AeroFishOne
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Can Ward's future
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AeroFishOne
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Unsustainable
Seth Jarvis has Big Kahunas
Quacktastic
Ooh!
IMO we should trade him this deadline for whatever we can get while retaining as little salary as possible. This helps our rebuild in several ways:
1) Should hopefully help tank the rest of the season since he's actually playing well enough to keep us in games. Aside from October his play has shown that he might have some value as a starter for another team, or perhaps a veteran insurance goalie for a playoff team.
2) Any picks/prospects we can get are more valuable in the long run than Cam is (see below)
3) Gives Khudobin more ice time to prepare to be our starter going forward (also see below) and with this we will hopefully move Altshuller up to the AHL to start getting some games in there. It would certainly be nice to have him as competition for Khudobin in a few years.
4) We can use the $6.8M of Cam's salary next year on some other upgrade to make us a better team, hopefully a playoff team.
I love Cam, but I just question how valuable he will be to the Canes going forward. Will he be this good again next year or will he go back to how bad he was last year? Either way he's not getting any younger and he will likely continue to wear and tear considering how overplayed he's been in the past. Plus we have a ton of cap space tied up between him and Khudobin that would be better spent upgrading another position.
The only problem with this strategy is that if Khudobin doesn't end up playing well as a starter then we are pretty screwed. But if that's the case he'll be a FA soon and we can potentially go after another goalie.
1) Should hopefully help tank the rest of the season since he's actually playing well enough to keep us in games. Aside from October his play has shown that he might have some value as a starter for another team, or perhaps a veteran insurance goalie for a playoff team.
2) Any picks/prospects we can get are more valuable in the long run than Cam is (see below)
3) Gives Khudobin more ice time to prepare to be our starter going forward (also see below) and with this we will hopefully move Altshuller up to the AHL to start getting some games in there. It would certainly be nice to have him as competition for Khudobin in a few years.
4) We can use the $6.8M of Cam's salary next year on some other upgrade to make us a better team, hopefully a playoff team.
I love Cam, but I just question how valuable he will be to the Canes going forward. Will he be this good again next year or will he go back to how bad he was last year? Either way he's not getting any younger and he will likely continue to wear and tear considering how overplayed he's been in the past. Plus we have a ton of cap space tied up between him and Khudobin that would be better spent upgrading another position.
The only problem with this strategy is that if Khudobin doesn't end up playing well as a starter then we are pretty screwed. But if that's the case he'll be a FA soon and we can potentially go after another goalie.
rocky7
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I would be very surprised to see Francis move Ward if he continues to play well even if some team offers a decent deal at the dead line. Only way would be if Ward wants out, which I can't see happening either.
Same goes for EStaal as well IME.
Same goes for EStaal as well IME.
Anton Babchuk
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The problem is that every other team is thinking the exact same things about him.
cptjeff
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Cam is playing like an elite goalie at the moment. Elite goalies do not grow on trees, and the goalie is the single most important player on a team, especially one whose defense is questionable year in and year out.
When he was playing poorly and his salary was a burden, it was worth considering. He is no longer playing poorly, we are getting what we're paying for. And we need that as part of this team.
Trading an elite goalie who wants to play for your team is just not something that ever happens in hockey. There's a reason for that.
When he was playing poorly and his salary was a burden, it was worth considering. He is no longer playing poorly, we are getting what we're paying for. And we need that as part of this team.
Trading an elite goalie who wants to play for your team is just not something that ever happens in hockey. There's a reason for that.
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I doubt we trade him. We'll keep him until his contract runs out, then sign him to a new one (at a cheap price, hopefully)
My Special Purpose
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I doubt that we trade him, as well. Mostly because I'm not even sure Ron Francis is alive. Plus, we never trade anyone, especially when the time is right to trade them.
Does anyone believe Cam Ward can a) keep up this level of play and b) stay healthy for another year and a half? I don't. I'm sure our management does, though. So he'll stay. And he'll probably get a new contract in two summers. It's what we do. This organization just doesn't seem to understand the concept of the "small sample size" very well.
A smarter organization sees the big picture -- that Cam is a *huge* injury risk and hasn't played this well in nine years -- and sees it as a sell-high opportunity. Honestly, if the story is true that we'd have had to trade our first-rounder to dump Cam's contract this past summer, and we can now get out from under the contract for free, or even get an asset in return? I'd like to hear an explanation as to why we haven't pulled the trigger yet.
I already know how this will turn out, just like we all know how everything is going to turn out when this franchise is involved. Cam will get hurt, or start giving up a softie-a-night, and his value will drop through the floor again, and we'll go into the offseason wondering if we're going to buy him out. Again.
Does anyone believe Cam Ward can a) keep up this level of play and b) stay healthy for another year and a half? I don't. I'm sure our management does, though. So he'll stay. And he'll probably get a new contract in two summers. It's what we do. This organization just doesn't seem to understand the concept of the "small sample size" very well.
A smarter organization sees the big picture -- that Cam is a *huge* injury risk and hasn't played this well in nine years -- and sees it as a sell-high opportunity. Honestly, if the story is true that we'd have had to trade our first-rounder to dump Cam's contract this past summer, and we can now get out from under the contract for free, or even get an asset in return? I'd like to hear an explanation as to why we haven't pulled the trigger yet.
I already know how this will turn out, just like we all know how everything is going to turn out when this franchise is involved. Cam will get hurt, or start giving up a softie-a-night, and his value will drop through the floor again, and we'll go into the offseason wondering if we're going to buy him out. Again.
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Or the past few years were simply the result of some bad luck and this year is the Cam that was always there, but was hampered by injury troubles and/or a pisspoor defense.
Man, even when he's proving doubters wrong, he's still being shoved out the door.
Man, even when he's proving doubters wrong, he's still being shoved out the door.
My Special Purpose
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Or the past few years were simply the result of some bad luck and this year is the Cam that was always there, but was hampered by injury troubles and/or a pisspoor defense.
Man, even when he's proving doubters wrong, he's still being shoved out the door.
It's this kind of thinking that got us into this mess in the first place.
We like our group.
Anton Babchuk
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so basically we should never trade players when they are playing well. only when they suck. this is a player that couldn't even be dumped for future considerations last summer and now he's untouchable. okay.
as totalkev laid out, i think there's considerable risk to hanging onto ward *if* there is indeed a market for him right now. (which i'm not entirely sure there is). i think there's a very real possibility that either (1) ward goes back to being bad/injured or (2) ward walks in 2016 anyway after playing a decade in a dumpster fire organization.
ward's sv% is currently .009 better than khudobin's. his GAA is .18 better. he makes more than $4M more. take from that whatever you want.
as totalkev laid out, i think there's considerable risk to hanging onto ward *if* there is indeed a market for him right now. (which i'm not entirely sure there is). i think there's a very real possibility that either (1) ward goes back to being bad/injured or (2) ward walks in 2016 anyway after playing a decade in a dumpster fire organization.
ward's sv% is currently .009 better than khudobin's. his GAA is .18 better. he makes more than $4M more. take from that whatever you want.
Carolinas Identity*
I'm a bad troll...
Ward + Tlusty + 2nd for Eberle + Scrivens + some random contract to make things even out.
Eric//Jordan//Semin
Skinner//McEichel//Lindholm
Gerbe//Rask//Eberle
Terry//McClemment//Dwyer
Boychuk
???//Faulk
Marc//Hainsey
Jordan//Murphy
Bellemore
Khudobin
Scrivens
Profit?
Eric//Jordan//Semin
Skinner//McEichel//Lindholm
Gerbe//Rask//Eberle
Terry//McClemment//Dwyer
Boychuk
???//Faulk
Marc//Hainsey
Jordan//Murphy
Bellemore
Khudobin
Scrivens
Profit?
RodTheBawd
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The smart thing to do is trade him. I'd sign him for 3 yrs at a declining $4.5-$3.5M.
And I personally enjoy the irony of someone talking about Ward's current play being a small sample size, while implying that Dobby is playing just as well as Ward and can be the starter going forward.
And I personally enjoy the irony of someone talking about Ward's current play being a small sample size, while implying that Dobby is playing just as well as Ward and can be the starter going forward.
the halleJOKEL
strong as brickwall
Trade him while his value is high. Someone will want him come the trade deadline. The question is: Will Ward agree to it?
If you are proposing they trade Ward; what year do you expect the team to be a viable contender and who are the goalies.
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Boom Boom Apathy
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If Sekera walks, I doubt it's because we "let him". I suspect he'll walk because he's in his prime and doesn't want to play for a team with little to no chance of making the playoffs, as well as he can cash in anywhere.
If Sekera is traded for an appropriate return and Staal is signed, what measures will you take then?
marc staal is not good at hockey and i am warning you all right now that if that signing happens it will be a complete disaster.
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