Proposal: Calgary - Ottawa (not reuniting the Tkachuks)

[IranCondraAffair]

Meh, I'd like to see Dadonov in a full season. Not convinced Lucic brings more to the table.

 

[Akrapovince]

Lucic has more points than Dadonov this season and more points than Watson has ever scored in a single season. Watsons most physical season would be Lucic's 10th most physical season.

I'd argue that Dadonov has been bad... certainly one of our bottom 3 regular forwards... but agreed he can bounce back.

Why does Ottawa do it? Because we save almost 2m per season, get a guy who has won, has tons of playoff experience + playoff impact, who stands up for his teammates (I'd rather have that type of guy in the bottom 6 than on D), and, imo, get a guy who fits in better - especially on the bottom 6.

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Stutzle - Pinto - Brown
Formenton - Paul - White
Lucic - Tierney - Watson

vs

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Stutzle - White - Dadonov
Formenton - Pinto - Brown
Paul - Tierney - Watson

IMO, I'd rather the combination where Paul & Pinto are in the top 9 vs the one where one of them isn't. Not saying "I'm right, you're wrong", but I think there is some merit to the idea.

Very good point here that a player like Lucic is more efficiently used on the bottom six as opposed to having a player on defence that plays the same role, never thought about that.

If trading Lucic for Dadonov means I don’t have to watch Josh Brown play anymore I’m all for it.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Can I ask why? I think that Dadonov can rebound, but he just doesn't fit in well with our style of play. Add in the fact that he's owed $4m more than Lucic and I feel like this suits our needs really well. Lucic would look good on the other side of Austin Watson + PP2.... I just don't see where Dadonov really fits for us. I actually think Calgary takes a lot more risk on this (although with that comes possible higher reward).

6 million AAV for a 4th liner, yikes.

 

[ATdaisuki]

No way I'm trading Dadonov for Lucic. Paul - White - Dadonov has been one of our best lines all season. If we need the money savings, see if Seattle selects him or buy him out. Personally, I'm keeping him.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

6 million AAV for a 4th liner, yikes.

1.8m less than Dadonov for a guy who is playing about as much at ES and scoring just as much too.

Unless you are concerned about how much CGY & EDM paid him...

 

[blankall]

If I'm Calgary I say yes right away and buyout Dadonov before he even gets on the plane and then send Eugene a thank you card for getting them out of Lucic's contract. For reference


Lucic buyout is 3.6m 2022, 4.9m 2023, 510k 24-25.
Dadonov buyout is 1.9m 2022, 417k 2023, 1.9m 24-25. Much more manageable..

Doesn't help the Flames.

Lucic is quite effective on our team. On pace for 33 points from the bottom six, despite the team having many many issues. He leads the team in physical play. If Calgary has 1.9 million in dead cap from a buyout, there's no advantage to Calgary. We'd just be looking for another Lucic type player, that would probably cost us more than 3.35 million/year.

 

[Golden_Jet]

1.8m less than Dadonov for a guy who is playing about as much at ES and scoring just as much too.

Unless you are concerned about how much CGY & EDM paid him...

Dadanov AAV is 5.

Lucic, couldn't keep up with the team. Its just a bad trade.
You don't trade for a 5.25 million guy and put him on the 4th line.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Dadanov AAV is 5.

Lucic, couldn't keep up with the team. Its just a bad trade.
You don't trade for a 5.25 million guy and put him on the 4th line.

Sens have no concern with AAV. Real dollars is 11.5 for Dadonov vs 7.8ish for Lucic. Do you think Ottawa would have added Gudbranson and Stepan if caphit was a concern? It legitimately shouldn't be considered for the next 2 years. We're not gonna approach the ceiling... all that matters is actual dollars.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Calgary has enough smaller waterbug types tbh, although Dadonov's speed would be welcome. Gaudreau, Mangiapane, Dube, and several of our top prospects Pelletier, Phillips, Zavgorodny, and Pettersen are all kind of in the same skilled smaller winger mold.

Lucic has been pretty damn good for the Flames, really not in any urgent rush to get rid of him.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Bad deal, Lucic will be 33 in just over a month, and then add on 2 years after that, no thanks.

 

[Boud]

I would do this deal as a Sens fan.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

No interest in trading Dadanov already, I'd rather give him another year before making a trading attempt.

It would also send a bad sign to future FA's to trade them so quickly.

 

[TheNewEra]

No interest in trading Dadanov already, I'd rather give him another year before making a trading attempt.

It would also send a bad sign to future FA's to trade them so quickly.

This is my biggest concern, this is the first time in a while where the sens signed a semi decent FA

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

No interest in trading Dadanov already, I'd rather give him another year before making a trading attempt.

It would also send a bad sign to future FA's to trade them so quickly.

I think this is a very fair point, but I also think Dadonov might welcome the move. He's a very capable player but he's fallen behind C. Brown and Batherson on our right side and a fresh start, especially on a team that looks to be retooling, might be a good opportunity for him.

 

[Fig]

No big names here.

EDIT: this deal is contingent on the expansion draft being completed and both players remaining with their current team.

To Calgary:
Evgeny Dadonov (2yrs @5m; 11.5m salary)

To Ottawa:
Milan Lucic (2yrs @5.25m; 7.875m salary)

Calgary shuffles the bodies around and gets a guy who might be able to work some magic with their more skilled players; helps allow Lindholm to stay at C.

Ottawa saves money and gets a guy with a history of winning + who fits better with the team identity, especially on the lower lines, while giving Dadonov a fresh start.

Who says no?

Milan Lucic (NMC)

 

[treple13]

Milan Lucic (NMC)

This. No chance Lucic agrees

 

[Golden_Jet]

This. No chance Lucic agrees

Bless his soul.

 

[Chabot84]

Yeah sure if Calgary tosses in their first round pick consider dads bags packed

 

[Lunatik]

Yeah sure if Calgary tosses in their first round pick consider dads bags packed

Fun fact Lucic has outproduced Dadonov this year, and has done it while not being a one dimensional player.

 

[supsens]

Fun fact Lucic has outproduced Dadonov this year, and has done it while not being a one dimensional player.

Dado plays a decent all around game I don't think he is as one dimensional as you make it sound.
This trade does nothing to move the needle for either team. The Sens need a guy who can score goals a heck of a lot more than they need grit so I don't see any upside in this deal.

 

[TSA0402]

Give Dadonov another year then see where it goes.

If his play doesnt improve, one year buyout shouldn't be too painful or LTIR him.

Not close to the point I'd be willing to trade him for Lucic(even without an NMC).

 

[RasmusAndersson]

Dado plays a decent all around game I don't think he is as one dimensional as you make it sound.
This trade does nothing to move the needle for either team. The Sens need a guy who can score goals a heck of a lot more than they need grit so I don't see any upside in this deal.

I mean I think if Melnyk saw an opportunity to save $4 mil in actual $$$ while getting a similarly productive player it would be enticing. Not saying it’s a no brainer but I see the upside from management perspective for sure, especially if Dadanov has been pushed down the depth chart as he has behind Brown and Batherson

 

[supsens]

I mean I think if Melnyk saw an opportunity to save $4 mil in actual $$$ while getting a similarly productive player it would be enticing. Not saying it’s a no brainer but I see the upside from management perspective for sure, especially if Dadanov has been pushed down the depth chart as he has behind Brown and Batherson

If you put looch on a line that can't score his assists vanish and they would not get the same production out of him.

 

[swiftwin]

Sens say no.

Dadonov hasn't looked that bad. I think he'll rebound next season.

 

[mouser]

I know it’s contrary to popular belief, but Flames fans have been quite happy with Lucic and want him to stick around. We’re happy with what he’s done. He is not a liability on most nights. His value is not negative like many say he is.

A) If Calgary offered to trade Lucic for future considerations this summer would any team take up the offer?

B) If any other team did offer to take Lucic for free, would Calgary say No?