Better season: Jeff Petry vs. Darnell Nurse

[GFS]

Which defenceman is having the better season so far?

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[McDNicks17]

I'm guessing Petry will win this because of his 12 PP points and the earlier hype he's got.

Nurse is quietly putting together arguably the best even strength numbers in the league.

 

[CupofOil]

I'm guessing Petry will win this because of his 12 PP points and the earlier hype he's got.

Nurse is quietly putting together arguably the best even strength numbers in the league.

While also being dominant defensively.

I bet Petry wins this poll because, just like Draisaitl, Nurse will never get the respect he deserves because he plays on a team with McDavid.
The reality is that this is a guy playing over 25 minutes a night (with minimal PP time), driving play, shutting down opponents and scoring at a ridiculous rate. I don't think I'm a homer when I say that Nurse is a top 5 Dman in the league this season, or at least top 10 and I'd like to see somebody prove otherwise. Petry is up there too so I don't know, tough poll.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I'm guessing Petry will win this because of his 12 PP points and the earlier hype he's got.

Nurse is quietly putting together arguably the best even strength numbers in the league.

While also being dominant defensively.

I bet Petry wins this poll because, just like Draisaitl, Nurse will never get the respect he deserves because he plays on a team with McDavid.
The reality is that this is a guy playing over 25 minutes a night (with minimal PP time), driving play, shutting down opponents and scoring at a ridiculous rate. I don't think I'm a homer when I say that Nurse is a top 5 Dman in the league this season, or at least top 10 and I'd like to see somebody prove otherwise. Petry is up there too so I don't know, tough poll.

???

 

[McDNicks17]

???

Playing the toughest competition in the league, leading the league in even strength points by defensemen and outscoring opponents by a huge margin.

WAR models are so bad for defensemen that they border on useless.

 

[sansabri]

While also being dominant defensively.

I bet Petry wins this poll because, just like Draisaitl, Nurse will never get the respect he deserves because he plays on a team with McDavid.
The reality is that this is a guy playing over 25 minutes a night (with minimal PP time), driving play, shutting down opponents and scoring at a ridiculous rate. I don't think I'm a homer when I say that Nurse is a top 5 Dman in the league this season, or at least top 10 and I'd like to see somebody prove otherwise. Petry is up there too so I don't know, tough poll.

I'm guessing Petry will win this because of his 12 PP points and the earlier hype he's got.

Nurse is quietly putting together arguably the best even strength numbers in the league.

i mean, Petry is tied for the team lead in pts. Nurse is having a really good season, but Petry is much more important to his team

 

[Regal]

While also being dominant defensively.

I bet Petry wins this poll because, just like Draisaitl, Nurse will never get the respect he deserves because he plays on a team with McDavid.
The reality is that this is a guy playing over 25 minutes a night (with minimal PP time), driving play, shutting down opponents and scoring at a ridiculous rate. I don't think I'm a homer when I say that Nurse is a top 5 Dman in the league this season, or at least top 10 and I'd like to see somebody prove otherwise. Petry is up there too so I don't know, tough poll.

Among the 159 defensemen who have played at least 300 5v5 minutes this season, Nurse has given up the 26th most GA/60 and has the 7th worst SA/60, and 16th worst xGA/60. The Oilers give up nearly 8 more shots per 60 when he's on the ice and 0.74 more goals. His RAPM also looks like this:

These stats aren't always perfect, and I'm assuming part of the reason for it is systemic based on how the team plays when either of the big two are on the ice compared to when they're off, but it's pretty hard to say he's been good defensively when the underlying numbers are so poor.

 

[CupofOil]

Among the 159 defensemen who have played at least 300 5v5 minutes this season, Nurse has given up the 26th most GA/60 and has the 7th worst SA/60, and 16th worst xGA/60. The Oilers give up nearly 8 more shots per 60 when he's on the ice and 0.74 more goals. His RAPM also looks like this:

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These stats aren't always perfect, and I'm assuming part of the reason for it is systemic based on how the team plays when either of the big two are on the ice compared to when they're off, but it's pretty hard to say he's been good defensively when the underlying numbers are so poor.

Anytime you're on the ice with McDavid or Draisaitl's line, it's going to be a high event game so there will be scoring chances against but the scoring chances he produces when he's on the ice far FAR outweigh the scoring chances against. He's also paired with Barrie btw and with Barrie, there's a lot of covering up he has to do. Trust me, he's been really good defensively all season and, as usual, the underlying numbers only tell a small part of the story. He's taken a big step forward in own zone play.

 

[Bouboumaster]

I voted Petry because regardless of the numbers, he's flat out better

 

[CupofOil]

i mean, Petry is tied for the team lead in pts. Nurse is having a really good season, but Petry is much more important to his team

How so?

Everybody said the Oilers defense would crumble with Klefbom out and not only have they not crumbled, they are better than last season mainly because Nurse does so much to make it better.
Everybody said Barrie sucks and is no more than a bottom pairing Dman. Well, he's playing top pairing minutes against the toughest competition and is scoring at a PPG rate, paired with Nurse. Is Barrie the one driving that pairing? Of course not.

Petry has been really good of course but how can you possibly say he's much more important to his team? I thought the Habs had the best, most balanced defense in the division. Does that not apply now?

This just seems like another case of no other Oiler but McDavid getting much respect because they play on McDavid's team.

 

[sansabri]

How so?

Everybody said the Oilers defense would crumble with Klefbom out and not only have they not crumbled, they are better than last season mainly because Nurse does so much to make it better.
Everybody said Barrie sucks and is no more than a bottom pairing Dman. Well, he's playing top pairing minutes against the toughest competition and is scoring at a PPG rate, paired with Nurse. Is Barrie the one driving that pairing? Of course not.

Petry has been really good of course but how can you possibly say he's much more important to his team? I thought the Habs had the best, most balanced defense in the division. Does that not apply now?

This just seems like another case of no other Oiler but McDavid getting much respect because they play on McDavid's team.

who is everybody and why do they matter in a discussion of Nurse v Petry

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Misclicked Nurse, but its petry.
He's been great defensively and has more points than Nurse while not having the benefit of playing with guys like Mcdavid and Draisaitl.

 

[David Suzuki]

Calling Nurse dominant defensively is such a reach I hope you stretched.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

who is everybody and why do they matter in a discussion of Nurse v Petry

you’re the one that brought up “more important to his team”, and you were told why Nurse was so important to Edmonton.

Why is Petry “much more important” to Montreal? Everyone and their donkey thought we’d collapse icing a LD of Nurse, sophomores, rookies, and the shotblockin’ cowboy, but we’re doing better than alright and Nurse is a big part of that.

 

[Aceboogie]

Nurse by a hair. But a lot has to do with his PDO bender to start the season. Hes had a good year this year but probably not as dominant as his point totals make it out to be

 

[sansabri]

you’re the one that brought up “more important to his team”, and you were told why Nurse was so important to Edmonton.

Why is Petry “much more important” to Montreal? Everyone and their donkey thought we’d collapse icing a LD of Nurse, sophomores, rookies, and the shotblockin’ cowboy, but we’re doing better than alright and Nurse is a big part of that.

because he's been our best player

 

[Big Empty]

Petry has been an absolute stud for the Habs this year. I’m taking him.

Nurse has been great for the Oilers too. 55 points combined from him and Barrie. That’s pretty crazy.

 

[Ringo13]

Voting Nurse BUT Oilers play Habs 3 times this week. I will be watching the 2 of them closely and I will change my vote if this week proves me wrong.

 

[Gurglesons]

Quite easily Petry. Dude is putting in a Norris Trophy season.

 

[M2Beezy]

Two players Im always suprised get hyped so much as when i see them they always fail the eye test. But i think Petry has a good point shot esp on the pp, well Nurse a lil more balanced overall so i voted him

 

[booyakasha]

Loved Jeff Petry when he was on the Oil, and always root for him.
...but if he was on the Oilers now, he would be behind Nurse on the pecking order.
Darnell Nurse is just better.

 

[Mez]

They are both having really good seasons, ill resist my urge to homer vote and just not vote. There should be an even option.

 

[silkyjohnson50]

Loved Jeff Petry when he was on the Oil, and always root for him.
...but if he was on the Oilers now, he would be behind Nurse on the pecking order.
Darnell Nurse is just better.

If Edmonton Petry was on the Oilers now then it wouldn’t be a conversation. Fortunately for Montreal, Petry’s game has taken a giant step since then.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Playing the toughest competition in the league, leading the league in even strength points by defensemen and outscoring opponents by a huge margin.

WAR models are so bad for defensemen that they border on useless.

Are WAR models good for anyone?

 

[Kamus]

Among the 159 defensemen who have played at least 300 5v5 minutes this season, Nurse has given up the 26th most GA/60 and has the 7th worst SA/60, and 16th worst xGA/60. The Oilers give up nearly 8 more shots per 60 when he's on the ice and 0.74 more goals. His RAPM also looks like this:

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These stats aren't always perfect, and I'm assuming part of the reason for it is systemic based on how the team plays when either of the big two are on the ice compared to when they're off, but it's pretty hard to say he's been good defensively when the underlying numbers are so poor.

Where do you get these charts from?