Post-Game Talk: Brandon Sutter; a better goal scorer than Vrbata || Canucks lose 4-3

[kanucks25]

Bump.

What do you mean? You have it right: Sutter > McCann > Burrows > McCann

They didn't lose possession and Sutter was the second last player to touch the puck before the goal scorer so he gets the second assist. It doesn't matter that McCann touched the puck in between.

 

[F A N]

McCann is such a weird case study here...

On the one hand...he's looked like one of our more dangerous forwards offensively, and has the goals to show for it. He's made a ton of outstanding offensive plays. And he's made a ton of very strong defensive plays as well.

But he's also had moments of confusion, and moments of being simply overpowered.

I'm all for more audition. He doesn't look "lost" by any means. He's generally able to keep pace, and he wins a lot more puck battles than you'd expect, due to a smart stick and smart positioning - which is probably always going to be his hallmark as an NHLer anyway.

It's called being a rookie.

 

[Hardyvan123]

Not sure the Blues deserved that game, but they got it. Vrbata needs to start potting a few.

Seriously?

what game were you watching?

The 4-3 score flattered the Canucks, their top players were pretty much invisible and the core is very very done.

The start of the season and playoffs against Calgary has the Sedins in pretty obvious decline.

Horvat is being saddled with his wingers and assignments as well.

Vrbata is invisible out there, that has to change just to get some trade value.

Those dreams of a first rounder for his rental at the deadline are jut that at this point, dreams.

 

[JuniorNelson]

Canucks do not have much of a power play. There is nobody to man the point.

Canucks youngsters did not quit on this game which is awesome and welcome. I hope they don't start quitting early like the core does sometimes.

What's become very obvious with the emergence of the kids, is that the vets seem done. So done! Some vets just do not fit in, any more. Not sure if they are being kept to mentor? Coaching from behind the play seems unnecessary, though, so far.

Desjardins is still searching for a formula. It will become apparent who is being propped up. Supporting failing elders is not a hockey thing. Benning has some serious things to think about.

 

[Hardyvan123]

Virtanen isn't being given much of an opportunity. I would argue McCann with 10 minutes of ice time isn't being given much either. He scored his second goal of the season and was an even rating. Haven't seen the advanced stats though.

I like having both rookies on the team and want both to remain. They will have their ups and downs, and I accept that. I don't expect these guys to come in here and have the kind of impact Crosby or Ovechkin had as rookies. Keep them here. Let them develop and gain some experience and we'll be better for it in the long run.

I think it's time to develop the young guys but if it's at 10 MPG I wouldn't do it that way, or at least send them to the WJHC like Boston did with Pastrank last season.

Kids gotta play to improve and the press box revolution is something that I'm not a fan of if you want your young guys to succeed.

 

[rune74]

Seriously?

what game were you watching?

The 4-3 score flattered the Canucks, their top players were pretty much invisible and the core is very very done.

The start of the season and playoffs against Calgary has the Sedins in pretty obvious decline.

Horvat is being saddled with his wingers and assignments as well.

Vrbata is invisible out there, that has to change just to get some trade value.

Those dreams of a first rounder for his rental at the deadline are jut that at this point, dreams.

One game that went bad....do we hold it to the same standards that we held the other 4 games or is it now considered the benchmark?

 

[Taelin]

Seriously?

what game were you watching?

The 4-3 score flattered the Canucks, their top players were pretty much invisible and the core is very very done.

The start of the season and playoffs against Calgary has the Sedins in pretty obvious decline.

Horvat is being saddled with his wingers and assignments as well.

Vrbata is invisible out there, that has to change just to get some trade value.

Those dreams of a first rounder for his rental at the deadline are jut that at this point, dreams.

 

[Hardyvan123]

That's great for fantasy purposes but any watching of that 11 Game sample and it's pretty clear that my post has validity right?

Ya that's great but it's obvious that Daniel isn't an elite goal scorer any more and that was evident last season as well with too much of his production in 4 on 4 OT and on empty net points.

This team isn't any closer this year to playoff success IMO, despite the good start there are too many signs that when other teams crank it up the Canucks can't respond in kind.

 

[Hardyvan123]

I never understood why Oilers fans such as yourself make a home here in the Canucks section. Boredom with your own team or what ?

You are so off base here, but as usual there is zero response to the post and it's personal...

WTF?

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

You are so off base here, but as usual there is zero response to the post and it's personal...

WTF?

I could say the same for at least 50% of your posts, but I'll give you credit as they usually contain twice as much ********.

 

[coldsteel79]

So coming back from 4-1 to make it 4-3 as opposed to shutting it down for the night isn't a response?

 

[Taelin]

That's great for fantasy purposes but any watching of that 11 Game sample and it's pretty clear that my post has validity right?

Ya that's great but it's obvious that Daniel isn't an elite goal scorer any more and that was evident last season as well with too much of his production in 4 on 4 OT and on empty net points.

This team isn't any closer this year to playoff success IMO, despite the good start there are too many signs that when other teams crank it up the Canucks can't respond in kind.

You don't want players to score in OT?

And the Sedins aren't usually the ones out on empty net points.

 

[arsmaster*]

The Sutter with the twins experiment reminds me of the kassian with the twins to start AV's final season here. Sutter is playing a ton more than he should and is being made to look good but the twins look desperately like they want Vrbata.

The PP look also stinks. Get Sutter off that top unit and dress Weber.

Vrbata is being wasted on the back door and Sutter is getting the chances in the prime areas you'd like to see vrbata get.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

So coming back from 4-1 to make it 4-3 as opposed to shutting it down for the night isn't a response?

I watch games with my mom, and I told her "The biggest difference now and then is we don't look like we are completely complacent being down a few goals". I think that's a huge difference. We won't take it lying down. It's about pride. Me as a player, I know, hell, we'll probably lose, but I'd rather lose 5-4 with the team winning say, hey, they gave us a scare rather than losing 7-2 and having the team feeling like they ran away with it.

 

[arsmaster*]

You don't want players to score in OT?

And the Sedins aren't usually the ones out on empty net points.

Pretty sure 4 or 5 of Henrik's goals were empty netters last year.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

The Sutter with the twins experiment reminds me of the kassian with the twins to start AV's final season here. Sutter is playing a ton more than he should and is being made to look good but the twins look desperately like they want Vrbata.

The PP look also stinks. Get Sutter off that top unit and dress Weber.

Vrbata is being wasted on the back door and Sutter is getting the chances in the prime areas you'd like to see vrbata get.

I like Sutter, but it's just embaressing these last few power plays when he has been on the point with Edler.

 

[arsmaster*]

I like Sutter, but it's just embaressing these last few power plays when he has been on the point with Edler.

Sutter is doing very well. I hate him with the twins though. Reeks of justifying the acquisition.

Interesting to see desjardins playing him 21+ a night.

 

[Taelin]

Pretty sure 4 or 5 of Henrik's goals were empty netters last year.

That would bump him down to 68 points, assuming it was 5 empty net goals. That's still pretty damn good, especially in today's NHL.

Assuming other players around him don't have any empty net points, Henrik was 21st in points last year.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Sutter is doing very well. I hate him with the twins though. Reeks of justifying the acquisition.

Interesting to see desjardins playing him 21+ a night.

Sutter has literally become the center version of Hansen. He's completely adequate at most everything, but there are players in the lineup that can do everything better than he. I'm not saying he's obsolete because he has his spot in the lineup still, but he's a complete tool box without a handle, y'know? Where does he fit in? He has everything to fit in, but he's a missing piece in and of himself. Great player, but where do you slot him? He's not a 4th liner, but I don't think he's a regular top 6er either.

 

[coldsteel79]

He's a durable player but that might be pushing it

 

[Taelin]

Sutter is doing very well. I hate him with the twins though. Reeks of justifying the acquisition.

Interesting to see desjardins playing him 21+ a night.

I'd leave him there just to stick it to Vrbata.

You can't go and pout while giving no effort every time you can't play with the Sedins.

 

[arsmaster*]

I'd leave him there just to stick it to Vrbata.

You can't go and pout while giving no effort every time you can't play with the Sedins.

Vrbata is playing fine. The puck just isn't going in.

 

[arsmaster*]

Sutter has literally become the center version of Hansen. He's completely adequate at most everything, but there are players in the lineup that can do everything better than he. I'm not saying he's obsolete because he has his spot in the lineup still, but he's a complete tool box without a handle, y'know? Where does he fit in? He has everything to fit in, but he's a missing piece in and of himself. Great player, but where do you slot him? He's not a 4th liner, but I don't think he's a regular top 6er either.

Well put. Can't really complain about the production at the moment though.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

That would bump him down to 68 points, assuming it was 5 empty net goals. That's still pretty damn good, especially in today's NHL.

Assuming other players around him don't have any empty net points, Henrik was 21st in points last year.

Pffffffffffft, arse is a smart guy. But that reasoning is stupid at least to me. Points are points. They are counted one and the same. Many scoring titles could be disputed for EN points. But they aren't. Because that is the be-all, end-all. Many believe that points on empty nets can be transferred on goals that should have counted for some reason didn't, I don't believe that personally. I just think points are points. Backes missed a gimme EN last night. It's not shooting fish into a barrel. It's more like shooting fish into a barrel with cocaine as gunpowder and at least 4 more players yelling at you because they have a "clear
" shot at the net with the sound power of 18,000 people waiting for you to either **** or walk. It pays to be good at possession and the Sedins are a great example of that.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Well put. Can't really complain about the production at the moment though.

Yeah. I'm not really complaining or praising in my mind. It is more, this is how it is, and will be. I don't hate it, I don't love it, it doesn't really illicit a strong response for me. I mean, there are better options on the team, but Sutter isn't the worst.