C Semyon Der-Arguchintsev - Traktor Chelyabinsk, KHL (2018, 76th, TOR)

[ObscureAlien]

Impressed with this kid.

Leafs sent all junior age players back today except for SDA. Hoping he can get into at least 1 pre-season game before he gets sent back to Peterborough.

Sandin & Liljegren are still in camp.

 

[LeafChief]

Sandin & Liljegren are still in camp.

My bad. Junior-age was the wrong word. I meant players that will be playing CHL this year.

There is potential that Sandin will play CHL but more than likely he will play in the SHL/AHL.

 

[Critical13]

@Mrb1p @Tryamkin

Can you two post your lists for the last 3-5 years pre draft?

I see you pumping your hits around here quite often, I’d be curious what the overall picture looks like.

 

[Knies iT]

He's slotted in for tomorrow's pre-season game against the Senators. Will be interesting to see if he can handle the physicality with guys like Boro in the lineup.

 

[Mrb1p]

@Mrb1p @Tryamkin

Can you two post your lists for the last 3-5 years pre draft?

I see you pumping your hits around here quite often, I’d be curious what the overall picture looks like.

First timenI actually make a list, I had lotsa time on my hands. Its also my first year back in prospects since 2013.

 

[Tryamkin]

@Mrb1p @Tryamkin

Can you two post your lists for the last 3-5 years pre draft?

I see you pumping your hits around here quite often, I’d be curious what the overall picture looks like.

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/tryamkin’s-final-2018-draft-rankings-guide.2503163/

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/tryamkins-final-217-draft-rankings-1st-round-mock.2506879/


https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/tryamkins-final-draft-rankings-top-100-with-analysis.2360917/

 

[LeafChief]

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/tryamkin’s-final-2018-draft-rankings-guide.2503163/

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/tryamkins-final-217-draft-rankings-1st-round-mock.2506879/


https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/tryamkins-final-draft-rankings-top-100-with-analysis.2360917/

Pretty solid work. Well done.

 

[Morgs]

Yes, Bracco has accomplished more. He was drafted three years earlier. Scott Thornton and Rob Pearson accomplished more than even Bracco!

They also have a U-18 WJC gold, a world junior championship gold, a memorial cup, and a calder cup all by the age of 21?

 

[4thline]

They also have a U-18 WJC gold, a world junior championship gold, a memorial cup, and a calder cup all by the age of 21?

Not to mention having similar production to guys like Ho-Sang/Scherbak while being put in unfavouable offensive situations and while visibly focusing on remedying non-offensive weaknesses

 

[Mrb1p]

Not to mention having similar production to guys like Ho-Sang/Scherbak while being put in unfavouable offensive situations and while visibly focusing on remedying non-offensive weaknesses

But what do you know about Nikitas situation?

 

[4thline]

But what do you know about Nikitas situation?

Strong U20 carrying the mail in Everett, injury diminished U21 with good opportunity on a thoroughly mediocre Ice-Caps team.

I was speaking to Bracco this year. It was undeniably an unfavourable situation to produce (and yet he matched the players I mentioned, playing mainly on the 4thline with focus on play off the puck and physical development- focus that lead to visibly positive results. The same thing happened in Windsor, after which he came in and made the Mem cup his bitch. No slight to Scherbak and Ho-sang, just food for thought for those that would dismiss Bracco as a stagnating depth prospect, and a lesson on the different perspectives organizational depth and draft slotting cause.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Strong U20 carrying the mail in Everett, injury diminished U21 with good opportunity on a thoroughly mediocre Ice-Caps team.

I was speaking to Bracco this year. It was undeniably an unfavourable situation to produce (and yet he matched the players I mentioned, playing mainly on the 4thline with focus on play off the puck and physical development- focus that lead to visibly positive results. The same thing happened in Windsor, after which he came in and made the Mem cup his *****. No slight to Scherbak and Ho-sang, just food for thought for those that would dismiss Bracco as a stagnating depth prospect, and a lesson on the different perspectives organizational depth and draft slotting cause.

that usage is seeming like a rite of passage for offensive forwards coming through the Marlies - Kapanen, Johnsson, Timashov, Bracco, Brooks etc have all seen that and the ones that graduated to offensive roles on the team have had their production inflate accordingly.

I would expect to see the same for SDA if/when he gets to the Marlies

 

[LeafChief]

Doesn't seem like SDA will get into the pre-season game tonight. Hoping we get to see him in at least one game before he gets re-assigned to junior.

Says a lot about what they think about his performance to this point to have him still in camp. I'm hoping he is soaking it all in.

 

[Orfieus]

SDA hasn't done anything to rank him above Bracco. You could argue that he has more potential but Bracco is the more proven prospect who has a good shot of making the NHL. I don't think the same can be said about SDA who is still a longshot.

I like to think of prospects as cups and how big the cup is their potential and as the cup fills with water the player is working towards their maximum potential

SDA might have a larger cup then Bracco but Bracco cup has more water

 

[Boxscore]

How did SDA look in camp and last night's game?

 

[Tryamkin]

How did SDA look in camp and last night's game?

SDA hasn’t played in pre-season yet unfortunately. Hopefully the keep him up until he at least gets one chance.

 

[firstemperor]

How did SDA look in camp and last night's game?

He's playing tomorrow (Friday) night

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

He's playing tomorrow (Friday) night

well hopefully. it will be two of Greening, Clune, and him who draw in

 

[Randy Randerson]

I like to think of prospects as cups and how big the cup is their potential and as the cup fills with water the player is working towards their maximum potential

SDA might have a larger cup then Bracco but Bracco cup has more water

this seems like shiny new toy syndrome to me, Bracco's ceiling has always been considered really high, a large cup with a lot of space to fill in his own right

 

[TheBeastCoast]

He is in the lineup tonight against Buffalo for his first pre season game.

 

[Canada4Gold]

this seems like shiny new toy syndrome to me, Bracco's ceiling has always been considered really high, a large cup with a lot of space to fill in his own right

I think the more you develop the more your wide range of possibilities shrink. Things become a little more certain. Bracco certainly still has a very high ceiling. I'm not sure it's as high as it was when he was drafted though. A little less boom, a little less bust.

 

[Zybalto]

 

[Randy Randerson]

I think the more you develop the more your wide range of possibilities shrink. Things become a little more certain. Bracco certainly still has a very high ceiling. I'm not sure it's as high as it was when he was drafted though. A little less boom, a little less bust.

I still think that the perception of Bracco's ceiling could still swing pretty heavily based on this year's results, it's really the first opportunity he's getting to put up points in the AHL. I agree on the principle though, the range narrows as they become more known quantities

 

[Mickey Marner]

He makes Marner look like a grizzled vet.

 

[The Great Weal]

Didnt know 11 year olds were eligible for nhl pre season.