Bettman comming back with a hard cap offer...

[Ola]

It shouldn´t come as a suprise to anyone when Bettman comes back to the table with a hardcap offer. Bettman is selling the idea to the owners that he will be able to break the union and save everyone a load of money. To the fans and media he is selling the idea that he will create a even balanced competetive market and give teams like Edmonton and Ottawa a chance to compete.

I don´t for a second belive that Bettman will be able to pull this of. Its gooing to take atleast 12 month before a replacement league is up and running. If its even possible to start one ´cause it will take atleast 600 players to get gooing.

I am telling you that a replacement league in the USA is gooing to have a helluva lot harder to survive then the NHL would have with the NHLPA´s offer. Bettmans proposal isn´t about surviving and grow, its about making money.

Hockey is the most entertaining sport in the world when you see it live, in a full arena and the best players in the world on the ice. However if you watch a team made out of 50% ECHLers with 1500 people in the stands, in a arena that takes 20.000 you are never gooing to come back, and I doubt you would be willing to spend even 10$ on it in the first place.

What I can´t understand is how little the media in Canada is discussing how this will affect the game of hockey. I haven´t seen one article on TSN or Canoe on this subject. Its very possible that the market in the USA won´t be able to take a 24 month without hockey hit. The only reason I can come up with is that the teams in Canada always will have it fans, so they don´t care about the game of hockey.

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[chara]

It shouldn´t come as a suprise to anyone when Bettman comes back to the table with a hardcap offer. Bettman is selling the idea to the owners that he will be able to break the union and save everyone a load of money. To the fans and media he is selling the idea that he will create a even balanced competetive market and give teams like Edmonton and Ottawa a chance to compete.

I don´t for a second belive that Bettman will be able to pull this of. Its gooing to take atleast 12 month before a replacement league is up and running. If its even possible to start one ´cause it will take atleast 600 players to get gooing.

I am telling you that a replacement league in the USA is gooing to have a helluva lot harder to survive then the NHL would have with the NHLPA´s offer. Bettmans proposal isn´t about surviving and grow, its about making money.

Hockey is the most entertaining sport in the world when you see it live, in a full arena and the best players in the world on the ice. However if you watch a team made out of 50% ECHLers with 1500 people in the stands, in a arena that takes 20.000 you are never gooing to come back, and I doubt you would be willing to spend even 10$ on it in the first place.

What I can´t understand is how little the media in Canada is discussing how this will affect the game of hockey. I haven´t seen one article on TSN or Canoe on this subject. Its very possible that the market in the USA won´t be able to take a 24 month without hockey hit. The only reason I can come up with is that the teams in Canada always will have it fans, so they don´t care about the game of hockey.

The NHL is prepared to wait out the players. There will be no replacement players as the owners realize the arenas will be empty. They are prepared to lock out the players for at least 2 seasons.

A lot will hinge on how the NBA talks procede next year. If the NBAPA cave to a stricter cap than what they have now, look for the NHLPA to accept a similar fate.

The NHLPA cannot 'win' this one. Bettman and Co. will have their cost certainity. If they're smart, they'll give in now and at least win concessions in other areas. They longer this thing is, the less they will get.

 

[GKJ]

Bettman would rather go with no hockey than replacement players, in fact, the replacement player option is remote at best. He would rather not give the players an option in this.

 

[chiavsfan]

I hate when I goo all over myself.

Of course Bettman is going to go for a hard cap...it's been his stance since the beginning, and the NHLPA's little one year Band-Aid rediculous solutions just aren't going to cut it

 

[MarkZackKarl]

holy crap... no wonder the NHL is getting away with this.

OTtawa can't compete now? GOD DAMN STUPIDITY!

 

[Kaiped Krusader]

OTtawa can't compete now? GOD DAMN STUPIDITY!

I get a kick out of reading this sitting right next to your avatar.

 

[Ola]

Bettman would rather go with no hockey than replacement players, in fact, the replacement player option is remote at best. He would rather not give the players an option in this.

Bettman is playing with really high stakes with no counter part. There is no media coverge out there who looks at this from both sides. If you look at Bettmans history in the league the game of hockey is in trouble.

When I here guys like Lowe and Brian Burke rant on how terrible the NHLPA is and unfair all this is against the Canadian teams it makes me sick. Thoose two(Burke and Lowe) are two very rich people. They have made their money of a very strong american market. It wouldn´t have been possible without it. A market that is beeing ***** by the NHL and small market teams right now.

If hockey is hurt severly by Bettmans actions it will have affects on the game all over the globe. Its strange how this is only covered by Brooks in NY and a few reporters in Sweden who are afraid that the NHL won´t survive and how it will hurt hockey. Not one word is mentioned in the canadian media.

 

[TexSen]

Bettman is playing with really high stakes with no counter part. There is no media coverge out there who looks at this from both sides. If you look at Bettmans history in the league the game of hockey is in trouble.

When I here guys like Lowe and Brian Burke rant on how terrible the NHLPA is and unfair all this is against the Canadian teams it makes me sick. Thoose two(Burke and Lowe) are two very rich people. They have made their money of a very strong american market. It wouldn´t have been possible without it. A market that is beeing ***** by the NHL and small market teams right now.

If hockey is hurt severly by Bettmans actions it will have affects on the game all over the globe. Its strange how this is only covered by Brooks in NY and a few reporters in Sweden who are afraid that the NHL won´t survive and how it will hurt hockey. Not one word is mentioned in the canadian media.

Look at it this way.....how many Canadian teams are there in the league? How many US teams? I'm pretty sure the Canada will always support some level of hockey regardless of whether the NHL exists in a year or two. That's why you aren't hearing much about the impact of the demise of pro-hockey in Canada.

Just a guess though.

 

[Seachd]

When I here guys like Lowe and Brian Burke rant on how terrible the NHLPA is and unfair all this is against the Canadian teams it makes me sick.

Neither one of Lowe or Burke has said "how terrible the NHLPA is."

 

[VinnyVinnyVici]

If hockey is hurt severly by Bettmans actions it will have affects on the game all over the globe. Its strange how this is only covered by Brooks in NY and a few reporters in Sweden....

You mean NHLPA slobbering lap-dog Larry Brooks? Yeah, an "objective" reporter he is... especially in NY, the epicenter of NHL overspending and home to Jagr, Yashin and Holik.

Yes, I do tend to want to trust the Canadian-based TSN and Hockey News people over that clown.

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Bulin Wall

 

[FLYLine27*]

You mean NHLPA slobbering lap-dog Larry Brooks? Yeah, an "objective" reporter he is... especially in NY, the epicenter of NHL overspending and home to Jagr, Yashin and Holik.

Yes, I do tend to want to trust the Canadian-based TSN and Hockey News people over that clown.

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Bulin Wall

Trust??? TSN gives you a complete PRO-OWNER side. Brooks gives a complete PRO-PLAYER side...instead of just trusting one..you should read both and come up with your own decidsion.

 

[Digger12]

Trust??? TSN gives you a complete PRO-OWNER side. Brooks gives a complete PRO-PLAYER side...instead of just trusting one..you should read both and come up with your own decidsion.

Complete pro-owner? I don't think so.

At least TSN has guys like Healy and Davidson on to provide some balance.

 

[Seachd]

Complete pro-owner? I don't think so.

At least TSN has guys like Healy and Davidson on to provide some balance.

Exactly. TSN doesn't really seem to be on either side.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Complete pro-owner? I don't think so.

At least TSN has guys like Healy and Davidson on to provide some balance.

Im talking there site...I dont get TSN here.

 

[Seachd]

Im talking there site...I dont get TSN here.

Could you show me which articles you're talking about when you say they're "completely pro-owner"?

 

[Digger12]

Im talking there site...I dont get TSN here.

Which articles? TSN's site basically regurgitates the stuff that comes off the wire from CP and AP, the only columnist talking hockey there is McKenzie and all he does is straddle the fence. He's made a career out of it.

Am I missing something here?

 

[All-Star]

It shouldn´t come as a suprise to anyone when Bettman comes back to the table with a hardcap offer. Bettman is selling the idea to the owners that he will be able to break the union and save everyone a load of money. To the fans and media he is selling the idea that he will create a even balanced competetive market and give teams like Edmonton and Ottawa a chance to compete.

I don´t for a second belive that Bettman will be able to pull this of. Its gooing to take atleast 12 month before a replacement league is up and running. If its even possible to start one ´cause it will take atleast 600 players to get gooing.

I am telling you that a replacement league in the USA is gooing to have a helluva lot harder to survive then the NHL would have with the NHLPA´s offer. Bettmans proposal isn´t about surviving and grow, its about making money.

Hockey is the most entertaining sport in the world when you see it live, in a full arena and the best players in the world on the ice. However if you watch a team made out of 50% ECHLers with 1500 people in the stands, in a arena that takes 20.000 you are never gooing to come back, and I doubt you would be willing to spend even 10$ on it in the first place.

What I can´t understand is how little the media in Canada is discussing how this will affect the game of hockey. I haven´t seen one article on TSN or Canoe on this subject. Its very possible that the market in the USA won´t be able to take a 24 month without hockey hit. The only reason I can come up with is that the teams in Canada always will have it fans, so they don´t care about the game of hockey.

You know... I'm getting serious deja vu reading this post...

 

[Dave in LA]

I think the objective Bettman has is to break the Union. The only way to do that is to declare an impasse and go with replacement players.

I think we will have a season next year with replacement players.

Dave in LA

 

[YellHockey*]

Complete pro-owner? I don't think so.

At least TSN has guys like Healy and Davidson on to provide some balance.

Since when has Davidson been employed by TSN.

And could TSN find a less respected or intelligent guy to provide balance then Healy?

 

[Lorenzo1000]

Healy is nothing but another NHLPA shill. Healy is living in the dream world where the NHL continues to pay out higher salaries than the NFL without even having a US TV contract.

Brian Burke tells it like it is. It's time for the players to wake and smell the coffee.
A 24% reduction was fine but it only affects the players under contract(which is only around half of the NHL players at present) and 20% over 45 million is a joke.

 

[Digger12]

Since when has Davidson been employed by TSN.

And could TSN find a less respected or intelligent guy to provide balance then Healy?

Never said he was employed by TSN...

The point was made that TSN provides viewpoints that are 100% pro-owner...I was merely illustrating that Davidson is at least one case where a viewpoint was brought in that wasn't 100% that way. It doesn't matter who employs them.