Proposal: Canadiens - Blues proposal

[De Montreal]

To the Canadiens:
Jake Allen (one more year at 4,35M$)
Vince Dunn (RFA)
2020 STL 5th round pick (150th overall ish)

To the Blues:
Victor Mete (RFA)
Charlie Lindgren (one more year at 700k)
2020 STL 2nd round pick (58th overall)
202 MTL 3rd round pick (70th overall)

This free up salary for the Blues to re-sign their captain. Victor Mete can probably be re-signed under 1,5 M$, while Vince Dunn is likely to ask north of 4 M$ even on a bridge contract. Substract Jake Allen enormous salary, and the Blues save almost 5M$ right there.

I like Victor Mete, but it doesnt seem like he will be able to play top-4 one day after all. He's still a good bottom pairing dman to have around. Vince Dunn fill a need on the left side for the Canadiens. They can have Dunn - Weber as a 1st pairing, Romanov - Petry on the 2nd, and Chiarot - Juulsen on the 3rd. That's solid.

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[stl76]

No thanks. We're still busy trying to fix our team by acquiring Cameron Hughes.

 

[RebuildinVan]

Montreal wants how much of their salary cap tied up in goalies?

 

[Flyer lurker]

Since it looks like NHL will be held in June, the 2020 picks trade wont happen. But say for argument sake change all picks into 2021.
If STL keeps Alex P. does this trade and moves Bozak it can be reasonable close to cap and its not the worst Dunn offer out there. I think STL can do better but not that much.
If STL is not signing Alex P. then STL slams phone quickly.

 

[De Montreal]

Montreal wants how much of their salary cap tied up in goalies?

well looking the past two seasons it seem like the answer is they didnt spend enough on goalie, cheap fixture like Niemi and Kinkaid cost the team games and maybe a playoff appearence

allen is a pretty decent backup, with only 1 year left on his contract so it's not a big deal for MTL

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Take Dunn and the 2nd out and its probably fair

 

[Llamamoto]

Take Dunn and the 2nd out and its probably fair

So Victor Mete, Charlie Lindgren, and a 3rd for Allen and a 5th? That's terrible value for the Habs.

 

[Beauterham]

This free up salary for the Blues to re-sign their captain. Victor Mete can probably be re-signed under 1,5 M$, while Vince Dunn is likely to ask north of 4 M$ even on a bridge contract. Substract Jake Allen enormous salary, and the Blues save almost 5M$ right there.

We've seen numerous iterations of this trade variant the last couple of weeks. You guys really want to trade Lindgren and Mete to us.

Dunn's agent can ask for all that he wants, but that doesn't mean he's going to get it?
No, but in all seriously, I really like Dunn and his upside, but I fail to see him getting a 4 million bridge contract. I think the Blues will try to give him the Sanford/Blais/Barbashev-special; a 2 year bridge deal worth 1.5 million a year. His agent will probably try to shoot higher, eventually with both parties ending up in the middle at 2-2,5 million. Dunn's TOI and usage isn't high enough yet to warrant a higher AAV, unless the Blues sign him to a much longer deal, which I don't see happening.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

So Victor Mete, Charlie Lindgren, and a 3rd for Allen and a 5th? That's terrible value for the Habs.

Better then the original offer. Allen is a strict upgrade on Lindgren and Mete is a #4 at best.

 

[Llamamoto]

Better then the original offer. Allen is a strict upgrade on Lindgren and Mete is a #4 at best.

A #4 at 21 years old. Allen's almost 30 and is badly overpaid. He has little to no value.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

A #4 at 21 years old. Allen's almost 30 and is badly overpaid. He has little to no value.

30 and badly overpaid? That's funny when the habs are the other team in the trade. He's an above average back up and a decent starter with only 1 bad year.

As for Mete, his ceiling is projected to be a #4, he's currently 3rd pair caliber

 

[Legend123]

30 and badly overpaid? That's funny when the habs are the other team in the trade. He's an above average back up and a decent starter with only 1 bad year.

Trash offer. Just stop

 

[Qwijibo]

Trading away a 21 year old top 4D (which is a an area of need, not of surplus) and a bunch of picks for an overpaid 30 yr old backup goalie is a move that a team that’s close to the cup makes. Montreal is resetting, trading youth for vets isn’t part of the strategy yet

 

[Em etah Eh]

Why is it always Jake Allen going back to the Habs as the cap dump? There are other teams that should have more need for a goaltender than them. If anybody wants to lessen the price of Dunn by taking on a contract, then make it Steen’s.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Why is it always Jake Allen going back to the Habs as the cap dump? There are other teams that should have more need for a goaltender than them. If anybody wants to lessen the price of Dunn by taking on a contract, then make it Steen’s.

Thats what i dont really get either, Allen is not a negative value contract.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Better then the original offer. Allen is a strict upgrade on Lindgren and Mete is a #4 at best.

Hi, there is this thing called the salary cap. It effects the value of a player since a player is also attached to the contract he has.

 

[Scintillating10]

To the Canadiens:
Jake Allen (one more year at 4,35M$)
Vince Dunn (RFA)
2020 STL 5th round pick (150th overall ish)

To the Blues:
Victor Mete (RFA)
Charlie Lindgren (one more year at 700k)
2020 STL 2nd round pick (58th overall)
202 MTL 3rd round pick (70th overall)

This free up salary for the Blues to re-sign their captain. Victor Mete can probably be re-signed under 1,5 M$, while Vince Dunn is likely to ask north of 4 M$ even on a bridge contract. Substract Jake Allen enormous salary, and the Blues save almost 5M$ right there.

I like Victor Mete, but it doesnt seem like he will be able to play top-4 one day after all. He's still a good bottom pairing dman to have around. Vince Dunn fill a need on the left side for the Canadiens. They can have Dunn - Weber as a 1st pairing, Romanov - Petry on the 2nd, and Chiarot - Juulsen on the 3rd. That's solid.

Too much salary going one way. For 4.1 of Mason, Habs got Armia, a 4th and a 7th round pick. Allen at 4.35 is a capdump. He is backup quality at this point in his career. Mete for Dunn Habs throw in a 4th round pick I would do though.

 

[Video Coach]

Dunn's agent can ask for all that he wants, but that doesn't mean he's going to get it?
No, but in all seriously, I really like Dunn and his upside, but I fail to see him getting a 4 million bridge contract. I think the Blues will try to give him the Sanford/Blais/Barbashev-special; a 2 year bridge deal worth 1.5 million a year. His agent will probably try to shoot higher, eventually with both parties ending up in the middle at 2-2,5 million. Dunn's TOI and usage isn't high enough yet to warrant a higher AAV, unless the Blues sign him to a much longer deal, which I don't see happening.

I think Brandon Carlo is a good comparable here. I see 2yrs at $2-3M per.

Trading away a 21 year old top 4D (which is a an area of need, not of surplus) and a bunch of picks for an overpaid 30 yr old backup goalie is a move that a team that’s close to the cup makes. Montreal is resetting, trading youth for vets isn’t part of the strategy yet

The idea for Montreal is to leverage cap space to make roster upgrades. Dunn in for Mete is a clear upgrade for the Habs. Mete has been good in spurts and has played almost exclusively in the top 4 5 on 5 but that's more been out of need. I don't see Mete as being a necessary part of this deal, it could easily be a different roster player. But the point is Montreal wouldn't view this as trading a young top 4 man for a 30 year old backup, they would view it as gaining a young top 4 d man by leveraging cap space.

Allen is overpaid for the role he plays, which makes him a likely candidate to be traded with St Louis needing space. Doesn't make him a cap dump, but clearly his salary doesn't meet his role anymore. Habs have the space to take him on for 1 year.

Taking salary out of the question, what is Allen worth on the open market in a trade? Very good backup capable of playing 30-40 games, he's probably worth something like a 2nd or 3rd. Taking cap hit into account he's worth less, though how much less is not clear.

The other thing you have to consider is what teams can take Allen on right now? There are a number of good to great goalies available on the open market this year so placing a backup at this salary may be difficult, that could affect the return as well.

 

[Groo]

Trash offer. Just stop

That's rather rich coming from a Habs fan

 

[ChuckLefley]

A #4 at 21 years old. Allen's almost 30 and is badly overpaid. He has little to no value.

Based on you saying he has “little to no value” I’m going to say that assessing goaltending is not your thing.

 

[Llamamoto]

Based on you saying he has “little to no value” I’m going to say that assessing goaltending is not your thing.

I'm going to say that assessing value isn't yours.

Allen's a really good backup, you can call him a 1b/2a kind of goalie, maybe a bit on the lower end of that.
The issue is his cap hit. He's nowhere near worth that money.

 

[HabsQC]

I don't know if this is the exact trade that would happen, but Habs should be all over trades like that (ala Armia).

Get a benefit (Dunn) to take on salary (Allen) I wouldnt give up anything of interest outside of picks though.

 

[SwivelSchwartz]

Montreal wants how much of their salary cap tied up in goalies?

For one year, to get a 23 y/o defenseman you plan on putting on your first pair? Sounds like a savvy move

 

[ChuckLefley]

I'm going to say that assessing value isn't yours.

Allen's a really good backup, you can call him a 1b/2a kind of goalie, maybe a bit on the lower end of that.
The issue is his cap hit. He's nowhere near worth that money.

So you claim he has little or no value, that change it to say it’s about his cap hit, after saying he is a really good backup 1b/2a.

be an adult, admit you were wrong and move on instead of moving goalposts.

 

[De Montreal]

So you claim he has little or no value, that change it to say it’s about his cap hit, after saying he is a really good backup 1b/2a.

be an adult, admit you were wrong and move on instead of moving goalposts.

Good backup doesn’t have lot of value. Especially not at this salary. Nothing outlandish with this claim.