wgknestrick
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Can they: yes
Will they: no
I'd like to think they can but I don't think two players solve our entire bottom six issues as we still have 4 very crappy possession players playing with them.
But they certainly do make it leaps better than it was.
Either Glass needs to sit ala last year, or else DB needs to only use the 4th line sparingly. I don't see either happening.
I know we're not exactly a moneyball type franchise with DB at the helm, but at some point someone has to look at stats like this.
Well, that's what my response was aimed at.
Those two players (Goc and Stempniak) SHOULD have helped our depth by replacing the two-worst players on the team (two of Pyatt, Glass, Adams).
That would have drastically changed the look of the team. Just for example, last night would have been:
Kunitz - Crosby - Stempniak
Jokinen - Malkin - Neal
Gibbons - Goc - Sutter (however you want these guys to line up)
Glass - Vitale - Engelland (?)
And then after Bennett came back
Kunitz - Crosby - Stempniak
Bennett - Malkin - Neal
Jokinen - Goc - Sutter
Gibbons/Glass - Vitale - Engelland
I think the team looks completely different. But that will never happen, so there's no way these acquisitions will have the impact they should.
Glass has been fine, Adams needs to sit,
we still have 4 very crappy possession players playing with them.
Well, that's what my response was aimed at.
Those two players (Goc and Stempniak) SHOULD have helped our depth by replacing the two-worst players on the team (two of Pyatt, Glass, Adams).
That would have drastically changed the look of the team. Just for example, last night would have been:
Kunitz - Crosby - Stempniak
Jokinen - Malkin - Neal
Gibbons - Goc - Sutter (however you want these guys to line up)
Glass - Vitale - Engelland (?)
And then after Bennett came back
Kunitz - Crosby - Stempniak
Bennett - Malkin - Neal
Jokinen - Goc - Sutter
Gibbons/Glass - Vitale - Engelland
I think the team looks completely different. But that will never happen, so there's no way these acquisitions will have the impact they should.
Ideally we'd have what you got there, yeah.
I'd say this is our likely setup when Beau gets healthy:
Kunitz-Sid-Stemper
Jokinen-Malkin-Neal
Pyatt-Sutter-Bennett
Glass-Goc-Adams
Which is at least a tolerably decent bottom six despite the massive suckitude of Pyatt and Gladams. But you're right that it would look a helluva lot better with Vitale and Gibbons in there.
What's MOST sad about all of this IMO, is that we had this same issue/discussion last year...that no matter WHO was brought in at the deadline, this board's speculation was that the people who would lose ice time would NOT be the ones who needed to -- and thus the new acquisitions wouldn't help us ANYWHERE NEAR as much they otherwise could have...
That speculation turned out to be correct, both on the offensive and defensive side...
And now, one year later, and here we are again...with the exact same issues/concerns...
Glass is awful too, and they have sat him in the past, so there may be more hope there.
This idea that Glass is having a good year or is useful is not backed up by stats or by watching him struggle out there. Lots of guys can hit. You need to find a guy who can do a few more things at an NHL level if you want to contend.
I'll go one better.
Kunitz, Crosby, Stempniak
Jokinen, Malkin, Neal
Bennett, Sutter, Gibbons
Glass, Goc, Pyatt
Vitale/Adams/Engelland
Pyatt brings the size factor on the 4th line and he and Engelland can be there when they need that. But if they face a speedy team put Vitale on Goc's RW.
I don't mind Glass as our 12th forward. He is at least physical and a warrior blocking shots. He has an extremely limited skill set though and that's why he needs to be no more than the 12th forward and very insulated by good linemates. Craig Adams does not fit the bill. Two offensive liabilities like that shouldn't be playing on the same line and since neither Glass or Adams should be playing on a higher line, Adams should be sitting in the press box.
KUNITZ-CROSBY-STEMPNIAK
JOK/BEAU-MALKIN-NEAL
BEAU/JOK-GOC-SUTTER
HARRY Z-VITALE-ENGELLAND/GLASS
is what I would run cone playoff time. Adams sits and is behind Gibbons and Megna ideally.