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Blues Trade Proposals Part XXI

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Spektre said:
Here is my attempt to clarify the comment of Pietrangelo having limited offensive ability.

When I think of Pietrangelo offensively, I'm not just comparing him to current NHL players. I'm comparing him to any defenceman that ever played.

I'll be the first one to say that defensively Pie is currently a top 10 player in the league. If he was that plus as offensive as MacInnis then I would belong in the camp of people saying that he should never be traded.

That's just not the case and he will never be close to that. That's ok, he's a great defenceman and I'm glad he's a Blue.

My point remains the Blues have one superstar in Tarasenko, and he's locked up long term.

My opinion, (that's all it is) is the Blues have almost an obligation to bring in an elite center for the long term.

Maybe the Blues thought Stastny was a true elite center. If so in my opinion they were alone in their thinking. Again, I like Stastny but he's just not an elite center.

It's also my opinion that defense is overrated. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a solid defense but it's not how I'd ever build a franchise.

Again let me reiterate this point. All of the above is my opinion. It's fine to disagree. What I don't understand is when people get so emotional over differing opinions.

None of us on here will be swaying Army one way or the other.

To me I think the league covets Pietrangelo. He's locked up long term on a good contract. The Blues biggest need is an elite center. Pietrangelo is probably our biggest trading chip.

I'd love to see a poll of the Blues fans that follow the team's every move on whether they think with a healthy roster the Blues will win the cup. Not "can" they, but "will" they.

My answer would be no. I'd put a healthy wager I'd be in the majority of opinion on that.
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I don't disagree with this. I still think Petro is the player to trade potentially to land your 1C. An unsigned Shatty doesn't net that. I think the minutes can be spread amongst others without Petro here. Petro is just an unopened toolbox of talent that we may never see entirely opened. I'm convinced we don't win with the running around mistakes as they have cost us dearly in the last several games. Needs a stay at home partner or a brush up on how to play your position when your partner takes off. He's Petro. Teams will continue to scout and set the Blues up playing around his flaws. Not saying other d-men don't have them, but his creates a glaring hole in front of the net.
 

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To NYI: Bouwmeester, Berglund
To StL: Eberle
To Edm: Hamonic, Sobotka/Rattie
 

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While I'm in favor of those being trade pieces in general (Bouwmeester, Berglund, Sobotka/Rattie), using all three of them in a scenario where we only get a single player back would be a bad move. Especially if that player is Eberle, who is relatively redundant to what our team already has.
 
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Army has been to 3 straight Columbus games and 2 straight Sharks games. Both teams have players he'd want to look at for Canada, so it could definitely be for that.

Although, if he's trying to pluck Johansen out of Columbus, I wouldn't complain. He's getting less ice time and demoted, so kind of a dangerous situation for Columbus. Torts could convince Johansen to want out.
 
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bleedblue1223 said:
Army has been to 3 straight Columbus games and 2 straight Sharks games. Both teams have players he'd want to look at for Canada, so it could definitely be for that.

Although, if he's trying to pluck Johansen out of Columbus, I wouldn't complain. He's getting less ice time and demoted, so kind of a dangerous situation for Columbus. Torts could convince Johansen to want out.
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That would be amazing. Almost too amazing to happen.
 
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Any chance of signing Stamkos in the offseason? I obviously don't think we have the cap space, but what if he signs here for a discount to play with Vladdy? :dunno:
 
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cardsfan said:
To NYI: Bouwmeester, Berglund
To StL: Eberle
To Edm: Hamonic, Sobotka/Rattie
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I'm not very high on Eberle in general, and I'm even less high on him as a fit with how the Blues try to play the game.

Out of curiosity, though, if there's a value gap between Hamonic and Eberle, why are the Blues the ones making up the difference? That doesn't make any sense to me.
 
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Blue Penguin said:
Any chance of signing Stamkos in the offseason? I obviously don't think we have the cap space, but what if he signs here for a discount to play with Vladdy? :dunno:
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There's always a "chance", but realistically, no.

He'll basically be able to name his price, and he'll have his pick of multiple choice destinations...all of which will have multiple high end players to play with. I don't see him taking much of a discount, and I don't see the Blues having much of a chance at him (if they pursue him at all).
 

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EastonBlues22 said:
I'm not very high on Eberle in general, and I'm even less high on him as a fit with how the Blues try to play the game.

Out of curiosity, though, if there's a value gap between Hamonic and Eberle, why are the Blues the ones making up the difference? That doesn't make any sense to me.
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I was trying to think about it from the other teams' perspectives, while also trying to include only things I find to be expendable on our end. The Isles need a big-minute defenseman back, so Bouwmeester would be good, but that's trading a 25-year-old for a 32-year-old; thus adding in a piece on our end, Berglund, who fits another need for them (depth up front). The Oilers need a defenseman, but I do think there's a gap between Hamonic and Eberle, and they need offensive depth, too. It's one thing that, with about 16 NHL-able forwards under contract, we can sacrifice a bit. Anyway, like you, I'm not sure I'm sold on Eberle improving our team more than losing Bouwmeester hurts it. Last year, I'd've said "yes, no brainer", but he's obviously been much better this year.

How bout this one:

StL gets: RNH + Isles pick/prospect
Edm gets: Hamonic + Sobotka's contract
NYI gerts: Shattenkirk
 

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By the way, I might be very bad at this trade proposal/math thing. Just seems like maybe there's a fit there, for us to put our surplus of big-minute-capable defensemen into the mix as a facilitator for the Isles and bring back an elite offensive player from the great north, where they have those in surplus.
 
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cardsfan said:
I was trying to think about it from the other teams' perspectives, while also trying to include only things I find to be expendable on our end. The Isles need a big-minute defenseman back, so Bouwmeester would be good, but that's trading a 25-year-old for a 32-year-old; thus adding in a piece on our end, Berglund, who fits another need for them (depth up front). The Oilers need a defenseman, but I do think there's a gap between Hamonic and Eberle, and they need offensive depth, too. It's one thing that, with about 16 NHL-able forwards under contract, we can sacrifice a bit. Anyway, like you, I'm not sure I'm sold on Eberle improving our team more than losing Bouwmeester hurts it. Last year, I'd've said "yes, no brainer", but he's obviously been much better this year.

How bout this one:

StL gets: RNH + Isles pick/prospect
Edm gets: Hamonic + Sobotka's contract
NYI gerts: Shattenkirk
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Three team trades just don't work. No way EDM would get Hamonic and Sobotka for something worth more in RNH, and value is off regarding Shattenkirk for Hamonic and pick/prospect.
 
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Maybe Army trades next summer Steen for some 3rd/4th line rental +.
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Getting tired of the passive aggressive jabs at Army that you post in every thread. He isn't perfect but you have taken it about as far as you have in the past with your Berglund posts. It's old, we get it.
 
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cardsfan said:
To NYI: Bouwmeester, Berglund
To StL: Eberle
To Edm: Hamonic, Sobotka/Rattie
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I can see a trade centering around Shattenkirk for Nugent-Hopkins, since that trade fills a need for both teams. I *think* there would have to be some adjustments due to salary cap concerns on the Blues side, but I'm not sure about that.
 
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Daley Tarasenkshow said:
Why would Army trade a 60 point player in Steen for a rental and a +? Steen will likely finish his career here, and may in fact be the next captain.
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Its just joke. People proposal going crazy now; trading Pietro, Shattery, Parayko and Zamboni driver. Maybe we can trade Bernie Federko's lame movembers.

Somethimes I feel we Blues fans are like --> :scared:
 
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