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Calgary city council approves arena deal (UPD: new deal upcoming?)

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Gnashville

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SmellOfVictory said:
Sure, but why, from an economic standpoint, would the NHL move a team from a profitable (ignoring the horse**** Bettman/King have been spewing) city when they can move one of the legitimately unprofitable ones?
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The NHL and Bettman does not move teams each team’s owner does. Bettman is a lawyer and says what his clients want him to say. If Calgary’s owner want him to be a villain and threaten relocating the Flames that is what he does. Arizona and Florida’ owners don’t want him to so he does what they want. How is this not hard to understand?
 
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Gnashville said:
The NHL and Bettman does not move teams that team’s owner does. Bettman is a lawyer and says what his clients want him to say. If Calgary’s owner want him to be a villain and threaten relocating the Flames that is what he does. Arizona and Florida’ owners don’t want him to so he does what they want. How is this not hard to understand?
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Because a lot of people around here think Bettman bosses around the billionaire owners......demanding them where to place franchises. Very comical actually. I just can't even picture a scenario where Bettman is barking orders to a guy like Philip Anschutz :laugh::laugh:
 
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Bettman is a puppet, and he is saying exactly what Flames ownership has been harping about. Rogers Place in Edmonton has led to Katz getting a lot more cash, and not just from the Oilers but from concerts that wouldn't come here before. So now there are acts that skip Calgary for Edm, and new arenas would give full control over to the sports owner
 
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It doesn't have to provide more lucrative economc opportunities than we had. It just has to provide something on part with the early 00s, before the completely unsustainable oil/housing boom we had. Only an idiot would have any expectation that Alberta could forever expect to ride a wave of black gold into eternal wealth without actually investing in other industries.
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What other industries? What investment? What has come in to fill in that gulf of still-vacant office space downtown? What tangible plan is there to entice these industries (whatever they are)? Are they of the caliber (if they exist) to provide long-term financial support to an NHL-level team?

The notion that we should be perfectly okay sitting around with our thumbs up our asses watching this province artificially freefall itself two decades back in time is an unacceptable answer. If that's honestly your grand master solution than our ability to support an NHL team as the rest of urban North America leaves us in the dust (including O&G powerhouses like, say...Houston) is the absolute least of our problems. We could be supplying China and India's insatiable appetite for O&G and be economically back on our feet and beyond within a few years. Considering that the actual cause of the recession is long over, there's no reason whatsoever why we shouldn't already be back to our pre-recession state by now. Instead we're committing economic suicide under completely artificial means and all that money that could be going to us is instead going to financially incentivise such bastions of social liberty as Nigeria and Saudi Arabia. Idiotic.
 
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Bookie21 said:
There's no way these billionaire owners are taking instruction from Bettman...NO WAY. These guys became rich for a reason. He has no influence over them. If Bettman started barking orders at Jacobs or Anschutz, they'd tell him to pound sand and pack his bags
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Bettman has a ton of influence over the owners. He organizes, builds consensuses, and creates the agenda to move the league forward into the future. He can do things many individual owners dislike so long as he has a solid support of the majority.

He doesn't however walk into individual markets, make comments about the suitability of their arenas, and the need to build a new one without that local owner being 100% supportive of Bettman delivering the message.
 
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Bookie21 said:
Bingo! Doesn't matter the league either. Look no further than the Raiders leaving Oakland because Las Vegas was willing to pony up $1.8 billion on a new stadium
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NHL isn't the NFL. NFL is a league of prostitutes. The NFL believes they are entitled to tax money for new stadiums the NHL does not. Oakland was never going to build a NFL stadium and I mean never. Just follow the Oakland A's present situation and see what they are up against in the SF/OAK area trying to build a new ballpark. Giants almost moved and had to pay for new ballpark themselves. 49'ers moved 50 miles away. The NBA team is paying for a new arena privately in San Francisco. Operating a Major Pro Sports Franchise in that part of America is like nowhere else.
 
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Bookie21 said:
There's no way these billionaire owners are taking instruction from Bettman...NO WAY. These guys became rich for a reason. He has no influence over them. If Bettman started barking orders at Jacobs or Anschutz, they'd tell him to pound sand and pack his bags
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I never said ''owners were taking instructions from Bettman''. I said Gary Bettman had influence over owners, it's not the same thing.
 

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Mr Positive said:
Bettman is a puppet, and he is saying exactly what Flames ownership has been harping about. Rogers Place in Edmonton has led to Katz getting a lot more cash, and not just from the Oilers but from concerts that wouldn't come here before. So now there are acts that skip Calgary for Edm, and new arenas would give full control over to the sports owner
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Off topic but Edmonton's new arena is not leading to more concerts. Check out the poll star numbers from 2010 or so to the present. The number of tickets sold for some of those years at old Rexall Place match or far exceed what the current arena drew last year (when Northlands had few concerts as competition).
 
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What other industries? What investment? What has come in to fill in that gulf of still-vacant office space downtown? What tangible plan is there to entice these industries (whatever they are)? Are they of the caliber (if they exist) to provide long-term financial support to an NHL-level team?

The notion that we should be perfectly okay sitting around with our thumbs up our asses watching this province artificially freefall itself two decades back in time is an unacceptable answer. If that's honestly your grand master solution than our ability to support an NHL team as the rest of urban North America leaves us in the dust (including O&G powerhouses like, say...Houston) is the absolute least of our problems. We could be supplying China and India's insatiable appetite for O&G and be economically back on our feet and beyond within a few years. Considering that the actual cause of the recession is long over, there's no reason whatsoever why we shouldn't already be back to our pre-recession state by now. Instead we're committing economic suicide under completely artificial means and all that money that could be going to us is instead going to financially incentivise such bastions of social liberty as Nigeria and Saudi Arabia. Idiotic.
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It's naive to think no carbon tax and the construction of an additional pipeline to an ocean port would solve the economic woes of Calgary. Demand for oil is still relatively low compared to 5 years ago.
 
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blueandgoldguy said:
Off topic but Edmonton's new arena is not leading to more concerts. Check out the poll star numbers from 2010 or so to the present. The number of tickets sold for some of those years at old Rexall Place match or far exceed what the current arena drew last year (when Northlands had few concerts as competition).
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Yea, I don't quite get where people get this idea from, that new arena will attract more events. If it was in a city like New York where there are multiple arenas with similar capacity then maybe.

Most cities don't have that though.
 
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BKIslandersFan said:
Yea, I don't quite get where people get this idea from, that new arena will attract more events. If it was in a city like New York where there are multiple arenas with similar capacity then maybe.

Most cities don't have that though.
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It's not about Edmonton's new arena attracting more concerts, it's about more and more shows skipping Calgary because the Saddledome is unable to support some of the setups of modern concerts.
 
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BKIslandersFan said:
Yea, I don't quite get where people get this idea from, that new arena will attract more events. If it was in a city like New York where there are multiple arenas with similar capacity then maybe.

Most cities don't have that though.
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It's not a given. But some cities only have ONE said arena and it's construction standards aren't up par to today's technology standards. So more often, some acts will just skip the city because their use of the arena (technologically and space wise) will not allow their show to go on.

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It's not about Edmonton's new arena attracting more concerts, it's about more and more shows skipping Calgary because the Saddledome is unable to support some of the setups of modern concerts.
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Like MM says, we had the same issue in QC. Most acts were skipping the Colisée Pepsi simply because the roof wasn't strong enough to support all the weight today's acts need to hang up to give a better experience.
 
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Mightygoose said:
This story is a couple days old but Sportsnet has now picked it up


Calgary city councillor files motion to reignite Flames arena talks - Sportsnet.ca

Possible coup in city hall on this matter? Mayor Nenshi not invited to be on this proposed committee.

City scheduled to vote on this motion on May 28.
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I'll be watching this very closely. Here is what I think about this.

1. What will make discussions different this time around?

2. I think all city councillor should be involved in this. Why only a 3 person panel?
 

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Can the NHL impose a relocation fee? How about a one million dollars relocation fee. That should stop any moves.
 
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