Cale Makar vs. 2020 1st overall pick

[Veritas]

Which asset do you take?

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[Pitaya]

This is getting silly now lol

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

This is getting silly now lol

What exactly are you expecting from Lafreniere?

How is this silly?

 

[Brando]

What exactly are you expecting from Lafreniere?

How is this silly?

a franchise player

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Just like the Hughes poll, I’d take Laf here even though I think Hughes and Makar both end up as great D.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Lafreniere.

 

[AvsCOL]

Not sure how the answer isn't Cale Makar honestly...

A defenseman who played at a 72-point pace.

 

[Richard88]

A RHD rookie who just had 72 point pace in his 1st season VS an unproven prospect. Easy choice.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

a franchise player

I agree. But, I think Makar is tracking to be a franchise player too.

Lafreniere is probably going to be a 90+ point winger.

Makar was at a 70+ point pace for his rookie season as a defenceman. Career wise maybe he’ll regress, I don’t know, but I think he’s going to bring a lot of value for his position.

 

[Rowlet]

I take both defenders over Laf.

 

[Ararana]

Same answer for Hughes, I'd take a franchise defenseman over a franchise winger any day of the week.

 

[Dr Salt]

Same answer for Hughes, I'd take a franchise defenseman over a franchise winger any day of the week.

as someone else pointed out in that other thread, do you take an 18 year old Hedman over an 18 year old Ovi?

The comparison doesn't compare the two players by style or talent but emphasizing one being better than the other.

 

[Just Linda]

Makar. Easily.

Lafreniere is really good, will be a point per game player but his hype is definitely getting a bit out of hand like most 1oas

 

[Rowlet]

as someone else pointed out in that other thread, do you take an 18 year old Hedman over an 18 year old Ovi?

The comparison doesn't compare the two players by style or talent but emphasizing one being better than the other.

Ovechkin is clearly in another tier than Hedman. Ovechkin vs Karlsson or Doughty is closer, and I'd probably take Karlsson over Ovechkin, maybe even Doughty for the 2008-2013 Canucks. The Canucks would have won at least one, possibly multiple cups by adding their only elite defender, I don't know if adding a 4th elite forward would have helped though.

That being said, I don't think Laf will be anything like Ovechkin. I'd take Hedman over Taylor Hall if that helps your hypothetical though.

 

[The Abusement Park]

as someone else pointed out in that other thread, do you take an 18 year old Hedman over an 18 year old Ovi?

The comparison doesn't compare the two players by style or talent but emphasizing one being better than the other.

Well Ovi is much different than Laf. But even at the draft no thought Ovi would be the greatest goal scorer of all time.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

as someone else pointed out in that other thread, do you take an 18 year old Hedman over an 18 year old Ovi?

The comparison doesn't compare the two players by style or talent but emphasizing one being better than the other.

I think it’s just a poor comparison.

We’ll see if Lafreniere can do to the league what Ovechkin did his first 5 seasons. Frankly, I doubt it.

Hedman is phenomenal now, but he took a lot longer to break out than Makar did.


I’m not even a big Ovechkin fan, but if you need a reminder for what he was like at the beginning of his career. Give this a watch.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

I would take Laf/Byfield/Stutzle and maybe Drysdale over Makar.

 

[Dr Salt]

Ovechkin is clearly in another tier than Hedman. Ovechkin vs Karlsson or Doughty is closer, and I'd probably take Karlsson over Ovechkin, maybe even Doughty for the 2008-2013 Canucks. The Canucks would have won at least one, possibly multiple cups by adding their only elite defender, I don't know if adding a 4th elite forward would have helped though.

That being said, I don't think Laf will be anything like Ovechkin. I'd take Hedman over Taylor Hall if that helps your hypothetical though.

I still think he projects better than Taylor Hall. My point is I think Laf's talent is more than enough to justify taking him.

 

[Dr Salt]

I think it’s just a poor comparison.

We’ll see if Lafreniere can do to the league what Ovechkin did his first 5 seasons. Frankly, I doubt it.

Hedman is phenomenal now, but he took a lot longer to break out than Makar did.


I’m not even a big Ovechkin fan, but if you need a reminder for what he was like at the beginning of his career. Give this a watch.

There's a reason I wrote the last line. Because they are on different talent levels and play styles, but I wanted to emphaize what Laf can be being better enough to justify ignoring positional value.

 

[Spilot23]

Can't answer for the others but after seeing Makar's rookie season damn it would be hard for me to trade him. Based on what we have right that's an easy no.

Be ready Stars/Sabres fans. Next up : Heiskanen/Dahlin vs Laf !

 

[LTIR]

I like how OP does not mention 1st overall 2020 as Lafreniere. Is there even a debate there?

Would have to go with Makar here.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

There's a reason I wrote the last line. Because they are on different talent levels and play styles, but I wanted to emphaize what Laf can be being better enough to justify ignoring positional value.

I’m not convinced Makar and Lafreniere are on different levels.

 

[Rowlet]

I still think he projects better than Taylor Hall. My point is I think Laf's talent is more than enough to justify taking him.

He's a lot closer to Hall than Ovechkin imo. Reminder that Hall is a 90 pt Hart winning winger. Hall also scored very similarly to Lafreniere in their draft year, Laf only scored 6 more points than Hall did (112, 106), and Hall did it in a harder league.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Laf I'm starting a team from scratch.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

He's a lot closer to Hall than Ovechkin imo. Reminder that Hall is a 90 pt Hart winning winger. Hall also scored very similarly to Lafreniere in their draft year, Laf only scored 6 more points than Hall did (112, 106), and Hall did it in a harder league.

Laf’s got a much better hockey brain than Hall imo. Hall had better physical tools entering the league though.