Confirmed with Link: Canadiens trade for Christian Dvorak for Cond. '22 1st (best but top 10 protected) + '24 2nd Part II
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Should have just traded the Mailloux pick and a better asset for Reinhart or Dvorak. That being said, given the situation, not that bad of a trade when Arizona had us by the balls.
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Coyotes would get the lower of the 2 top 10 picks.
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sheed36
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Yup I'm pretty sure since it's been discussed a few times already. If both picks were say 2nd and 8th the Habs would have the 2nd pick and the Coyotes the 8th pick.
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Yup! Regardless if they are both top 10 protected, the trade stipulates Yotes get the higher pick unless one or both 1st rounders are top 10.
If the picks are 8 and 17 Yotes get 17.
If the pics are 11 and 21, Yotes get 11.
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Grand Admiral Thrawn
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That’s not how you spell Coyotes
This could end up pretty ugly…
Worst case scenario MTL 1st will be 11-16OA while CAR 1st will be 25+OA (this is a pretty likely scenario in my opinion)
In this case with the big losses, MTL wastes another season in mediocrity while CAR makes a good run in the playoffs. Kotka with the right guidance and sheltering might develop into a good/great middle 6 center, meanwhile Dvorak only helps us getting out of top10 territory.
That would mean a disastrous summer centerwise:
In: Dvorak+3rd
Out: Danault+Kotka+2nd+ we lose 10-15 spots in the 1st round…
Worst case scenario MTL 1st will be 11-16OA while CAR 1st will be 25+OA (this is a pretty likely scenario in my opinion)
In this case with the big losses, MTL wastes another season in mediocrity while CAR makes a good run in the playoffs. Kotka with the right guidance and sheltering might develop into a good/great middle 6 center, meanwhile Dvorak only helps us getting out of top10 territory.
That would mean a disastrous summer centerwise:
In: Dvorak+3rd
Out: Danault+Kotka+2nd+ we lose 10-15 spots in the 1st round…
Can you explain me the logic behind the process of getting to that scenario?
I mean you decided to go there on yourself while you could've gone into a positive side...
Puzzling...
so basically we traded 1st + 2nd + KK for Dvorak
great deal
great deal
Great deal but your math or logic needs some work.so basically we traded 1st + 2nd + KK for Dvorak
great deal
the first time in MBs tenure he has traded away a first round pick, and its for a 30 point player 
Man, you have no idea what you're talking about. Just stopthe first time in MBs tenure he has traded away a first round pick, and its for a 30 point player
First I sas this could (and not that it 100% will) end up pretty ugly…
Second: Why I think that it has pretty fair probability? I think that by losing Weber, Danault, Tatar, Kotka and Perry (while not addressing the huge hole in our LHD-depth) our roster got worse (while I admit Hoffmann, Dvorak and Savard are nice additions, they wont make it up for me for the assets, we just lost) while facing a stronger div.
Right now i think Canes are quite a good team (Svech-Aho-Necas-Niederreiter-TT-Stepan-Staal + Kotka (and good/okay fringe players) in the forward section + Slavin-Skjei-Gardiner-Pesce-Cole-DeAngelo in D). For me they are a playoff team. They arent Tampa, who are pretty much a no-brainer for the PO, but they have a strong chance IMO.
Of course there’s a chance for the best outcome (Canes collapsing bad, so the Canes pick will end up even the 1st OA or so, while we make a good PO-run, so Zona end up with a late first, while Habs acquiring a lottery pick). For me the worse scenario is more likely.
I doubt that the Canes pick will be top10, so if we get the better pick, that might mean that we are a bottom10-caliber team (so we should have gone for a rebuild instead of trading a 1st+2nd for a mid6 C). In other cases we might lose several spots in the 1st round due to this trade.
And even if I ignore these speculations a mid-late 1st + a 2nd is a steep price for Dvorak
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The Canes get a 1st regardless. Even if it's in the Top-10.
The stipulation is simple;
If both picks fall between 11-30, we get the lower pick.
If any pick (or both) fall between 1-10, we get the higher pick.
Goalfield22
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so basically we traded 1st + 2nd + KK for Dvorak
great deal
No? We just traded a 2nd for a 3rd to upgrade on KK with Dvorak.
KK = 1st and 3rd
DV = 1st and 2nd
Goalfield22
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It's true. Go look at the Yotes board. They HATE this. Truly a debacle for them. We made out like bandits, though.
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the first time in MBs tenure he has traded away a first round pick, and its for a 30 point player
This is the first time in MB's tenure that he received a 1st for a 30 point player.
but that isnt an excuse to flush a first round pick down the toilet for another 30 point player,
why not put a better package together for something better?....you know, to try to actually improve the team?
isnt that what trades are supposed to accomplish?
Dvorak for KK isnt improving anything
Picaroon
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Or... KK never progresses, the 1st and 2nd picks don't pan out and Montreal ends up with the only NHL caliber player out of the whole thing. Just as likely a scenario as yours. In fact, probably more likely.
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