Proposal: Bos-Cal

[Bounces R Way]

Even if the value favors the Flames there really isn't too much in there that makes them a better team in the here and now.

DeBrusk is a good not great top 6 winger, we have a bunch of those. Vaakanainen could be something eventually but plays a position the Flames also have a bunch of depth at. Same thing with Gryz and Clifton, although you could find a place for Gryz especially if Hanifin is in the deal. A lateish 1st and 2nd won't be contributing for several years either.

 

[Mobiandi]

Pass. We can do better if we're trading Hanifin

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Bored before work


to Boston: Sam Bennett, Noah Hanifin
to Calgary: 2021 1st 2022 2nd Jake Debrusk, Vaak and Clifton or Grizz

I would do a first and Getz for hanifin... debrusk is worth more than Bennett... so there’s a ton of overpayment here

Take Vaak out
I might over pay slightly... but that’s a deal killer

 

[treple13]

Definitely not imo from a Flames fan.

What in this deal helps us? Debrusk is nice, but he's a left-shot LWer. We have more of those than we need. And Hanafin is a very important piece to us.

 

[RasmusAndersson]

Flames fans turning down this deal are insane. Flames would be lucky if Boston did Debrusk for Hanifin 1 for 1. Debrusk is seriously underrated and Hanifin will soon lose his second pairing spot on the depth chart to Valimaki ,making him an overpaid 3rd pairing dman who is average defensively. For a team that desperately needs the speed and skill up-front Debrusk would be amazing. Look at Hanifin's numbers from last nights game against Winnipeg, which were in line with his metrics from last season. Hanifin was at or below 50% in Scoring Chances For%, High Danger Corsi%, and Expected Goals%. We need speed and skill up front so that Gaudreau and Monahan aren't stuck with Josh Leivo, and Debrusk is a proven top-9 winger. Compared to Hanifin who has proven to be a below average middle-pairing dman, especially when we have a legitimate stud in Valimaki ready to take his place. Hanifin doesn't control possession or scoring chances, so what is the benefit of having him log average minutes when we clearly lack forwards that can generate consistent offence with speed and skill in transition. Hanifin doesn't play special teams either, so why not have one of Kylington or Mackey take some of his average ES minutes and give the rest to Valimaki.

Tkachuk-Lindholm-Dube
Gaudreau-Backlund-Mang
Debrusk-Monahan-Bennett
Lucic/Nordstrom-Ryan-Leivo
Simon

Giordano-Andersson
Valimaki-Tanev
Kylington/Mackey-Nesterov

So much better than burying Kylington as the #7 when we could easily play a sheltered role and having Leivo or Simon play up in the top-6.

 

[RasmusAndersson]

Even if the value favors the Flames there really isn't too much in there that makes them a better team in the here and now.

DeBrusk is a good not great top 6 winger, we have a bunch of those. Vaakanainen could be something eventually but plays a position the Flames also have a bunch of depth at. Same thing with Gryz and Clifton, although you could find a place for Gryz especially if Hanifin is in the deal. A lateish 1st and 2nd won't be contributing for several years either.

Wow. By what metrics are Debrusk a good-not-great top-6 winger? By what metrics are Gryz and Clifton far worse than Hanifin?

How can you turn this down?

If Debrusk (who has historically been a dominant possession forward and good 5v5 scoring chance generator) is a good-not-great top-6 winger, Hanifin is a below-average-to-average top-4 dman. Turning down a 1st+2nd on top of that for just Bennett? Hanifin is not nearly that valuable. Hanifin barely does anything to give us an advantage when he's on the ice. He literally just logs average minutes where he does help generate chances, especially in transition, but is also average defensively and gives up a fair amount of chances. Why not go for the upgrade up front and add some futures and potentially move a 1st for a more useful asset down the road. This trade is a huge win win, not that Boston would ever accept.

 

[RasmusAndersson]

Calgary probably wouldn't do that. Jake and Vaak for Hani is probably fair value but Flames need Hanifin much more than they need DeBrusk.

How so? We have Leivo playing in the top-6 and Valimaki stuck on the bottom pair and Kylington and Mackey (both NHL calibre Dmen) being scratched. We need the offense and Hanifin is not some great force on our d.

 

[RasmusAndersson]

There's something slightly different in a good way in how Hanifin plays paired with Tanev. Some of this might be the off season talk in how he wanted to develop, some of it might be better chemistry with Tanev... either way, I like it.

Not ready to move on from Hanifin yet unless it's a deal we cannot say no to, but I can also kinda see why someone might be interested in prying him out while his value hasn't increased yet. He's super young and still developing.

This is a deal we can't say no to. A 24-year old, top-6, play-driving winger from a contender is exactly what we need, plus picks, plus D replacement. Easy

 

[Fig]

This is a deal we can't say no to. A 24-year old, top-6, play-driving winger from a contender is exactly what we need, plus picks, plus D replacement. Easy

Ehh... not quite. We get a ton of extra value from the Bruins here, but the Flames are looking for quality for quantity trades right now. Not the opposite. We need higher end pieces. Depth we have in spades, but our roster needs more star/superstar upgrades to it if we want to be a contender while Gio is still NHL calibre.

Other than extra value, this trade makes no sense for us unless we get a broker team to put in a piece we actually want to help make it make sense. Unfortunately as is, the trade looks like a lose-lose trade. Boston gets seriously bent over and the Flames roster doesn't upgrade anything.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Wow. By what metrics are Debrusk a good-not-great top-6 winger? By what metrics are Gryz and Clifton far worse than Hanifin?

He's never broken 50 pts on one of the strongest teams in the league. That's good not great territory. Clifton has 3 career NHL points. Grzelyck I like but isn't really an upgrade on Hanifin.

If Debrusk (who has historically been a dominant possession forward and good 5v5 scoring chance generator) is a good-not-great top-6 winger, Hanifin is a below-average-to-average top-4 dman. Turning down a 1st+2nd on top of that for just Bennett? Hanifin is not nearly that valuable. Hanifin barely does anything to give us an advantage when he's on the ice. He literally just logs average minutes where he does help generate chances, especially in transition, but is also average defensively and gives up a fair amount of chances. Why not go for the upgrade up front and add some futures and potentially move a 1st for a more useful asset down the road. This trade is a huge win win, not that Boston would ever accept.

Hanifin is a steady top 4 defenseman. I'm not his biggest fan or anything but he logs good minutes and doesn't get beat wide often. He has been much better since being separated from Hamonic. I said the value favors the Flames, but they're looking to step into a contention window right now, not 4 years from now. Gaudreau, Giordano, Monahan, and Tkachuk's contracts all end in the next couple years. They owe it to the core to put the best product they can on the ice and this trade wouldn't be doing that.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

How so? We have Leivo playing in the top-6 and Valimaki stuck on the bottom pair and Kylington and Mackey (both NHL calibre Dmen) being scratched. We need the offense and Hanifin is not some great force on our d.

Valimaki is not "stuck" he's not ready to play 22 minutes a night

 

[Mobiandi]

Boston and Calgary are incompatible trade partners that are both trying to win now. If I trade Hanifin, I'm looking to target a rebuilding team that would like him to grow with their budding core. Hanifin's still young enough to attract interest from a load of GMs based on his draft position and supposed upside

 

[Riley 88]

Hannifen and Bennet for Kase, Gryz and a 2nd,,,,,

 

[wintersej]

Bruins are better off in seeing what Vaakaneinen, Zboril and Lauzon can do before making any big moves unless its for a slam dunk top pairing LD.

Maybe look at a Goligoski at the TDL for a rental, or check in on OEL again if the kids are disappointing (or better, are showing potential that AZ likes, but are just not ready to play top 4 for a team at the end of its current contending window).

As mentioned above, just not sure if these teams match up. Maybe something like Kase + Gryz to give the Flames a more cost efficient guy with Valimaki on the up and up and give them an upgrade on Leivo.