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So are you just wasting everyone's time here, or honestly missing the entire point?
So are you just wasting everyone's time here, or honestly missing the entire point?
Which is why they disallowed the goal because the play should have been blown dead due to Ward's strap breaking.
He had to remove it for safety reasons. Hence the rules that are cited in this thread do not apply.
All goalies are trained to remove their mask when a strap comes loose because it impairs their vision.
Oh why is that? I'm not aware of this exception to rule 9.5
Please stop pretending like there's zero interpretation required when "in the act of blowing the whistle" is in the rulebook elsewhere. Referee sees strap break, doesn't see the puck anywhere near the crease (IE, he rules there is no imminent chance) and blows play dead. Why this thread is now at 10 pages I have no idea.
Please stop pretending like there's zero interpretation required when "in the act of blowing the whistle" is in the rulebook elsewhere. Referee sees strap break, doesn't see the puck anywhere near the crease (IE, he rules there is no imminent chance) and blows play dead. Why this thread is now at 10 pages I have no idea.
Because a good goal was denied. His team did not have possession and a goal was scored (so yea there was a scoring chance) ref is wrong here
Because a good goal was denied. His team did not have possession and a goal was scored (so yea there was a scoring chance) ref is wrong here
Well the ref didn't blow the play dead until the puck was in the net, that's also part of the problem. It's not like the whistle blew and then the Rangers shot the puck, or even that the whistle was blown when the puck was in the air. The ref just waived off the goal after it happened with no whistle before that.
I'm not really totally dedicated to the "it's a terrible call should have been a goal" camp, but I do think there's an unofficial set of rules regarding goaltenders and their masks that the refs use and don't really pay attention to the ones in the books. They should either change the rules to reflect how the refs call it or the refs should call the rules as they are in the book, that's about it.
Please stop pretending like there's zero interpretation required when "in the act of blowing the whistle" is in the rulebook elsewhere. Referee sees strap break, doesn't see the puck anywhere near the crease (IE, he rules there is no imminent chance) and blows play dead. Why this thread is now at 10 pages I have no idea.
Because a good goal was denied. His team did not have possession and a goal was scored (so yea there was a scoring chance) ref is wrong here
Well the ref didn't blow the play dead until the puck was in the net, that's also part of the problem. It's not like the whistle blew and then the Rangers shot the puck, or even that the whistle was blown when the puck was in the air. The ref just waived off the goal after it happened with no whistle before that.
I'm not really totally dedicated to the "it's a terrible call should have been a goal" camp, but I do think there's an unofficial set of rules regarding goaltenders and their masks that the refs use and don't really pay attention to the ones in the books. They should either change the rules to reflect how the refs call it or the refs should call the rules as they are in the book, that's about it.
Why is it so hard to say "yeah, we caught a break there: that goal should have counted"? It was an imminent scoring chance and the ref ****ed up. Shrug, laugh, and move on. Don't make up interpretations that clearly aren't in the rulebook to make it seem honorable. No one is accusing Ward of doing anything nefarious - his mask was clearly loose - but saying the goal shouldn't have counted because the ref noticed a broken strap is downright stupid.
Why is it so hard to accept that not everything is black and white?
How is this a good rule for players safety if i may ask?...
I mean, lets say hes strap breaks, so he takes of hes mask?
what if that shot was high? he get shot right in the head?
Would've looked ridicilous, Imagine that gif and he get shot right in the face instead? Then all of the sudden everyone would say... What a stupid ****ing rule...
Because a good goal was denied. His team did not have possession and a goal was scored (so yea there was a scoring chance) ref is wrong here
And by that point, when the ref waived the goal off, the shot was already heading into the net. There's no proof he was checking on his mask. If he was concerned then, he should've blown the whistle right then and there. It was a good 5 seconds or so after that until he waved his hands emphatically and blew the whistle, and by that point, the puck was already heading into the net and he only did so once Ward threw off his mask.
Argue what you want, there's no way for the ref to know whether or not the Rangers had the puck at that point as he was staring at the goalie and everything around it and ignoring the play up the ice. And how would the ref know his strap broke? You're acting like his mask cracked in half and it was blatantly obvious.
To me, it seems more than likely the ref either didn't know the rules or didn't care about the rules at that point. To me, that's a major issue.
Because it was a good 5 seconds or so until he blew the whistle, which just happened to be as soon as Ward threw his mask off. It seems more like he was staring at hte play at the net to check for a penalty, didn't see one, and only once he saw Ward throw off his mask did he blow his whistle and waive the goal off, but only after the shot was taken and going into the net.
To me, it seems like a ref who didn't know the rules or disregarded them in favor of player safety.
And the ref in this case is wrong, and this year hte league has done a good job calling goals that the ref blew dead, as the league deemed the call should've been a goal and hte ref prematurely blew the whistle or blew the whistle when it shouldn't have been.
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Oh why is that? I'm not aware of this exception to rule 9.5
Why is it so hard to accept that not everything is black and white?