TSN: Button top 50 NHL prospects

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  1. montreal

    montreal Go Habs Go

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    http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1942413&highlight=pronman

    lol :laugh:

    Not easily imo, Scherbak has had injury problems but he's highly skilled, just needs to get stronger and stay healthy.

    agreed

    Grégoire has been the biggest disappointment to me, granted he was often on the 4th line but he's really struggled this year. Bozon it will be interesting to see if he can make the AHL roster full time next year, I wouldn't have him in my top 15 but am pulling for him to make it. Dietz hasn't progressed that much, he's been ok but was hoping for a lot better.

    It's a big concern, they never seem to score more then 2 goals a game. There's no way I would have him as our top prospect unless you value safety over most things as he looks like a sure bet to make the NHL (though I thought he was almost a sure bet to make Team Canada this year)

    He does most things well, he's got a good frame, he's physical, good skating/speed/mobility. Can move the puck, has a heavy shot. Is smart in his own end. There's lots to like about him, just a question of how good will he be, which for me is still very much up in the air.

    Since he was drafted I was always concerned about how skinny he was. He's gotten a little bit bigger at least. Plus he plays with some sandpaper so I'm not as worried about it as I was, plus if he doesn't come over for another year or more he can continue to work on adding some mass. He does get pushed off the puck easily so it does make you wonder how he will do on the smaller ice in say the NHL playoffs.
     
  2. SquiddFX

    SquiddFX #Seanski

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    Craig Button is a tool. I take most of what he says with a grain of salt.
     
  3. DangerDave

    DangerDave Suzuki's Sidekick

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    You forgot Scherbak
     
  4. covfefe

    covfefe Met Gala buckled

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    It's Button, he's a disturber of the peace. I respect his knowledge but that knowledge base is certainly not encyclopedic across all team's prospect bases.
     
  5. Estimated_Prophet

    Estimated_Prophet Registered User

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    Button is a dimwit and a joke amongst actual scouts.......so is Pronman for that matter.
     
  6. ValorJames

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    Here Button list from 2012.

    1. Justin Schultz Jul. 6/90 D R 6'2/185 Edmonton Oklahoma (AHL)
    2. Evgeny Kuznetsov May 19/92 C L 6'3/187 Washington,Traktor(KHL)
    3.Vladimir Tarasenko Dec. 13/91 RW L 6'0/201 St.LouisSaintPetersbury(KHL)
    4. Morgan Rielly Mar. 9/94 D L 6'0/200 Toronto Moose Jaw (WHL)
    5. Nail Yakupov Oct. 6/93 RW L 5'11/183 Edmonton Neftekhimik (KHL)
    6. Alex Galchenyuk Feb. 12/94 C L 6'0/194 Montreal Sarnia (OHL)
    7. Mark Scheifele Mar. 15/93 C R 6'3/187 Winnipeg Barrie (OHL)
    8. Sven Baertschi Oct. 5/92 RW L 5'11/189 Calgary Abbotsford (AHL)
    9. Jonathan Huberdeau Jun. 4/93 LW L 6'1/176 Florida,Saint John (QMJHL)
    10. Ryan Strome Jun. 11/93 C R 6'1/192 NY Islanders Niagara (OHL)
    11. Brett Ritchie Jul. 1/93 RW R 6'4/218 Dallas Niagara (OHL)
    12. Dougie Hamilton Jun. 17/93 D R 6'5/205 Boston Niagara (OHL)
    13. Mikael Granlund Feb. 26/92 C L 5'10/180 Minnesota Houston (AHL)
    14. Nick Bjugstad Jul. 17/92 C R 6'5/212 Florida Minnesota (WCHA)
    15. Malcolm Subban Dec. 21/93 G L 6'1/195 Boston Belleville (OHL)
    16. Jakob Silfverberg Oct. 13/90 RW R 6'0/197 Ottawa,Binghamton (AHL)
    17. Jonas Brodin Jul. 12/93 D L 6'1/170 Minnesota Houston (AHL)
    18. Oscar Klefbom Jul. 20/93 D L 6'3/201 Edmonton Farjestads (SWE)
    19. Calle Jarnkrok Sept. 25/91 C R 6'0/176 Detroit Brynas (SWE)
    20. John Gaudreau Aug. 13/93 LW L 5'8/153 Calgary,Boston College (HE)
    21. Jacob Trouba Feb. 26/94 D R 6'2/187 Winnipeg USNDTP (USHL)
    22. Austin Watson Jan. 13/92 C R 6'3/202 Nashville Milwaukee (AHL)
    23. Mika Zibanejad Apr. 18/93 C R 6'2/200 Ottawa Binghamton (AHL)
    24. Andrei Vasilevski Jul. 25/94 G L 6'3/210 Tampa Bay,Tolpar (MHL)
    25. Hampus Lindholm Jan. 20/94 D L 6'3/195 Anaheim Norfolk (AHL)
    26. Ryan Muray Sept. 27/93 D L 6'0/199 Columbus Everett (WHL)
    27.Filip Forsberg Aug. 13/94 LW R 6'1/188 Washington,Leksands (SWE)
    28. Mikhail Grigorenko May 16/94 C L 6'3/200 Buffalo Quebec (QMJHL)
    29. Jaden Schwartz Jun. 25/92 RW L 5'9/190 St. Louis Peoria (AHL)
    30. Boone Jenner Jun. 15/93 C L 6'2/205 Columbus Oshawa (OHL)

    He doesn't nail the correct order of who will become the best talent but as far as identifying future NHL regulars I think he does a great job.
    Just because your favorite prospect doesn't make his list or you think his order of placing prospects is wrong doesn't make Button a idiot as most posters are saying.
    He was a NHL scout so that eliminates 99.9% of posters here as far as experience goes. Sure I have my opinions about certain prospect and I call it as I see but in no way do I think or pretend to be a scout.

    To me Button has balls. He doesn't just pick the fans favorite prospect but actual looks at all these prospects and comes to his own conclusion....right or wrong and most cases he right on who will make the NHL.
     
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  7. covfefe

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    Sure, I have no idea. I'm not a scout, don't pretend to be. I do know, though, that this wouldn't be the first time an idiot gets paid too much money to have ridiculous and inane opinions

    this is bang on for me. If history has taught us anything it is that unpopular opinions are exactly that, unpopular. Until they are right.

    That they are often wrong really defines the enjoyable part of following upcoming prospects..

    There really are too many strongheaded posters who think they speak the gospel truth on these boards, though
     
  8. marvelousmotion

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    Not surprised about Hudon, he always flies under the radar (even here in Montreal). Button probably doesn't know him that well and hasn't watched him play closely. There are so many prospects out there; it's easy to overlook a 5th round draft pick from an organization that you don't follow full time.

    For McCarron, maybe Button ranked him lower because he took into account the flawed points total he had for him (16 points vs. 30 points).
     
  9. Habsawce

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    He's having a breakout year in St. Johns. He's a solid player, worth a watch.
     
  10. JLP

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    I remember when you confidently thought Desharnais would be an elite player and used to champion him in his threads. And you love Ghetto and Reway.

    I'm a huge Pateryn fan too it's disappointing he doesn't get to play hockey much this season.
     
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    Well in fact my opinion is mostly based on training camps and statwatching lol. I infortunately (or fortunately :sarcasm: ) don't have much occasion to watch our farm team but Grégoire is more of a "crush" from when he was playing for le Drakkar, always hoped he would become a really capable 4th liner with leadership for us. Bozon well for obvious reasons has been set back a bit but maybe patience will pay. :)

    Btw don't know much about the new guys, Lessio and Friberg... what are your thoughts? I know you follow the Ice Caps and generally have very good inputs on the subject. I don't know anything about them and I missed the game when Lessio played with the Habs...
     
  12. Toene

    Toene "Che" Weber

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    For a guy that follows prospects as an occupation to not know about the rookie that scored a hat-trick at the last AHL all star-game and had a very good year in St-Johns... :help:
     
  13. Zalos

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    He flies under the radar for a simple reason: he sucks. He's yet another David Desharnais, but with less vision and skill. I can guarantee you he will be the next scapegoat on these boards in the future.
     
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    Ellis must be having good year. But I don't know, don't follow AHL
     
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    Well, I could have make a similar list by looking at hockeydb and without watching a single game.

    That being said, he's more knowledge than me in that department, but that doesn't make him a good scout by any mean.
     
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    What about Nygren guys? I know that he'll probably never play for us but he's still one of our best prospect IMO. In front of Ellis for sure.

    Hudon
    McCarron
    Lehkonen
    Juulsen
    Nygren
    Scherbak
    Reway

    For me they are all pretty close to each other... so take it with a grain of salt.
     
  17. expy

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    Habs ****** management extends to the IceCaps..

    They can't coach and develop players for ****.
     
  18. MGK

    MGK Floating on a cloud in cap heaven

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    Aren't those all top 15 picks aside from Subban, Ritchie and Schultz?
     
  19. montreal

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    for sure, going to be interesting to see what happens with him next year.

    I also liked what I saw from Grégoire while playing for le Drakkar, that's why I've been so disappointed as I thought he would show a lot more then he has. Hopefully he can use this as a learning experience and work that much harder this off-season. Bozon has shown some flashes so if he can make the AHL roster next year then hopefully he starts to put it together as we know he has some decent hands/shot.

    Lessio wasn't too impressive other then how damn fast he is for a bigger guy. He has some offensive skill but the problem looks like he's not skilled enough for a top 6 role and he needs to improve his defensive and physical game if he's going to make it in a bottom 6 role. Friberg is the opposite, he's been good on the PK and plays a safe sound game but doesn't look to have that much skill, although I still need to see more of him. He works hard and while not a big guy he's got a compact frame. He might be able to be a depth guy that fills in on the bottom lines, unless his offensive game picks up and he finds his way onto the 3rd line but I would think that would likely happen on a non playoff team.

    Did Hudon suck last year when on a bad Hamilton team he was at one point among the top scorers in the entire AHL? He has nothing to do with DD, although I do agree he will be a scapegoat at some point in the future as I've never seen a Hab that fans didn't turn on at some point. We had the best player in the NHL last season but their was a time when fans here were pissed he wasn't the one traded and he was even booed in a preseason game. This is likely the best and worst market in hockey to play for. The fans and media are totally nuts, bi-polar, whatever you want to call it. They live and die with this team so much so that when things are good they are happy but when things go bad they turn faster and harder then any other group of fans I've ever seen.

    He's got more goals this year then he did in 3 years in Hamilton combined. Only 1 defensemen in the AHL has more goals then Ellis, TJ Brennan and he plays for the highest scoring team in the AHL and has been named the best defensemen in the AHL in the past 2 years.

    Imo Nygren is still one of our top 10 prospects if you discount what has happened with him in Hamilton. In terms of skill he's clearly up there as he's one of the best defensemen in the SHL.

    For me I still have Scherbak at the top and here's how I see our 4 best prospects,

    Scherbak
    McCarron
    Hudon
    Juulsen
     
  20. hototogisu

    hototogisu Poked the bear!!!!!

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    That's a pretty flimsy argument IMO...if the order doesn't count for anything then pretty much anybody with a basic knowledge of current prospects could do just as well picking 30 of them that will at least become NHLers.
     
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    How can someone be disapointed with Grégoire at this point? The kid is the second youngest player on the team, 4 months older than Scherbak. He was picked at the end of the 6th round. So nobody is expecting a first liner in the NHL out of him. If he becomes a good bottom-6 player it will be great. The kid is just 20, so there is plenty of time for him to developp. This year was just an introduction to the pro level. He played on the 4th line all year, so his offensive numbers are irrelevant.

    One overlooked prospect is Fucale. Many thought he would be in the ECHL this year. Except for a few ba games I think he showed that he is for real. The good thing with him is that the organization will be able to take all the time needed with him. No rush.
     
  22. montreal

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    I'm disappointed in him cause he's looked terrible, behind the play and almost zero production. I under that he's a 20 year old rookie, but I expected him to show a bit more. Of course no one is expecting a 1st liner out of him but if he doesn't progress he's not even a good AHLer at this point and that's at least somewhat concerning. In no way am I writing him off, as I always say not to write off any prospects, just look at Ellis, a guy that was all but done in the organization after they sent him to the ECHL in his 3rd pro season and then didn't even bother to recall him when injuries/call ups hit until the end of the season when they lost more then half their blueline. Granted we don't know if Ellis has an NHL future but plenty of posters gave up on him and now he's having a breakout year. You just never know, that said there's no harm in being disappointed when they don't play well at all.

    Fucale is a tough one, perhaps the toughest to get a read on. He's clearly done better then his stats show and from what I expected from him, but still has rebound problems and not the best glove. If he works on those things I do think in a few years he could be a decent NHL goalie.
     
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    Completely disagree, they are different players. Hudon is a much more well-rounded player than Desharnais. He is quite versatile and has more than one tool in his toolbox. While Desharnais is a unidimensional pass-first offensive player, Hudon can be an effective two-way player with his hockey smarts.

    You might argue that Desharnais is a better passer, but there is no doubt that Hudon is more unpredictable offensively. In addition to be able to slow the game down to make plays, he has a surprisingly good shot and isn't afraid to use it.
     
  24. PernellsWhiteAmi

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    Yeah Santini would be a stretch, but Zacha and Ritchie are no-brainers.
     
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    Button is supposed to be one of the top guys at doing this. Is he right 100 % of the time,no, who is? Pretty easy to go back in hindsight and criticize him. boo hoo, his projections aren't the same as mine. Thing is his projections are better than 99.9 % of guys on here so get over it.
     

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