Brett Hull vs. Jaromir Jagr GOAL SCORING

[WingsFan95]

Pretty fine balance when you consider Jagr missed time due to KHL but Hull started his career late and possibly lost steam late due to a full year lockout.

Easy pick for Hull in terms of peak while Jagr gets the old man bump and lower scoring league seasons, overall though:

Jagr: 766 Goals in 1733 Games (.442)
Hull: 741 Goals in 1269 Games (.582)

Jagr: 2nd x4, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 9th, 12th
27 Goals at age 43 leading his team which made playoffs

Hull: 1st x3, 2nd, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 14th x2, 19th
8th and 14th finish at age 36 & 38


So as you can see Hull had the higher per game and lead the league 3 times however there is the league scoring aspect and the drop off where we see Jagr technically having the same amount of Top 2 finishes while having a 3rd and 4th place finish ahead of Hull's 5th best season being 6th whereas Jagr has another one at that placement plus a 12th place finish over Hull's 14th (shared with others). Put another way here they are:

HULL-HULL-HILL
JAGR-JAGR-JAGR-JAGR-HULL
JAGR
JAGR
JAGR-HULL
HULL
JAGR-HULL
HULL
JAGR
HULL-HULL
HULL


So again it's pretty damn close.

As for teammate support, both players had plenty in their best years but Jagr as mentioned was leading teams in his 40s that were far from expected contenders while Hull was essentially a mercenary on very primed teams pre Cap.

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[jetsforever]

Hull

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Hull by a lot

 

[Felidae]

Hull's goalscoring peak was just so much better that Jagr's slight edge in consistency can't make up for it.

And if we're just talking about ability, I don't think there was a single type of shot Jagr was better at than Hull. Except maybe backhand.

 

[authentic]

Very clearly Hull

 

[GoldenSeal]

This is such a hard one for me. I love Hull and think he has a much higher level that he doesn't tap into but I have to go with Jagr. If you want to say Hull's had better seasons, I'm with that, but overall? Jagr.

 

[Hammman]

Moo

What do most of these have to do with scoring goals?

 

[GoldenSeal]

What do most of these have to do with scoring goals?

Jagr scored more goals in his career than Hull, granted he played a lot more seasons than Hull, tho he edges out Jagr in the playoffs lol

 

[WingsFan95]

Didn't expect such a lopsided poll. I think if you look at it from a 10-15 year perspective it is indeed Jagr being more reliable and the raw numbers are in Hull's favor due to league scoring, having Oates/Shanahan (Brown on defense not bad, underrated) in those top Blues seasons than stacked Dallas ans Detroit teams.

I mean, I just don't see Hull having any substantial margin and Jagr's scoring in his freaking 40s with that mileage on his body on much lower talented teams. My opinion of course I'm just looking at the other angle on this.

 

[daver]

Didn't expect such a lopsided poll. I think if you look at it from a 10-15 year perspective it is indeed Jagr being more reliable and the raw numbers are in Hull's favor due to league scoring, having Oates/Shanahan (Brown on defense not bad, underrated) in those top Blues seasons than stacked Dallas ans Detroit teams.

I mean, I just don't see Hull having any substantial margin and Jagr's scoring in his freaking 40s with that mileage on his body on much lower talented teams. My opinion of course I'm just looking at the other angle on this.

Peak ability/performance is reasonably the primary metric to consider.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Hull, by a lot

 

[Toby91ca]

Didn't expect such a lopsided poll. I think if you look at it from a 10-15 year perspective it is indeed Jagr being more reliable and the raw numbers are in Hull's favor due to league scoring, having Oates/Shanahan (Brown on defense not bad, underrated) in those top Blues seasons than stacked Dallas ans Detroit teams.

I mean, I just don't see Hull having any substantial margin and Jagr's scoring in his freaking 40s with that mileage on his body on much lower talented teams. My opinion of course I'm just looking at the other angle on this.

I was expecting a significantly lobsided result here, rightly or wrongly....it's probably due to Hull being seen simply a s sniper, that's who he is. I actually never saw Jagr as a pure goal scorer like Hull....it's somewhat surprising how many goals he has.....though....he did play a ton of games.

Jagr scored more goals in his career than Hull, granted he played a lot more seasons than Hull, tho he edges out Jagr in the playoffs lol

Mike Gartner scored more goals in his career than Bobby Hull and Mario Lemieux and while Gartner was a great goal scorer, I wouldn't rank him higher than those two

 

[HolyHagelin]

Hull had Oates as his best center, Jagr had freaking Super Mario. Jags was great for the Rangers but the “homer bump” doesn’t get him to Hull’s level.

There was a sentiment in the Pittsburgh cup years that Jagr was the best finisher in the league, but again… Mario was his center.

ETA: Hull had 5 consecutive seasons of at least 54 goals, a number Jagr hit twice.

 

[Cup or Bust]

Hull was definitely the better goal scorer, Both his wrist shot and slapshot were absolute cannons but Jagr was definitely the better player.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Excellent data in the OP. Well done.

Great longevity in both cases.

But Hull has the peak and so I think that tips the scale in his favor.

 

[Regal]

I think Jagr is underrated as a goal scorer because he never ended up leading the league and Hull is maybe a little overrated due to his peak. If you look at their careers outside of their 3 best goalscoring seasons, it’s probably Jagr. But I think that peak is just too much to ignore. I think to some degree we can attribute Jagr being a better goal scorer outside of peak to simply being the better offensive player overall which allowed him to maintain a high level for longer.

 

[dr robbie]

Pretty clearly Hull here.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

I think Jagr is underrated as a goal scorer because he never ended up leading the league and Hull is maybe a little overrated due to his peak. If you look at their careers outside of their 3 best goalscoring seasons, it’s probably Jagr. But I think that peak is just too much to ignore. I think to some degree we can attribute Jagr being a better goal scorer outside of peak to simply being the better offensive player overall which allowed him to maintain a high level for longer.

Agreed. I'd describe this as "clear but close". In other words - I don't think there's a huge gap between them. But at the same time, I don't see a good argument for Jagr either. Hull's peak gives him the edge.

For what it's worth, I have Hull ranked probably the 9th greatest goal-scorer all-time. I have Jagr somewhere around 10th to 12th.

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

I'm a huge fan of Jagr, but... the answer is clearly Brett Hull.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Shut it down

Jagr is already dead

 

[bobholly39]

It's Hull.

All-time for Goal-scoring for my top 10 I go:

Tier 1:

Ovechkin/Gretzky/Lemieux/Hull (Bobby). Those are top 4 - in some order, possibly this one.

Tier 2:

Maurice Richard/Gordie Howe (in order)

Tier 3:

Bossy/Hull/Esposito/Bure. I feel good about Bossy at 7 and Bure at 10 - but between Brett Hull and Esposito I could see either/or order.

Jagr is definitely top 15 all-time, he might even be as high as 11 or 12, not sure...but still definitely behind Brett Hull.

For what it's worth - Matthews is surpassing Pavel Bure for sure - possibly already has. We'll see how high he reaches, but if he continues at his pace for much longer, he could go quite high up on this list.

 

[bobbyking]

not even close

 

[DomBarr]

Hull is the better goal scorer without a doubt. Jagr is the way better player by an even larger margin.

 

[ScaredStreit]

Goal scoring is clearly Hull. Overall player is clearly Jagr.

 

[tarheelhockey]

the raw numbers are in Hull's favor due to league scoring,

It’s not just raw numbers, though.

From 1990-92, this is the goal scoring chart:

Brett Hull - 228
Steve Yzerman - 158
Pat LaFontaine/Luc Robitaille - 141

That’s a 48% lead on the rest of the NHL over a three year period, which is nearly unprecedented.

Comparisons:
Peak Alex Ovechkin 2013-15 - 40%
Peak Mario Lemieux 1987-89 - 34%
Peak Wayne Gretzky 1982-84 - 43%
Peak Mike Bossy 1979-81 - 11%
Peak Guy Lafleur 1976-78 - 12%
Peak Phil Esposito 1971-73 - 59%
Peak Bobby Hull 1966-68 - 43%
Peak Maurice Richard 1945-47 - 54%

Peak Jaromir Jagr 1999-01 - 7%

having Oates/Shanahan (Brown on defense not bad, underrated) in those top Blues seasons than stacked Dallas ans Detroit teams.

And Jagr played on arguably the most offensively potent team of all time.