News Article: Canadiens are betting the house on Marc Bergevin and Claude Julien

26Mats

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I don't think they're gambling much at all - this mediocrity is still profitable.

I think a full rebuild would be really betting the house. Fans WOULD NOT show up for a losing team 5 years in a row. That would be betting the house: that 5 years of losses would be re-couped by a competitive team in 5 years.
 
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I don't think they're gambling much at all - this mediocrity is still profitable.

I think a full rebuild would be really betting the house. Fans WOULD NOT show up for a losing team 5 years in a row. That would be betting the house: that 5 years of losses would be re-couped by a competitive team in 5 years.

They're still showing up for 4 years of losing in a row, what makes you think another year would change that
 

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I don't think they're gambling much at all - this mediocrity is still profitable.

I think a full rebuild would be really betting the house. Fans WOULD NOT show up for a losing team 5 years in a row. That would be betting the house: that 5 years of losses would be re-couped by a competitive team in 5 years.

Agreed, not to mention that while I'm sure attendance would decrease, I think the hope for the future and a clear direction would allow some to embrace the rebuild and go to games to watch the young kids.

Compare that to now where I think what people are most upset about is the absence of any sort of plan or even seemingly logic when looking ahead over the next few years.

We might find that more people will show up to watch a truly rebuilding team than would show up to watch a middling team with no real direction.
 

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I don't think they're gambling much at all - this mediocrity is still profitable.

I think a full rebuild would be really betting the house. Fans WOULD NOT show up for a losing team 5 years in a row. That would be betting the house: that 5 years of losses would be re-couped by a competitive team in 5 years.
That's simply wrong. You can't take 5 years to rebuild anymore. Good players get paid big bucks after their ELC. See what happened to the Oilers and Leafs. They got into cap hell BEFORE they won anything.
 

26Mats

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They're still showing up for 4 years of losing in a row, what makes you think another year would change that

they showed up last year because the team was competitive. We were doing well early on and that kept us in the race until recently.

A real rebuild means not having the .500 record that you call losing. It means being about .333. We haven't seen what fans will do with that for 1 year - let alone 5 years in a row.

Look much worse the team is without Tatar. Imagine no Tatar and Petry, or no Tatar, Petry, Weber, and Price.
 

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That's simply wrong. You can't take 5 years to rebuild anymore. Good players get paid big bucks after their ELC. See what happened to the Oilers and Leafs. They got into cap hell BEFORE they won anything.

sorry what part is wrong?
 

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Basically MB and CJ are in it together. If the Habs miss the playoffs again in 20-21, if anyone is going to be the scapegoat both are going to suffer the fate together.
 

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I don't think they're gambling much at all - this mediocrity is still profitable.

I think a full rebuild would be really betting the house. Fans WOULD NOT show up for a losing team 5 years in a row. That would be betting the house: that 5 years of losses would be re-couped by a competitive team in 5 years.
Habs are bout to miss the PO for the 4th time in 5 years and yet...
 

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Habs are bout to miss the PO for the 4th time in 5 years and yet...

Thank you for pointing that out I wasn't aware of that.

I'm talking about being at the very bottom of the standings, as opposed to a bubble team. I didn't think that would go way over so many peoples' heads.
 

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Mol$on is not betting on these clowns, he is stuck with them, and too cheap to fire them, and hire 2 real replacements who can restart the entire organization.

The real crux here is, Geoff needs to replace himself, before anything meaningful will really happen to the Habs.

It smells really bad in Montreal folks, and no one wants to take the garbage out.......it ain't going away .
 

ECWHSWI

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Thank you for pointing that out I wasn't aware of that.

I'm talking about being at the very bottom of the standings, as opposed to a bubble team. I didn't think that would go way over so many peoples' heads.
drafted 3rd overall last season, the Habs have been a bubble team for 20 games this season...


besides, it's a myth... there was no uproars when Berrgevin announced a reset, and there was no uproars either when Molson later on announced it would probably take 3 to 5 years to be competitive...
 

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drafted 3rd overall last season, the Habs have been a bubble team for 20 games this season...


besides, it's a myth... there was no uproars when Berrgevin announced a reset, and there was no uproars either when Molson later on announced it would probably take 3 to 5 years to be competitive...
It may not seem like there is no financial effect but hardly anyone buys Habs stuff anymore, and the waiting list for season tickets evaporated in 1 year after the 2017-18 season.
 

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That's simply wrong. You can't take 5 years to rebuild anymore. Good players get paid big bucks after their ELC. See what happened to the Oilers and Leafs. They got into cap hell BEFORE they won anything.

of course you can. building through the draft is, unquestionably, the most reliable way to build a winner. 2 or 3 years of good drafting with high picks, then 2 or 3 years for them to develop.

the Rangers are a couple years in and looking good. They're already in the playoff hunt.

the Leafs had the timeline right but made a couple mistakes and kept running into the Bruins. Perhaps instead of paying Nylander or Tavares, they should have added defense. The Oilers have made mistakes too. Pulju, Larsson.
 

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of course you can. building through the draft is, unquestionably, the most reliable way to build a winner. 2 or 3 years of good drafting with high picks, then 2 or 3 years for them to develop.

the Rangers are a couple years in and looking good. They're already in the playoff hunt.

the Leafs had the timeline right but made a couple mistakes and kept running into the Bruins. Perhaps instead of paying Nylander or Tavares, they should have added defense. The Oilers have made mistakes too. Pulju, Larsson.

MB has done jack squat
 

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It may not seem like there is no financial effect but hardly anyone buys Habs stuff anymore, and the waiting list for season tickets evaporated in 1 year after the 2017-18 season.

agreed. i think disinterest can snowball pretty quickly.

it starts when the sellout streak ends. then the secondary market becomes cheaper. next thing you notice is empty seats. then it becomes less of an "event" to go see a game, no longer a cool thing to do. all of a sudden it starts getting difficult to win back the fan base.
 
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