Seravalli: Canucks now willing to retain 1mil on Boeser and that The Penguins are interested

[Dr Jan Itor]

Minnesota 2nd + whatever we can get back for Greenway (from a 3rd team) for $1m retained Boeser.

 

[CherryToke]

Who’s we? Definitely not you. Kapanen being shoved on the third line with awful usage and a useless Carter doesn’t really help anyone. Pens bottom 6 has some of the worst and hardest usage in the NHL for dz starts and it’s why it produces the way it does. Kapanen was largely miscast by Sullivan from the start. A player that played a ton of pk minutes in Toronto comes to the Pens and barely gets used there if at all.

There is no we, here. You don’t know how badly a lot have been used and Kapanen is definitely one of those players that will produce the moment he’s liberated from Sullivan and his moronic usage.

Imagine a coach that benched a young player for scoring a goal for almost an entire period just because. That’s Sullivan. Kapanen’s value is low because of that but he’s definitely a candidate of making this coaching staff look stupid the moment he’s gone and produces elsewhere.


After all JR and PA have done, you really think it’s much of a do-over? They already mistreated Boudreau, didn’t do anything to fix the defense issues in the summer and let go or moved any bottom 6 talent that were capable 2way players. There’s a reason not a single one of us pens fans were feeling sorry for losing PA and the soon to be fired but quit on the Pens JR.

Tocchet literally dunked on the team and their lack of defensive play, when you look at who he has, makes sense. I’m guessing PA is now looking to fix that after what Tocchet said and with OEL and Myers being albatrosses, the best they can do is try to get some bottom 6 forwards that can play D and PK. The Canucks are literally the 2nd worst defensive team and the PK is dead last at 65%, that’s freakishly bad. I can see that as a massive need.

Even the worst PK last year was 73%.

The worst PK since 2005-06 was 71% a few seasons ago. This is the first time a team could finish below 70% for their PK. I mean…yeah I can see PA wanting Blueger for one.

Worst Penalty Kill Percentage In NHL History By A Team In A Single Season | StatMuse

 

[Nakawick]

That offer could get you Boeser with no retention.

If we're retaining, there is a much higher cost that needs to be paid, especially as Kapanen and Blueger/Heinen hold 0 value to this team.

Why? What is Vancouver losing that makes Boeser “much higher cost”?

 

[Empoleon8771]

That offer could get you Boeser with no retention.

If we're retaining, there is a much higher cost that needs to be paid, especially as Kapanen and Blueger/Heinen hold 0 value to this team.

Boeser is unmovable with no retention. Hence why he hasn't been traded yet.

The Canucks would jump at the opportunity just to get his contract off the books.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Why? What is Vancouver losing that makes Boeser “much higher cost”?

Retention costs more, is this a foreign concept to you?

Boeser is unmovable with no retention. Hence why he hasn't been traded yet.

The Canucks would jump at the opportunity just to get his contract off the books.

With no retention sure, with retention the cost is higher, why wouldn't it be? and why would the canucks retain if there wasn't incentive to do so?

 

[mezcal]

I think he would be a good fit in Minnesota. Something around a 2nd? (As mentioned above)

 

[chethejet]

Pens have larger issues here a another top 6 RW is not the first move I make. Rakell and Rust are contractually here for years.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I think he would be a good fit in Minnesota. Something around a 2nd? (As mentioned above)

I think Friedman mentioned today that Minny is after Bertuzzi.

Though im not sure Detroit is trading Bertuzzi now after the hot streak theve been on and currently in the playoff hunt.

Anyways, if thats the type of player Minny is looking for then i dont think they are interested in Boeser.


I 100% fully expect Boeser to sign in Minny as a free agent in 2 years though to be closer to family.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I'm surprised the canucks thought they didn't need retention to trade boeser in the first place. That's pretty dumb.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I'm surprised the canucks thought they didn't need retention to trade boeser in the first place. That's pretty dumb.

 

[Nucker101]

I'm surprised the canucks thought they didn't need retention to trade boeser in the first place. That's pretty dumb.

It's just typical posturing. Canucks asked the Rags about Buchnevich a couple of years ago, Drury asked for Bo Horvat implying a sky high asking price, a week later he moved him for Sammy Blais and a 2nd.

 

[Nakawick]

Boeser is unmovable with no retention. Hence why he hasn't been traded yet.

The Canucks would jump at the opportunity just to get his contract off the books.

The

Retention costs more, is this a foreign concept to you?


With no retention sure, with retention the cost is higher, why wouldn't it be? and why would the canucks retain if there wasn't incentive to do so?

Boeser carries a risk that he flops or remains the player he has been the last while. No one is taking Boeser at 6.65.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Boeser is unmovable with no retention. Hence why he hasn't been traded yet.

That’s not true, they could take contract(s) back as well.

The Canucks would jump at the opportunity just to get his contract off the books.

Will be interesting to see what he’s ultimately moved for.

 

[Roksta]

Pickering sucks like the other Penguins D prospects who never amounts to anything

 

[Cogburn]

Why? What is Vancouver losing that makes Boeser “much higher cost”?

4.8 million in cap space over 3 years for one, and the loss of a retention slot for that time as well, for one.

A second and a cap dump(or two if they expire this year) is fine for Boeser, who is on the high side of acceptable as far as cap hit for production goes, but being asked to retain and taking two cap dumps back (one of whom is signed into next year) basically negates any draw backs to Boeser and his contract. You'd be paying full price a top 75 (#73 amongst all players) scorer over the last 5 years, in spite of games missed, if we're fitting him in for 5ish million for the Penguins convenience. Seriously, the guy edges out players like Laine and Rust and Hyman in this time frame, and is still treated like a damn cap dump.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

The

Boeser carries a risk that he flops or remains the player he has been the last while. No one is taking Boeser at 6.65.

Right now, at his worst he's a 50 point player, at full price we don't get anything more than a similar player and/or capdump, totally understand that.

With Retention though the circumstances change no? So how does the cost not go up if that happens?

 

[DeltaSwede]

If anyone is asking the Canucks to retain, would your team retain 1,5 or 2 mil on a 3 year contract for a 2nd round pick? No they wouldn't. Capspace comes at a premium price as we have seen plenty of times already to understand that it's a thing.

Canucks don't have to move Boeser so you're going to have to pony up more if you want him. This isn't the bargain bin at blockbuster.

Not difficult to figure out.

 

[Cogburn]

If anyone is asking the Canucks to retain, would your team retain 1,5 or 2 mil on a 3 year contract for a 2nd round pick? No they wouldn't. Capspace comes at a premium price as we have seen plenty of times already to understand that it's a thing.

Canucks don't have to move Boeser so you're going to have to pony up more if you want him. This isn't the bargain bin at blockbuster.

Not difficult to figure out.

Plus wingers and LD and bottom line players are things we have in great abundance. These positions being empty is not why the Canucks suck, and not positions that need a filler. They are the definition of useless to us. They would be cap dumps.

A UFA goalie, a stay at home RHD that can play minutes, or right handed centers that have a designated scoring or defensive role would change things, and add some kind of value to off loading salary. Your spare parts are probably exactly that to us too.

 

[Nakawick]

If anyone is asking the Canucks to retain, would your team retain 1,5 or 2 mil on a 3 year contract for a 2nd round pick? No they wouldn't. Capspace comes at a premium price as we have seen plenty of times already to understand that it's a thing.

Canucks don't have to move Boeser so you're going to have to pony up more if you want him. This isn't the bargain bin at blockbuster.

Not difficult to figure out.

I think your GM thinks differently about getting back a player like Kapanen than you do. There is plenty of risk with Boeser. He could be the second best forward for the rest of their careers.

 

[DeltaSwede]

I think your GM thinks differently about getting back a player like Kapanen than you do. There is plenty of risk with Boeser. He could be the second best forward for the rest of their careers.

I didn't even mention Kapanen in my post. Why are you talking about it like it's a foregone conclusion?

Highly doubt you can read minds but if you can.. kudos. That's bad ass.

 

[Ugene Magic]

If anyone is asking the Canucks to retain, would your team retain 1,5 or 2 mil on a 3 year contract for a 2nd round pick? No they wouldn't. Capspace comes at a premium price as we have seen plenty of times already to understand that it's a thing.

Canucks don't have to move Boeser so you're going to have to pony up more if you want him. This isn't the bargain bin at blockbuster.

Not difficult to figure out.

They are the one's pushing it adding retention. Nobody wants him for a premium, and it seems they are the one's trying to lure GM's back to the table. Should not the one's who handed out said contract not be also held accountable? I mean fare is fare. Nobody is looking to get him for free, they just don't want to pay for their mistake.

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

Would take that deal. from Van POV.

Boeser is a fantsatic buy low option for a team.

Dude had the worst 3ish years of his life while his Dad was slowly dying/died.

I dont think he has ever had an off-season where he can just focus on hockey.

IF he plays a full 82 , i dont doubt he could be a 30 goals 40 assist guy.

The guy broke his back and can't skate now. That's why.

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

Who plays the Ovechkin trigger spot on the PP for the Pens.

IMO this is where Boeser can be lethal, but the Canucks have moved him into the goal line position or front of the net for the PP.

Boeser has a fantastic one-timer and also great playmaking skills from that spot.

You clearly don't watch Boeser.

His one timer absolutely sucks and always has. He uses wrist shots exclusively to score. Maybe has scored 3 goals on a slap shot his entire NHL career.

And his playmaking is very mediocre.

He's a guy that needs to be around good players to produce 5 on 5 and leans on others to get him points on the powerplay. He's a powerplay specialist essentially at this point in his injury ridden career.

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

If anyone is asking the Canucks to retain, would your team retain 1,5 or 2 mil on a 3 year contract for a 2nd round pick? No they wouldn't. Capspace comes at a premium price as we have seen plenty of times already to understand that it's a thing.

Canucks don't have to move Boeser so you're going to have to pony up more if you want him. This isn't the bargain bin at blockbuster.

Not difficult to figure out.

Absolutely you would if it opened up 4 million aav over those 3 years. Come on, man. Think.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Absolutely you would if it opened up 4 million aav over those 3 years. Come on, man. Think.

At 4 million Boeser is no longer a capdump, his value increases actually, that's logic. Come on man. Think.