Calm and Collected. Stuart Percy

[7even]

Honestly I didnt like the pick then and I still dont like it now. I definitely think he has a small ceiling, but I mean he doesn't bring an extra dimension to his game to make him standout. Gardiner has great speed and skill, as does morgan, and with dion, gunnar, franson being locks pretty much, it is unlikely that he will play. What scares me a bit is that he was even scratched in his time with the marlies. In my opinion, I would of liked Danault, but all we can do now is watch i guess.

edit: I MUCH MUCH MUCH rather of taken Ty Rattie

Which is weird for a 20 year old junior defenseman, right?

 

[Man Bear Pig]

You need these guys in your system. Maybe people haven't been paying attention but this team lacks guys who play like Percy. It was a late first round pick with second pairing potential, what exactly is the problem? trying to hit a homerun with every pick is absolutely foolish and I'm sure the same people who think we should have drafted someone else will be the first to ask why we drafted that homerun type pick in the first place.

 

[Warden of the North]

Yep, we have no use for a smart, steady, no panic defenseman when we're trying to hold a lead and the other team has pulled the goalie.

None at all

 

[All_blueandwhite]

Look at the impact Hjalmarsson has had in Chicago this year + the playoffs, and that's what you're getting with Percy. No nonsense, smart play, and can eat up 20 minutes a night.

 

[613Leafer]

Look at the impact Hjalmarsson has had in Chicago this year + the playoffs, and that's what you're getting with Percy. No nonsense, smart play, and can eat up 20 minutes a night.

Exactly. There are plenty of VERY key players to different teams around the league in the mold of Percy. Hamhuis is that type of player, Seidenberg, Hjalmarsson like you mentioned, etc. Im not saying Percy will become as good as those guys, but that is his potential, and his development so far and stints in the AHL have looked promising.

I like the Percy pick quite a bit more than the Biggs pick. Well at least considering we had to trade up to get Biggs, I would have preferred the alternative of picking twice.

 

[Hurt]

I guess the worst you can really say about him is he's an incredibly boring prospect. The true value of these smart, good soldier type defensemen is when they're fully developed, and you get one at a reasonable price on the market. Developing one is a pretty thankless and time consuming, and the payoff is "who cares?"

Sure, you might have a Carl Gunnarsson on your hands one day, but you risk the possibility of those Jurco, Rattie, Jenner type prospects developing a lot faster and making way bigger impacts. And they're stocking up on those Granberg, Nilsson, Loov with those late picks anyway. Is Percy that much better than those guys? Is Percy better than a Matt Finn? Maybe down the road you try to trade a Percy to get a Jenner. But I bet the Jackets aren't willing to make that swap.

In summary, low upside, long development cycle, huge organizational log jam of defensemen. Not impressed.

Look at Boston's defense. After Chara and maybe Seidenberg, do you see a bunch of flashy, high priced guys? No. You see guys like Ference, Boychuk, Mcquaid. Defense wins championships and championships are built around steady D-men.

 

[613Leafer]

Look at Boston's defense. After Chara and maybe Seidenberg, do you see a bunch of flashy, high priced guys? No. You see guys like Ference, Boychuk, Mcquaid. Defense wins championships and championships are built around steady D-men.

Yep. If it werent for our incredible lack of depth in terms of Right-Handed defencemen, id almost say we should sell Franson while his value is at an all-time high.

He has decent offence, but I think for the longterm, Phaneuf, Gardiner, and Rielly will be our PMD and all have better offensive skills than Franson.

In terms of defensive play? Franson did improve this year, but he's still slow and still doesnt read plays as well as he should. In his place, Id prefer to just have a solid defensive guy with less offensive skills, because realistically we dont need his offensive skills.

The problem though is that after him, our top RHD signed for next season are Komi and Holzer... With the great pending UFAs Kostka and O'Byrne.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I guess the worst you can really say about him is he's an incredibly boring prospect. The true value of these smart, good soldier type defensemen is when they're fully developed, and you get one at a reasonable price on the market. Developing one is a pretty thankless and time consuming, and the payoff is "who cares?"

Sure, you might have a Carl Gunnarsson on your hands one day, but you risk the possibility of those Jurco, Rattie, Jenner type prospects developing a lot faster and making way bigger impacts. And they're stocking up on those Granberg, Nilsson, Loov with those late picks anyway. Is Percy that much better than those guys? Is Percy better than a Matt Finn? Maybe down the road you try to trade a Percy to get a Jenner. But I bet the Jackets aren't willing to make that swap.

In summary, low upside, long development cycle, huge organizational log jam of defensemen. Not impressed.

Matt Finn was selected after we had Percy. Not sure we could have passed on Percy with the assumption we'd land Finn the following year? Or are you suggesting that once we had Percy we should have skipped Finn?

As we all know, prospects develop at different rates and in a cap world, we need a constant revolving door of players.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Percy was a great pick, had a good bounce back year from injury. People that like sexy picks may not see his value on our club, but every team needs a top 4 d man that a coach can trust late in a game. He's also starting to show some more offence which is a bonus.

 

[613Leafer]

I guess the worst you can really say about him is he's an incredibly boring prospect. The true value of these smart, good soldier type defensemen is when they're fully developed, and you get one at a reasonable price on the market. Developing one is a pretty thankless and time consuming, and the payoff is "who cares?"

Sure, you might have a Carl Gunnarsson on your hands one day, but you risk the possibility of those Jurco, Rattie, Jenner type prospects developing a lot faster and making way bigger impacts. And they're stocking up on those Granberg, Nilsson, Loov with those late picks anyway. Is Percy that much better than those guys? Is Percy better than a Matt Finn? Maybe down the road you try to trade a Percy to get a Jenner. But I bet the Jackets aren't willing to make that swap.

In summary, low upside, long development cycle, huge organizational log jam of defensemen. Not impressed.

You also might have a Dan Hamhuis/Ryan Suter type of player... If youre going to praise the absolute limits to the potential of prospects like Rattie, Jenner, etc, then you have to do the same with Percy. Not that I think Percy will become as good as those guys, but I equally dont think Jenner/Rattie will become elite scoring wingers at the NHL level, and if youre going to talk about that type of potential for them, you have to do the same for Percy and the type of game he plays.

The Biggs pick is the one that should bother you. If we didnt make that trade, we could have had two of Gibson, Saad, Rattie, Musil, Jurco, Grimaldi, etc. and had two prospects that you consider boom/bust type of high potential guys.

 

[Sundinisagod]

I just wish he was RH...

 

[613Leafer]

I just wish he was RH...

Granberg is

Im excited to see how he'll do on the Marlies if he comes over next season. He played really really well for Team Sweden. But a bigger sample size on the smaller ice surface is needed to really get a grasp on his potential I think.

 

[The Blue Devil]

You need these guys in your system. Maybe people haven't been paying attention but this team lacks guys who play like Percy. It was a late first round pick with second pairing potential, what exactly is the problem? trying to hit a homerun with every pick is absolutely foolish and I'm sure the same people who think we should have drafted someone else will be the first to ask why we drafted that homerun type pick in the first place.

Like Kadri!

 

[thewave]

Matt Finn was selected after we had Percy. Not sure we could have passed on Percy with the assumption we'd land Finn the following year? Or are you suggesting that once we had Percy we should have skipped Finn?

As we all know, prospects develop at different rates and in a cap world, we need a constant revolving door of players.

Matt Finn type pick in the second round was total luck, that draft was 2 for 1 first rounders. When you at your spreadsheet and see the estimated #12-15 @ 35 you pounce on that! He should by all rights become better than Percy.

 

[SnipeCheeseAllDay]

I like Percy, but I like Rielly, Nilsson, Finn and Granberg more (in that order).

 

[ULF_55]

I just wish he was RH...

Granberg is

Im excited to see how he'll do on the Marlies if he comes over next season. He played really really well for Team Sweden. But a bigger sample size on the smaller ice surface is needed to really get a grasp on his potential I think.

Granberg and Nilsson are RH as is Blacker.

Granberg just won a Gold at the Worlds, and played the 2nd. most minutes in the Gold Medal game, and will play for the Marlies this upcoming season. Probably has to spend some time in the minors, but he has been playing against men.

I'm guessing he's similar to Percy where it counts, between the ears, otherwise I doubt he'd have been relied upon so much in such key games.

Percy is 20, Granberg will be 21 in August.

I don't think you can have too many smart players, but you can have too many who aren't.

 

[Mikeyg]

Which is weird for a 20 year old junior defenseman, right?

hes done junior now, and a 19 year old junior defenseman was playing, there goes your theory. The best players play, regardless of age.

 

[ULF_55]

Can you please give me a list of players that were drafted in the late 1st or early second round who became INSTANT impact players? Players who were regulars producing by the time their 1st, 2nd, 3rd seasons rolled around (post-draft).

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that your list is going to be very very short.

Let's just go the Kadri draft and look at the top 50 games played picks list for a comparison. Keep in mind this is 3 years after being drafted.

By draft order:

Round | Pick | Player | NHL Games
1 | 1 | John Tavares | 291
1 | 2 | Victor Hedman | 258
1 | 3 | Matt Duchene | 266
1 | 4 | Evander Kane | 261
1 | 5 | Brayden Schenn | 110
1 | 6 | Oliver Ekman-Larsson | 178
1 | 7 | Nazem Kadri | 99
1 | 9 | Jared Cowen | 90
1 | 10 | Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson | 163
1 | 11 | Ryan Ellis | 64
1 | 13 | Zack Kassian | 83
1 | 14 | Dmitri Kulikov | 232
1 | 15 | Peter Holland | 25
1 | 16 | Nick Leddy | 176
1 | 17 | David Rundblad | 38
1 | 18 | Louis Leblanc | 42
1 | 20 | Jacob Josefson | 91
1 | 21 | John Moore | 99
1 | 22 | Jordan Schroeder | 31
1 | 23 | Tim Erixon | 49
1 | 24 | Marcus Johansson | 183
1 | 25 | Jordan Caron | 88
1 | 26 | Kyle Palmieri | 70
1 | 28 | Dylan Olsen | 28
1 | 30 | Simon Despres | 51
2 | 33 | Ryan O'Reilly | 265
2 | 35 | Kyle Clifford | 205
2 | 39 | Jakob Silfverberg | 48
2 | 40 | Anton Lander | 67
2 | 44 | Drew Shore | 43
2 | 46 | Robin Lehner | 25
2 | 49 | Stefan Elliott | 57
2 | 52 | Richard Panik | 25
2 | 55 | Dmitri Orlov | 65
2 | 60 | Tomas Tatar | 27
3 | 64 | Tyson Barrie | 42
3 | 66 | Brayden McNabb | 25
3 | 69 | Reilly Smith | 40
3 | 85 | Cody Eakin | 78
4 | 92 | Casey Cizikas | 60
4 | 94 | David Savard | 35
4 | 98 | Craig Smith | 116
4 | 104 | Marcus Foligno | 61
5 | 127 | Roman Horak | 81
5 | 129 | Tomas Vincour | 88
5 | 132 | Gabriel Bourque | 77
5 | 149 | Marcus Kruger | 125
6 | 165 | Scott Timmins | 24
6 | 172 | Eric Wellwood | 31
7 | 186 | Jordan Nolan | 70

By games played order:

Round | Pick | Player | NHL Games
1 | 1 | John Tavares | 291
1 | 3 | Matt Duchene | 266
2 | 33 | Ryan O'Reilly | 265
1 | 4 | Evander Kane | 261
1 | 2 | Victor Hedman | 258
1 | 14 | Dmitri Kulikov | 232
2 | 35 | Kyle Clifford | 205
1 | 24 | Marcus Johansson | 183
1 | 6 | Oliver Ekman-Larsson | 178
1 | 16 | Nick Leddy | 176
1 | 10 | Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson | 163
5 | 149 | Marcus Kruger | 125
4 | 98 | Craig Smith | 116
1 | 5 | Brayden Schenn | 110
1 | 21 | John Moore | 99
1 | 7 | Nazem Kadri | 99
1 | 20 | Jacob Josefson | 91
1 | 9 | Jared Cowen | 90
5 | 129 | Tomas Vincour | 88
1 | 25 | Jordan Caron | 88
1 | 13 | Zack Kassian | 83
5 | 127 | Roman Horak | 81
3 | 85 | Cody Eakin | 78
5 | 132 | Gabriel Bourque | 77
7 | 186 | Jordan Nolan | 70
1 | 26 | Kyle Palmieri | 70
2 | 40 | Anton Lander | 67
2 | 55 | Dmitri Orlov | 65
1 | 11 | Ryan Ellis | 64
4 | 104 | Marcus Foligno | 61
4 | 92 | Casey Cizikas | 60
2 | 49 | Stefan Elliott | 57
1 | 30 | Simon Despres | 51
1 | 23 | Tim Erixon | 49
2 | 39 | Jakob Silfverberg | 48
2 | 44 | Drew Shore | 43
3 | 64 | Tyson Barrie | 42
1 | 18 | Louis Leblanc | 42
3 | 69 | Reilly Smith | 40
1 | 17 | David Rundblad | 38
4 | 94 | David Savard | 35
6 | 172 | Eric Wellwood | 31
1 | 22 | Jordan Schroeder | 31
1 | 28 | Dylan Olsen | 28
2 | 60 | Tomas Tatar | 27
3 | 66 | Brayden McNabb | 25
2 | 52 | Richard Panik | 25
2 | 46 | Robin Lehner | 25
1 | 15 | Peter Holland | 25
6 | 165 | Scott Timmins | 24

 

[Neil Hamburger]

I like Percy, but I like Rielly, Nilsson, Finn and Granberg more (in that order).

We have an exceptionally well-rounded defensive prospect group.

 

[Duffman955]

Let's just go the Kadri draft and look at the top 50 games played picks list for a comparison. Keep in mind this is 3 years after being drafted.

By draft order:

Round | Pick | Player | NHL Games
1 | 1 | John Tavares | 291
1 | 2 | Victor Hedman | 258
1 | 3 | Matt Duchene | 266
1 | 4 | Evander Kane | 261
1 | 5 | Brayden Schenn | 110
1 | 6 | Oliver Ekman-Larsson | 178
1 | 7 | Nazem Kadri | 99
1 | 9 | Jared Cowen | 90
1 | 10 | Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson | 163
1 | 11 | Ryan Ellis | 64
1 | 13 | Zack Kassian | 83
1 | 14 | Dmitri Kulikov | 232
1 | 15 | Peter Holland | 25
1 | 16 | Nick Leddy | 176
1 | 17 | David Rundblad | 38
1 | 18 | Louis Leblanc | 42
1 | 20 | Jacob Josefson | 91
1 | 21 | John Moore | 99
1 | 22 | Jordan Schroeder | 31
1 | 23 | Tim Erixon | 49
1 | 24 | Marcus Johansson | 183
1 | 25 | Jordan Caron | 88
1 | 26 | Kyle Palmieri | 70
1 | 28 | Dylan Olsen | 28
1 | 30 | Simon Despres | 51
2 | 33 | Ryan O'Reilly | 265
2 | 35 | Kyle Clifford | 205
2 | 39 | Jakob Silfverberg | 48
2 | 40 | Anton Lander | 67
2 | 44 | Drew Shore | 43
2 | 46 | Robin Lehner | 25
2 | 49 | Stefan Elliott | 57
2 | 52 | Richard Panik | 25
2 | 55 | Dmitri Orlov | 65
2 | 60 | Tomas Tatar | 27
3 | 64 | Tyson Barrie | 42
3 | 66 | Brayden McNabb | 25
3 | 69 | Reilly Smith | 40
3 | 85 | Cody Eakin | 78
4 | 92 | Casey Cizikas | 60
4 | 94 | David Savard | 35
4 | 98 | Craig Smith | 116
4 | 104 | Marcus Foligno | 61
5 | 127 | Roman Horak | 81
5 | 129 | Tomas Vincour | 88
5 | 132 | Gabriel Bourque | 77
5 | 149 | Marcus Kruger | 125
6 | 165 | Scott Timmins | 24
6 | 172 | Eric Wellwood | 31
7 | 186 | Jordan Nolan | 70

By games played order:

Round | Pick | Player | NHL Games
1 | 1 | John Tavares | 291
1 | 3 | Matt Duchene | 266
2 | 33 | Ryan O'Reilly | 265
1 | 4 | Evander Kane | 261
1 | 2 | Victor Hedman | 258
1 | 14 | Dmitri Kulikov | 232
2 | 35 | Kyle Clifford | 205
1 | 24 | Marcus Johansson | 183
1 | 6 | Oliver Ekman-Larsson | 178
1 | 16 | Nick Leddy | 176
1 | 10 | Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson | 163
5 | 149 | Marcus Kruger | 125
4 | 98 | Craig Smith | 116
1 | 5 | Brayden Schenn | 110
1 | 21 | John Moore | 99
1 | 7 | Nazem Kadri | 99
1 | 20 | Jacob Josefson | 91
1 | 9 | Jared Cowen | 90
5 | 129 | Tomas Vincour | 88
1 | 25 | Jordan Caron | 88
1 | 13 | Zack Kassian | 83
5 | 127 | Roman Horak | 81
3 | 85 | Cody Eakin | 78
5 | 132 | Gabriel Bourque | 77
7 | 186 | Jordan Nolan | 70
1 | 26 | Kyle Palmieri | 70
2 | 40 | Anton Lander | 67
2 | 55 | Dmitri Orlov | 65
1 | 11 | Ryan Ellis | 64
4 | 104 | Marcus Foligno | 61
4 | 92 | Casey Cizikas | 60
2 | 49 | Stefan Elliott | 57
1 | 30 | Simon Despres | 51
1 | 23 | Tim Erixon | 49
2 | 39 | Jakob Silfverberg | 48
2 | 44 | Drew Shore | 43
3 | 64 | Tyson Barrie | 42
1 | 18 | Louis Leblanc | 42
3 | 69 | Reilly Smith | 40
1 | 17 | David Rundblad | 38
4 | 94 | David Savard | 35
6 | 172 | Eric Wellwood | 31
1 | 22 | Jordan Schroeder | 31
1 | 28 | Dylan Olsen | 28
2 | 60 | Tomas Tatar | 27
3 | 66 | Brayden McNabb | 25
2 | 52 | Richard Panik | 25
2 | 46 | Robin Lehner | 25
1 | 15 | Peter Holland | 25
6 | 165 | Scott Timmins | 24

Now arrange them by PPG.

 

[SeenSchenn2]

I liked the Percy pick. Actually didn't like the Biggs pick

 

[mikebel111*]

I liked the Percy pick. Actually didn't like the Biggs pick

I loved both the picks. biggs is a PWF so as most, he will take some time, I have no idea why people have given up on biggs?

it must be the same who gave up on kadri as 19 year old.

 

[SeenSchenn2]

I loved both the picks. biggs is a PWF so as most, he will take some time, I have no idea why people have given up on biggs?

it must be the same who gave up on kadri as 19 year old.

Not sure if you're pointing me out, but I didn't say Biggs wasn't a good prospect, of course I hope he pans out and I know he needs a lot of time.

I just think there were better players available, just my .02.

FWIW I was with Naz since day one.

 

[mikebel111*]

Not sure if you're pointing me out, but I didn't say Biggs wasn't a good prospect, of course I hope he pans out and I know he needs a lot of time.

I just think there were better players available, just my .02.

FWIW I was with Naz since day one.

I wasn't pointing you out. I was pointing out the people that call a kid a bust if he doesn't make the NHL the first year. he needs time like you said, and I believe he will work out.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Yep, we have no use for a smart, steady, no panic defenseman when we're trying to hold a lead and the other team has pulled the goalie.

None at all

Did you not watch game 7 ? We did fine. Percy is useless