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I hope we're really cautious with contracts we give out this offseason. We don't want to handcuff ourselves 2-3 years down the line when we have the young talent to build a really deep roster.
which is why we should have fully commit to a rebuild which means dealing people like buch and faulk for future assets. instead, we did NOTHING and our reward will be the 16th pick.I hope we're really cautious with contracts we give out this offseason. We don't want to handcuff ourselves 2-3 years down the line when we have the young talent to build a really deep roster.
I feel similar. I wouldn't hate a scenario where we get a solid middle 6 upgrade, ideally #2 C, and then someone like OEL on a short-term deal to play on the offensive top 4 pair. Leddy/Parayko and OEL/Faulk, with Perunovich or Krug with Kessel. Defense is still far from fixed, but it's improved.
I'm genuinely curious to see what type of value he has around the league. I'm not quite sure that he has increased his value much or even at all.No thank you on OEL unless it's super short term. I'd rather have empty cap to make a move if something comes up. I'd prefer a stronger defensive player.
Why would we even want him? He doesn’t offer much now and surely isn’t going to be of much help when we are ready to contend. At this point he is just a plug, another guy like kapanen that we can pick up to serve as live body but we seem to have enough of them. We need d who are younger and better. I’m not interested in any free agent d unless hanifan decides that he wants to split difference between Vegas and east coast and wants to be a blue. We shouldn’t be seeking out anyone over 27.I'm genuinely curious to see what type of value he has around the league. I'm not quite sure that he has increased his value much or even at all.
He's their #5 D man and his production hasn't been a massive improvement from last season. He's at a nearly identical points pace, with goals going up and assists going down. He's still giving the puck away much more than he's taking it away and his usage is much more sheltered than it was in Vancouver.
He's shown me that he can be an effective 'offensive 3rd pair' guy but he didn't do a ton to prove to me that he can be an effective 2nd pair D over the whole season. He took tons of (fair) criticism given the cap hit, but I think this year's contract $2.25M x 1 year was a fairly accurate assessment of the player he was/is. I wouldn't expect him to get noticeable money with any type of term attached this summer.
I'm not interested in him barring a large change to our defensive group over the summer, but I don't think we're talking about a guy who would need $4M x 3+ to sign. But I don't have a great read on his value.
I'm genuinely curious to see what type of value he has around the league. I'm not quite sure that he has increased his value much or even at all.
He's their #5 D man and his production hasn't been a massive improvement from last season. He's at a nearly identical points pace, with goals going up and assists going down. He's still giving the puck away much more than he's taking it away and his usage is much more sheltered than it was in Vancouver.
He's shown me that he can be an effective 'offensive 3rd pair' guy but he didn't do a ton to prove to me that he can be an effective 2nd pair D over the whole season. He took tons of (fair) criticism given the cap hit, but I think this year's contract $2.25M x 1 year was a fairly accurate assessment of the player he was/is. I wouldn't expect him to get noticeable money with any type of term attached this summer.
I'm not interested in him barring a large change to our defensive group over the summer, but I don't think we're talking about a guy who would need $4M x 3+ to sign. But I don't have a great read on his value.
Before you sell OEL off as cooked, I suggest you take a longer look at his game logs. He filled the top pairing for Florida through October and part of November while both of Ekblad and Montour were recovering from off-season surgery.
Look at those numbers separately before/after Nov 17 and they tell a different story about his adequacy - maybe he can't fill in as that 1-3 D for a whole season, but there's recent evidence that he can play that role. FWIW the team record was 10-6 in that stretch (unsure about OT results).
The injury returns pushed him down their lineup, and I can't find who his partners were before/after. But, if you look at the ice time he played in the opening 5 weeks, that's not 3rd pairing minutes by anyone's definition.
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Edit : tagging @Blueston
Edit 2: this is being done from my phone at the doctors office.
When he wasn't in a sheltered role, he was paired with Forsling, who is a great D. Arguably as good as anyone we have or better. OEL noticeably hurt Forsling's stats. There is a noticeable drop in Forsling's stats with OEL than without. It's a 6 to 11 percent drop in CF%, SCF%, GF%, xGF% from being paired with OEL. Now that's to be expected putting a ton of 3rd pairing D on the first pair. But let's not say he held his own. He was held up enough not to hurt the team too bad.
This is where I’m at, too.I'd love to find a way to move both Krug and Faulk this year. I'm not particularly concerned that the Blues don't have in-house replacements to take their minutes; that's a problem for another day. I'd rather see the empty cap space than those two guys run back out there to eat $6.5M and f***ing up constantly. Calle Rosen can provide similar results for a fraction of the cost.
which is why we should have fully commit to a rebuild which means dealing people like buch and faulk for future assets. instead, we did NOTHING and our reward will be the 16th pick.
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come on now, my daughters are both about his age, they all look like that, you can't tempt me like thatI'm sorry Diz but I'm myopically focused on shuffling deck chairs on defense with an eye out for possible upgrades like Skjei, I don't even count wingers as actual people so the whole Kyrou thing doesn't even register for me. He has a punchable face though I'll give you that.
I think they eventually make a move, either by design or after they realize their plan will bow up in their face. They either got Byram to move one of the others or will be forced to because this group won't work.I was looking at the Sabres roster today and couldn't help but notice that they have four lefties (Dahlin, Power, Byram and Samuelsson) that could all play in the Top 4. Samuelsson is coming off shoulder surgery and has been hurt a lot in his young career, and Byram doesn't seem to be settling in particularly well there, so I wonder if one of them could be acquired given that Dahlin and Power are likely untouchable.
I think they eventually make a move, either by design or after they realize their plan will bow up in their face. They either got Byram to move one of the others or will be forced to because this group won't work.
If they extend byram they almost have to deal power. they both see themselves as future #1s, having dahlen ahead in pecking order is 1 thing, as he could be one of top 5 or so d in the league. being behind the other seems like more than either will embrace. and if they do deal power, they should be able to pretty much name their price. is their anyone in our organization you would make off limits for him? maybe thomas?It's that, but also the balance issue. At least Samuelsson and Power are signed cheap long-term for what their value will be, but to extend Byram and acquire a proper 2nd pair RD, it's going to be a pretty expensive defensive core, and I just don't see that happening. I expect them to try and force this young defensive core, as each of them are capable of playing 20+ minutes, so they won't see the need in getting another 20+ minute dman. I see it flopping in a similar way to Ottawa's.
I do think it depends on what Byram gets, I don't think it's a guarantee that he gets anything insane. I could see a scenario where it's Samuelsson going.If they extend byram they almost have to deal power. they both see themselves as future #1s, having dahlen ahead in pecking order is 1 thing, as he could be one of top 5 or so d in the league. being behind the other seems like more than either will embrace. and if they do deal power, they should be able to pretty much name their price. is their anyone in our organization you would make off limits for him? maybe thomas?