Proposal: Calvin de Haan (UFA next year) for our 2018 2nd?
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EnglishJet
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I'd do this so quickly, before the Islanders realized what they'd done! haha But I also agree that it'd cost more than a second to get him.
NYI have a massive defense problem and wavier risk on at least one good d-man.
Maybe 2nd & 4th
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garret9
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Don't think you get anywhere near de Hann with a 2nd. NYI just paid a ransom that included a 1st and 2nd (2019) to keep their roster together at the XD. They need to win now with Tavares also a pending UFA.
Not much different than someone offering us picks for Little because he is a pending UFA. No interest to a team needing to win now.
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Morrissey can go to the Moose but reality is this trade will never happen. Morrissey will not be in the PB. He will be playing big minutes every night (if healthy)
There is currently no place for DeHaan on the roster unless Enstrom is moved or we get an injury.
DudeWhereIsMakar
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Islanders are probably going to be buyers this season. They want to try and keep Tavares on the Island.
It's hard to imagine how the Islanders could become a real contender this season.
I think their short to medium term fate was sealed with a string of terrible high draft picks...
Strome (#5 in 2011)
Reinhart (#4 in 2012)
Dal Colle (#5 in 2014)
Imagine that franchise if they had just taken player taken after them by the Jets...
Scheifele (2011)
Trouba (2012)
Ehlers (2014)
That would be an entirely different franchise.
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There is a similarity there to the Oilers lottery picks. The Oil took the consensus #1 in every case. Some were debated at the time (Yak) but I think most were not.
Strome (#5 in 2011) Now is Eberle
Reinhart (#4 in 2012) Now is Barzal & Beauvillier
Dal Colle (#5 in 2014) Developing in the AHL. Looks promising but a little disappointing for a #5OA.
Jets don't always take the "consensus pick", and that's sometimes the best option.
In any case....
Scheifele >> Eberle
Trouba >> Barzal / Beauvillier
Ehlers >> Dal Colle
The Isles bungled those drafts. The Oilers bailed them out with Reinhart, but Trouba would still be much more valuable than Barzal and Beauvillier to the Islanders this season.
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Jets don't always take the "consensus pick", and that's sometimes the best option.
In any case....
Scheifele >> Eberle
Trouba >> Barzal / Beauvillier
Ehlers >> Dal Colle
The Isles bungled those drafts. The Oilers bailed them out with Reinhart, but Trouba would still be much more valuable than Barzal and Beauvillier to the Islanders this season.
I agree with the bolded. Is it fair to say they bungled the drafts because better players went later though? That is almost always the case for almost all teams if you cherry pick.
If the Isles had simply taken the player taken after the one they took instead it would be:
Strome (#5 in 2011) Now would be Zibanejad
Reinhart (#4 in 2012) Now would be Rielly
Dal Colle (#5 in 2014) Now would be Virtanen (OK, skip another - Fleury
Zib is better than Strome. Not sure he is better than Eberle. Give him that for being a C but it is fairly close. Actually I'm still waiting to see what Strome does with the Oil. Might surprise.
Rielly is much better than Reinhart but is he better than Barzal & Beauvillier?
Dal Colle still probably turns out better than Virtanen or even Fleury.
The only one I would call a bungle was Reinhart. He was overrated and their scouts should have seen that. Yes, the Oil bailed them out.
What does that say about the Oilers scouts?Not disagreeing that the Isles missed opportunity but I think you are being a little harsh.
I also think you are being a little quick to count them out. They still have a pretty strong roster. They have a bit of a ? in goal. Their forward group is deep. Their D corps is very good, top to bottom.
Their problems are signing Tavares and CDH for next year but they will make the playoffs this year. I think they are better behind the bench.
I agree with the bolded. Is it fair to say they bungled the drafts because better players went later though? That is almost always the case for almost all teams if you cherry pick.
If the Isles had simply taken the player taken after the one they took instead it would be:
Strome (#5 in 2011) Now would be Zibanejad
Reinhart (#4 in 2012) Now would be Rielly
Dal Colle (#5 in 2014) Now would be Virtanen (OK, skip another - Fleury
Zib is better than Strome. Not sure he is better than Eberle. Give him that for being a C but it is fairly close. Actually I'm still waiting to see what Strome does with the Oil. Might surprise.
Rielly is much better than Reinhart but is he better than Barzal & Beauvillier?
Dal Colle still probably turns out better than Virtanen or even Fleury.
The only one I would call a bungle was Reinhart. He was overrated and their scouts should have seen that. Yes, the Oil bailed them out.
Not disagreeing that the Isles missed opportunity but I think you are being a little harsh.
I also think you are being a little quick to count them out. They still have a pretty strong roster. They have a bit of a ? in goal. Their forward group is deep. Their D corps is very good, top to bottom.
Their problems are signing Tavares and CDH for next year but they will make the playoffs this year. I think they are better behind the bench.
I would be livid if the Jets bungled those critical drafts like the Isles did, and so would the rest of the HFJets board. You can miss occasionally, but it shouldn't be on a top-5 pick. You can't afford to miss top picks repeatedly. The Barzal trade / draft was a nice save, but that franchise is looking into the abyss. Their franchise C and a top D are both going to be UFAs, and cost a ton to re-sign.
I don't see the quality you do in their roster. The forwards are okay, but the depth is nothing to write home about. The Ladd contract is an albatross. The D is fine, but not top-end. I think they have enough to make the playoffs, but I think it's improbable that they could go on any sort of playoff run.
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Jester9881
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The Islanders have finished ahead of Winnipeg in 4 of the past 5 seasons, making the playoffs 3 times and getting to the second round once.
Calvin de Haan will not be traded unless the Islanders are way out of it... and even then, someone will offer more than a middling 2nd rounder for him.
CaptainChef
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Geez, now thats what you can call poor drafting. Not that any of those picks by NYI were off the boards bad, but that almost rivals Edm for high picks going sour. And then we come up several picks later & pick up the cream
Going forward, the Jets are in much better situation, and the Isles don't have as much to build around. They've mostly squandered the best years of a franchise talent.
Jester9881
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Time will tell, history has shown otherwise to this point. Good luck on the coming season.
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We'll see. I think they need a rebound from Ladd. Don't know if that will come or not. Without it their F's are deep but not too strong after JT. I really like their D, even without Hamonic. Their goalies could be good, or not. If they get the goaltending they should be good this year. Next year is a different story. I don't like them near as much without Tavares and CDH.
DudeWhereIsMakar
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I just think the Islanders are going to have a good season next year to the point everyone is convinced that they're a promising team. This seasons 2015-16 Florida Panthers.
