C Aleksi Heponiemi- Modo, Hockey Allsvenskan, Sweden (2017, 40th, FLA)

[Artorius Horus T]

Season totals:
33 goals + 118 assists = 151 points, +49, 32 pims

 

[JJTT]

Aleksi Heponiemi kaksivuotisella sopimuksella Kärppiin – Tino Metsävainio try-outille

Signed with Kärpät for 2 years.

 

[JustaFinnishGuy]

Great addition to a talent depleted champion.
The way I've seen him play this season tells me he's a lock on the top 6 and the #1 PP. I mean Manner would be an idiot to not try him 1st on the top line IMO.

 

[Jussi]

Aleksi Heponiemi kaksivuotisella sopimuksella Kärppiin – Tino Metsävainio try-outille

Signed with Kärpät for 2 years.

So the rumours were true.

 

[BB88]

Great move for him.

 

[tfong]

I assume this was with discussion with the Panthers as best for his development. But curious he didn't even want to try out at camp first?

 

[Jussi]

I assume this was with discussion with the Panthers as best for his development. But curious he didn't even want to try out at camp first?

He's physically too immature to play in the NHL yet, it showed at the U-20 WJC. Depending on how much muscle he can pick up during the summer, he might play wing with Kärpät.

 

[tfong]

He's physically too immature to play in the NHL yet, it showed at the U-20 WJC. Depending on how much muscle he can pick up during the summer, he might play wing with Kärpät.

Does it say in the article if he has an out clause at all incase they think he progresses fast enough in one year instead of two?

 

[Puckluck]

I assume this was with discussion with the Panthers as best for his development. But curious he didn't even want to try out at camp first?

Not that I believe he would make it out of the training camp this year, but if he would I assume that his contract with Karpat includes an NHL clause that in such situation lets him play for the Panthers.

 

[JJTT]

Does it say in the article if he has an out clause at all incase they think he progresses fast enough in one year instead of two?

All Finnish league contracts have an NHL out clause by default so he can play in NHL/AHL in 2019, or even this year if he somehow makes it.

 

[Jussi]

Does it say in the article if he has an out clause at all incase they think he progresses fast enough in one year instead of two?

Finland has a transfer agreement with NHL so out-clauses are automaticly placed in contracts.

 

[tfong]

Ah thanks for that tidbit.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

(player position finally corrected in the title )

Lets make some 2018-2019 Heponiemi predictions to start the Heponiemi II thread
in a form of a poll; How many goals+assists=points does Heponiemi score in his pro debut season
(2017 181st overall Petrus Palmu scored 17 goals,19 assists,36 points and won the rookie scoring title
last season)

2019 u20 world juniors will fleece games from his regular season total
so i'm thinking just above 50 regular season games for Hepo.

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Heponiemi-Kupari-Lindsten as a Kärpät 1st line would be awesome!!!

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Continue the talk here -> http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/lw-aleksi-heponiemi-ii-kärpät-liiga-2017-40th-fla.2504193/

 

[FinPanda]

Continue the talk here -> http://hfboards.mandatory.com/forums/nhl-draft-prospects.2/create-thread

Why a new thread? This was just fine.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Why a new thread? This was just fine.

Why not?

 

[FinPanda]

Why not?

There was not any need to make a new one? If you have a problem with the old thread title, just can tell it to the OP instead of doing a new thread because there was something you didn't like about it.

 

[BB88]

Why not?

This thread has lot of info posters could use if they want to.
This isn't even a long thread.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

I guess i post here....

2000-2001 -> 2017-2018 in the WHL u19 players (50+ games) top ppg

1st Aleksi Heponiemi 2.07 (57 games)
Sam Steel 1.98 (66 games)
Nic Petan 1.79 (63 games)
Brendan Leipsic 1.76 (68 games)
Ty Rattie 1.75 (69 games)
Sam Reinhart 1.75 (60 games)
Jarrett Stoll 1.71 (62 games)
Brayden Schenn 1.68 (59 games)
Leon Draisaitl 1.64 (64 games)
Evander Kane 1.57 (61 games
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.54 (69 games)

1990-1991 -> 2017-2018 in the WHL u19 players (50+ games) top ppg

Ray Whitney 2.57 (72 games)
Valeri Bure 2.23 (66 games)
Pat Falloon 2.23 (61 games)
Jarome Iginla 2.16 (63 games)
Darcy Tucker 2.12 (66 games)
6th Aleksi Heponiemi 2.07 (57 games)
Sam Steel 1.98 (66 games)
Pavel Brendl 1.97 (68 games)
Rick Girard 1.96 (72 games)
Maxim Bets 1.96 (54 games)
Daymond Lankow 1.94 (72 games)

1980-1981 -> 2017-2018 in the WHL u19 players (50+ games) top ppg

Rob Brown 3.37 (63 games)
Marc Habscheid 2.75 (55 games)
Dan Hodgson 2.74 (66 games)
Dale Derkatch 2.67 (67 games)
Ray Whitney 2.57 (72 games)
Joe Sakic 2.50 (64 games)
Ken Yaremchuk 2.42 (66 games)
Dean Evason 2.34 (70 games)
Brian Sakic 2.30 (66 games)
Jim McGeough 2.24 (71 games)
Valeri Bure 2.23 (66 games)
Pat Falloon 2.23 (61 games)
Jarome Iginla 2.16 (63 games)
Darcy Tucker 2.12 (66 games)
15th Aleksi Heponiemi 2.07 (57 games)

Hepo 2nd best European u19 year old ppg
in the past 38 years in the WHL.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

I guess i post here....

2000-2001 -> 2017-2018 in the WHL u19 players (50+ games) top ppg

1st Aleksi Heponiemi 2.07 (57 games)
Sam Steel 1.98 (66 games)
Nic Petan 1.79 (63 games)
Brendan Leipsic 1.76 (68 games)
Ty Rattie 1.75 (69 games)
Sam Reinhart 1.75 (60 games)
Jarrett Stoll 1.71 (62 games)
Brayden Schenn 1.68 (59 games)
Leon Draisaitl 1.64 (64 games)
Evander Kane 1.57 (61 games
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.54 (69 games)

1990-1991 -> 2017-2018 in the WHL u19 players (50+ games) top ppg

Ray Whitney 2.57 (72 games)
Valeri Bure 2.23 (66 games)
Pat Falloon 2.23 (61 games)
Jarome Iginla 2.16 (63 games)
Darcy Tucker 2.12 (66 games)
6th Aleksi Heponiemi 2.07 (57 games)
Sam Steel 1.98 (66 games)
Pavel Brendl 1.97 (68 games)
Rick Girard 1.96 (72 games)
Maxim Bets 1.96 (54 games)
Daymond Lankow 1.94 (72 games)

1980-1981 -> 2017-2018 in the WHL u19 players (50+ games) top ppg

Rob Brown 3.37 (63 games)
Marc Habscheid 2.75 (55 games)
Dan Hodgson 2.74 (66 games)
Dale Derkatch 2.67 (67 games)
Ray Whitney 2.57 (72 games)
Joe Sakic 2.50 (64 games)
Ken Yaremchuk 2.42 (66 games)
Dean Evason 2.34 (70 games)
Brian Sakic 2.30 (66 games)
Jim McGeough 2.24 (71 games)
Valeri Bure 2.23 (66 games)
Pat Falloon 2.23 (61 games)
Jarome Iginla 2.16 (63 games)
Darcy Tucker 2.12 (66 games)
15th Aleksi Heponiemi 2.07 (57 games)

Hepo 2nd best European u19 year old ppg
in the past 38 years in the WHL.

All these lists tell me is that junior scoring means nothing. Which i already knew.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

All these lists tell me is that junior scoring means nothing. Which i already knew.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

No, it just really does not. Petan for example scored 120 points in the WHL before his draft and was picked 43th. Scouts know what to look for in junior players, and the main thing is absolutely not scoring.

 

[ijuka]

No, it just really does not. Petan for example scored 120 points in the WHL before his draft and was picked 43th. Scouts know what to look for in junior players, and the main thing is absolutely not scoring.

Scoring is the most important thing and also predicts success very well. It's the most important thing when determining possible NHL success, the second-most important thing is skating(Which Petan btw lacks).

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Scoring is the most important thing and also predicts success very well. It's the most important thing when determining possible NHL success, the second-most important thing is skating(Which Petan btw lacks).

I don't agree with anything you just said, so that's that i suppose.

You can go watch how junior goalies and D play and decide for yourself how much weight scoring should have.

 

[ijuka]

I don't agree with anything you just said, so that's that i suppose.

It's not about disagreeing or agreeing, it's about statistics and studying the past as well as finding patterns. Go take a look at the relation of scoring and becoming an NHL player. But if you have performed statistical analysis and came up with a superior model, I'm all ears. Alex Debrincat is just one player on whom you would have outperformed professional scouts by simply looking at point production and ignoring everything else.

Or are you disagreeing with me about Petan lacking skating? Or about skating being important? If you are disagreeing with me on either of the two, you're wrong by the way.