Brett Pesce or Matt Dumba

[AintLifeGrand]

Hell No- not a fan of his character at all

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Hell No- not a fan of his character at all

Whose character and why?

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Hell No- not a fan of his character at all

Weren't you always clamoring for us to sign Evander Kane?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Well, the Philly DeAngelo buyout is kind of an interesting twist on the whole Pesce/Karlsson scenario... maybe? I always wondered WTF Carolina would want DeAngelo for, anyway. Over the last few weeks, we just kind of tacitly assumed they already had a trade in place for him. But if they did, it has now been yanked!

Does that mean they think there is still a way to get Karlsson? Does that mean we could still weaponize Cap space and walk away with Pesce?

 

[nine_inch_fang]

I don't care if he is the Captain, if I'm the coach or the GM I'd be damned if any player dictated to me who or where they played. They could get the heck out of dodge if that's what they think.

I think those kinds of privileges came with the Country Club membership card?

Maybe that has been revoked now, we can hope!

It seemed that Hynes was trying to do just that when he first came here but as the push back from the players continued it just became a toxic type relationship and shit spiraled with no way to move on from the situation.

Trotz has found a way out of the situation that Poile never would have. Poile may have fired Hynes but never would have blown up the CC like Trotz has.

 

[ShagDaddy]

I wonder how much Josi will still be allowed to dictate things? I get the feeling he was given more than a little leeway in the past to choose his own partner. He wanted Ellis. For some bizarre reason, when they obviously clashed as player types. Maybe he decided he didn't want Fabbro, even after that big year? Which the Hynes/Poile duo might just have gone along with and tried their various "Fails" to accede to Josi's wishes?

Fabbro obviously worked well with him. But given how far out of the way the team went to avoid reuniting them last season, I suspect it would be a little naive to hope for any change on that front.

Where did you get this information?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

It seemed that Hynes was trying to do just that when he first came here but as the push back from the players continued it just became a toxic type relationship and shit spiraled with no way to move on from the situation.

Trotz has found a way out of the situation that Poile never would have. Poile may have fired Hynes but never would have blown up the CC like Trotz has.

Yeah, the buyouts and retention were NEVER on our radar with Poile. We sometimes thought that might just be an ownership/financial thing. Now we know it wasn't.

Where did you get this information?

Do you honestly think it is presented as "information"??? I mean, c'mon...

 

[ShagDaddy]

Yeah, the buyouts and retention were NEVER on our radar with Poile. We sometimes thought that might just be an ownership/financial thing. Now we know it wasn't.


Do you honestly think it is presented as "information"??? I mean, c'mon...

So it’s conjecture? Trying to understand where it came from.

 

[AintLifeGrand]

Weren't you always clamoring for us to sign Evander Kane?

im not trying to get into politics but if you must know, go research his disrespectful and tasteless anthem kneeling antics

Well, the Philly DeAngelo buyout is kind of an interesting twist on the whole Pesce/Karlsson scenario... maybe? I always wondered WTF Carolina would want DeAngelo for, anyway. Over the last few weeks, we just kind of tacitly assumed they already had a trade in place for him. But if they did, it has now been yanked!

Does that mean they think there is still a way to get Karlsson? Does that mean we could still weaponize Cap space and walk away with Pesce?

would love DeAngelo on the squad

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

im not trying to get into politics but if you must know, go research his disrespectful and tasteless anthem kneeling antics


would love DeAngelo on the squad

So a Canadian guy using his platform to "protest racial inequality" by kneeling for the national anthem (and was supported by other players and teammates in this) is a worse character than the guy with multiple allegations of assault, severe gambling issues, abandonment of his wife/child, asking partners to have abortions, violating team protocols, etc...?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

would love DeAngelo on the squad

You would love Tony DeAngelo and his... universally acknowledged abrasively self-centered attitude... on our hockey team? I mean, this would basically be so diametrically opposed to everything Trotz has ever said that I can't imagine how you could reconcile that desire with cheering for what Barry Trotz stands for?

So it’s conjecture? Trying to understand where it came from.

Ok, so you are new to the internet and to these kinds of forums. I apologize for thinking you might know what this is all about. We are a bunch of hockey geeks here, posting random stuff pulled out of our own posteriors. All of us. All the time. There is nothing posted here, ever, that comes from anywhere but our own cavernous bowels. Once you can accept that, welcome!

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Ok, so you are new to the internet and to these kinds of forums. I apologize for thinking you might know what this is all about. We are a bunch of hockey geeks here, posting random stuff pulled out of our own posteriors. All of us. All the time. There is nothing posted here, ever, that comes from anywhere but our own cavernous bowels. Once you can accept that, welcome!

He asked a clarifying question that seemed in good faith. This is unnecessary.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

He asked a clarifying question that seemed in good faith. This is unnecessary.

Good lord, no he did not.

 

[ShagDaddy]

He asked a clarifying question that seemed in good faith. This is unnecessary.

It’s all good.

It’s replies like this that help me separate the people that provide good knowledgeable input to the conversation and the people that are clueless and just make $h!t up.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

It’s all good.

It’s replies like this that help me separate the people that provide good knowledgeable input to the conversation and the people that are clueless and just make $h!t up.

EVERYBODY here just makes shit up. If you think you don't, you are just fooling yourself!

 

[Armourboy]

It’s all good.

It’s replies like this that help me separate the people that provide good knowledgeable input to the conversation and the people that are clueless and just make $h!t up.

For what it's worth its a notion that has been around for a while in rumors, and has kind of been backed up by different moves and events over the years.

Him and Ellis were tied at the hip, now some of that may have been because Ekholm and Subban worked pretty well together, but up until the moment he was traded he was always Josi's partner. Then you get into odd ball stuff like him having the best season of his career with Fabbro and then Fabbro being everywhere but with Josi and you start to ponder was it just Hynes or did Josi not really want to play with him?

Unless someone like Hynes comes out and confirms it, which he will never do, no one really can have proof, but when you consider the CC status, the " player meetings " where the CC would go right back to their spots, you can't exactly leave out the player at the top of the group.

Considering the amount of cap space Trotz blew moving what he could, and the dollars the owners will spend paying guys that won't be playing here, I don't know how anyone can't assume that as the Captain Josi might have been doing things that could be considered part of the problem.

I don't believe for a second that Duchene and Joey were the only problem players.

 

[ShagDaddy]

For what it's worth its a notion that has been around for a while in rumors, and has kind of been backed up by different moves and events over the years.

Him and Ellis were tied at the hip, now some of that may have been because Ekholm and Subban worked pretty well together, but up until the moment he was traded he was always Josi's partner. Then you get into odd ball stuff like him having the best season of his career with Fabbro and then Fabbro being everywhere but with Josi and you start to ponder was it just Hynes or did Josi not really want to play with him?

Unless someone like Hynes comes out and confirms it, which he will never do, no one really can have proof, but when you consider the CC status, the " player meetings " where the CC would go right back to their spots, you can't exactly leave out the player at the top of the group.

Considering the amount of cap space Trotz blew moving what he could, and the dollars the owners will spend paying guys that won't be playing here, I don't know how anyone can't assume that as the Captain Josi might have been doing things that could be considered part of the problem.

I don't believe for a second that Duchene and Joey were the only problem players.

If a player has the best season of his career, the logical mindset would be to continue what they we’re doing to achieve that level of success. Until someone can provide definitive proof otherwise, I refuse to believe Josi didn’t want Fabbro as his defensive partner.

I won’t assume Josi wasn’t part of the problem. I do know there were nights when the team wasn’t playing well and he tried to do too much to overcompensate for it which isn’t typically indicative of a person who has a lackadaisical attitude.

 

[maplepred]

It’s all good.

It’s replies like this that help me separate the people that provide good knowledgeable input to the conversation and the people that are clueless and just make $h!t up.

Porter is usually very insightful with a great perspective on things and I quite enjoy reading his messages. Just sayin,

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Porter is usually very insightful with a great perspective on things and I quite enjoy reading his messages. Just sayin,

I don't even feel that way. I am just "shootin' the shit" tbh. I would bang heads with myself if I was another poster. But thanks!

 

[Armourboy]

If a player has the best season of his career, the logical mindset would be to continue what they we’re doing to achieve that level of success. Until someone can provide definitive proof otherwise, I refuse to believe Josi didn’t want Fabbro as his defensive partner.

I won’t assume Josi wasn’t part of the problem. I do know there were nights when the team wasn’t playing well and he tried to do too much to overcompensate for it which isn’t typically indicative of a person who has a lackadaisical attitude.

Well logic went out the door with someone, and with the way Hynes was moving everyone around it's a little telling to me that he wouldn't go back to what worked in the previous season. Now I get Hynes was fired for a reason, and I don't think he is an NHL level coach, but for a guy that was willing to throw anything at a wall to try and make it stick why did he never throw that at the wall? This is the same guy that would put the Herd line back together as default when things weren't working, so why was he not willing to put Fabbro back with Josi?

Something isn't adding up in all of this and I find it hard to believe that it was all Hynes, but maybe he really was that bad.

 

[ShagDaddy]

Well logic went out the door with someone, and with the way Hynes was moving everyone around it's a little telling to me that he wouldn't go back to what worked in the previous season. Now I get Hynes was fired for a reason, and I don't think he is an NHL level coach, but for a guy that was willing to throw anything at a wall to try and make it stick why did he never throw that at the wall? This is the same guy that would put the Herd line back together as default when things weren't working, so why was he not willing to put Fabbro back with Josi?

Something isn't adding up in all of this and I find it hard to believe that it was all Hynes, but maybe he really was that bad.

Hynes had a much shorter leash with young players. It didn’t take much of a mistake by a young player to get put in the press box or dropped down the lineup. That seems like a much more logical explanation than Josi dictating the lineup.

 

[AintLifeGrand]

So a Canadian guy using his platform to "protest racial inequality" by kneeling for the national anthem (and was supported by other players and teammates in this) is a worse character than the guy with multiple allegations of assault, severe gambling issues, abandonment of his wife/child, asking partners to have abortions, violating team protocols, etc...?

Yea it shows how much of an idiot he is. A black hockey player making millions and living a life 99.9% better than the rest of humanity in the freest and greatest country on earth.

Gucci Kane has at least tried to better himself and loves America.

Dumba's also washed and was on Elite Prospects do not sign list

 

[Armourboy]

Hynes had a much shorter leash with young players. It didn’t take much of a mistake by a young player to get put in the press box or dropped down the lineup. That seems like a much more logical explanation than Josi dictating the lineup.

Could be, but we don't know the truth either. All I know is Josi was the Captain, and he did next to nothing to put a stop to the attitudes that were running wild on this team for years. Poile didn't either for that matter.

 

[maplepred]

I don't even feel that way. I am just "shootin' the shit" tbh. I would bang heads with myself if I was another poster. But thanks!

Or maybe it’s just that we have the same twisted opinions towards a lot of the same stuff haha

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Yea it shows how much of an idiot he is. A black hockey player making millions and living a life 99.9% better than the rest of humanity in the freest and greatest country on earth.

Gucci Kane has at least tried to better himself and loves America.

Dumba's also washed and was on Elite Prospects do not sign list

Huh. Alright then.