GDT: Blackhawks vs Flyers - 7:30 CT WGN - Do or Die

[Hawkaholic]

I would not go that far. He is a solid bottom 6 player. .32 PPG falls into the 3rd line category but I see him as versatile bottom 6 type while Kruger was all D and only D.

He should not be the teams 3rd line C, nor winger. He should be on the 4th line.

 

[clydesdale line]

Kampf has 18 points (in 57 games) which would be Kruger's 3rd highest point total in his career (and Kruger was getting some top 6 time early in his career). Yea he's quite a bit better offensively.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I agree it's better, but not by a whole lot. The dude just can't finish anything.

Kampf has 18 points (in 57 games) which would be Kruger's 3rd highest point total in his career (and Kruger was getting some top 6 time early in his career). Yea he's quite a bit better offensively.

This.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Kampf has 18 points (in 57 games) which would be Kruger's 3rd highest point total in his career (and Kruger was getting some top 6 time early in his career). Yea he's quite a bit better offensively.

Career:
Kampf has a 0.28pts/gm
Kruger has a 0.23pts/gm

Kruger was mainly used as a defensive shut down specialist vs. the others teams best every night with very little OZ starts.
Kampf isn't used in that role nearly to the extent Kruger was.

That's not quite a bit better, that is slightly better.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Career:
Kampf has a 0.28pts/gm
Kruger has a 0.23pts/gm

Kruger was mainly used as a defensive shut down specialist vs. the others teams best every night with very little OZ starts.
Kampf isn't used in that role nearly to the extent Kruger was.

That's not quite a bit better, that is slightly better.

He's 4 years younger than Kruger. I think his offensive numbers will improve quite a bit. I expect he'll regularly be a ~30 point guy most years if he can continue to stay healthy.

Year one it was .24 and this year it's .32

 

[Hawkaholic]

He's 4 years younger than Kruger. I think his offensive numbers will improve quite a bit. I expect he'll regularly be a ~30 point guy most years if he can continue to stay healthy.

I was comparing him to Kruger when Kruger was the same age. I don't see him getting near 30pts if he is used in the same role Kruger was.

 

[BK]

I was comparing him to Kruger when Kruger was the same age. I don't see him getting near 30pts if he is used in the same role Kruger was.

Actually you posted career PPG for Kruger. Kruger was a .33 in his first two years but he had better line mates. In his first 125 game (Kampf 103 currently) Kruger scored at a .37 PPG clip. Again he had better line mates.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I was comparing him to Kruger when Kruger was the same age. I don't see him getting near 30pts if he is used in the same role Kruger was.

Kruger was a .29 PPG player from years 20-24. And entered the league a full 2 years sooner than Kampf. I think Kampf develops into a regular 25-30 point player. Just my opinion. Kruger, in his role, hit close to 30 points twice, on better teams, with better linemates. Kampf is a better offensive player, but you can't see him being a 25-30 point player regularly?

 

[Hawkaholic]

Actually you posted career PPG for Kruger. Kruger was a .33 in his first two years but he had better line mates.

Yeah, I said that in my post.

 

[BK]

Yeah, I said that in my post.

You said you were comparing at the same age.

 

[clydesdale line]

I was comparing him to Kruger when Kruger was the same age. I don't see him getting near 30pts if he is used in the same role Kruger was.

When Kruger first came into the league he was getting quite a bit top 6 time since Hawks brass thought he was the #2 center of the future. It hasn't quite worked out that way so Q gave him dungeon starts since he was always a defensive player. Kampf came in as a bottom 6 player and has had some shitty linemates and still averaged more points this year than Kruger except for 2 years. This is Kampf's second season and he likely would've got close to 30 points had he stayed healthy. I'm not saying he's going to be a 50+ point player (Colliton might disagree lol) but I can see him hitting 30-35 points.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Kruger was a .29 PPG player from years 20-24. And entered the league a full 2 years sooner than Kampf. I think Kampf develops into a regular 25-30 point player. Just my opinion. Kruger, in his role, hit close to 30 points twice, on better teams, with better linemates. Kampf is a better offensive player, but you can't see him being a 25-30 point player regularly?

In 13-14, Kruger had a good year that year, but it was an aberration. In 2011-12 he wasn't used in the shutdown role, and played with top 6 talent from what I remember.

I don't think Kampf is much better offensively than Kruger, and I don't see him having as good of linemates as Kruger had back then. So no, I don't see him hitting 30pts regularly, he may have a career year one year where he does. I see him as a 25pt max player.

 

[Hawkaholic]

You said you were comparing at the same age.

I meant the roles at the same age.

 

[BK]

I meant the roles at the same age.

Kruger was playing a top 9 role which impacts it a lot.

 

[Hawkaholic]

When Kruger first came into the league he was getting quite a bit top 6 time since Hawks brass thought he was the #2 center of the future. It hasn't quite worked out that way so Q gave him dungeon starts since he was always a defensive player. Kampf came in as a bottom 6 player and has had some ****ty linemates and still averaged more points this year than Kruger except for 2 years. This is Kampf's second season and he likely would've got 30 points had he stayed healthy. I'm not saying he's going to be a 50+ point player (Colliton might disagree lol) but I can see him hitting 30-35 points.

I just don't see it. I mean, if he plays a top 9 role with really good linemates and 50/50 OZ starts, I could see it. But if put in the same role as Kruger was, I see him only being slightly better offensively.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Kruger was playing a top 9 role which impacts it a lot.

He was playing a shut down role, with very low OZ starts.

 

[BK]

He was playing a shut down role, with very low OZ starts.

Early in his career?

 

[Hawkaholic]

Early in his career?

At age 24.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Early in his career?

At ages 23-24 Kruger was seeing like 75% D zone starts. His first few years were closer to 50/50.

 

[ChiHawks10]

He was playing a shut down role, with very low OZ starts.

We don't know if that's how JC will use him. That's just how Q used Kruger. No way to know.

This season Kampf has been used in a 35/65 split of D/O zone. The year prior he was used closer to 50/50.

 

[BK]

At age 24.

Comparing players at age is not really a good way to do it. Kruger at 24 was in season NHL season 5, Kampf is 24 at season 2. You are not comparing apples to apples.

Kruger got a 44% ZS rate in his second season. Kampf is starting 36% ZS rate.

 

[Hawkaholic]

We don't know if that's how JC will use him. That's just how Q used Kruger. No way to know.

This season Kampf has been used in a 35/65 split of D/O zone. The year prior he was used closer to 50/50.

Right. It's trending in that direction, and Kampfs point totals will take a dip if he is put more in that role. I've already said he is slightly better than Kruger offensively, so he will get more pts than Kruger, I just don't think it's quite a bit better.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Comparing players at age is not really a good way to do it. Kruger at 24 was in season NHL season 5, Kampf is 24 at season 2. You are not comparing apples to apples.

It's hard to compare 2 players, because roles are different, as are linemates. But just watching, Kampf lacks finish, and isn't the greatest puck distributor either. IMO, he is a slightly better offensive Kruger, with potential to play Krugers role.

 

[jaysoneil]

Kruger has always had blocks for hands. The guy has zero offensive drive and a muffin of a shot. Not to mention sub par skating and the "dump the puck" first mentality.

Kampf is younger and better. He won't double Krugers production in the same role, but he'll bring more offense and speed.

 

[Rolo]

Kampf has looked dangerous when he was with Hino last year and Kahun this year. He isn't a blackhole offensively like Kruger.