Better career crosby vs ovechkin

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

After the 2013-2014 who has had the better career. Assuming crosby wins the hart and lindsay.

Ovechkin

3 harts
1 art ross
3 pearsons
4 Richards

Crosby

2 harts
2 art ross trophies
3 pearsons
1 Richard
1 Stanley cup
2 Olympic gold medals

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[Fred Taylor]

Crosby for me. By the time their careers are fully finished I think Crosby will rank quite a few spots ahead of Ovechkin, I could see Crosby go on like this for another ten years honestly.

 

[unknown33]

In my opinion Ovechkin had an edge overall for the first few season, but regardless what Hart voters felt last year and even if judgement might be unfavourable for Ovi due to 'what have you done for me lately'-bias Crosby is ahead now.

 

[sr edler]

Ovechkin's transformation to a designated sniper these last two seasons doesn't impress super much. We already knew he could score goals. He's got too many holes in his game. I'm not really a fan of any of those players though, but if I had to pick a favorite it's Ovechkin because he's at least funny to watch sometimes. That said, it's not him.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

Crosby pretty easily I'd say. He's steadily matured into a more well-rounded player, Ovechkin is an even-strength liability by this point. The league seemed to figure Ovechkin out by about 2011, and he never adjusted or adapted. Still one of the most lethal players in history on the PP, but if you stay out of the box it's pretty easy to keep him in check, relatively speaking.

 

[Plural]

Crosby is the better player. Ovechkin was considered better for few seasons. But he regressed and Crosby took a step forward.

Career wise, Crosby. Counting individual awards is not the best way to determine career worth. (Although it is nice)

 

[Horvath Broncos]

i'd still say career-wice Ovechkin mostly because the injuries Sid has suffered, but it is just matter of time before Crosby passes him.

 

[Beau Knows]

Crosby even with the injuries, just a far better overall player.

 

[Ishdul]

Largely because of the injuries, the only years where I'd take Crosby over Ovechkin would be 06/07 and this year. So as of now, definitely Ovechkin.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

If you have actually won championships, and are consistently and widely regarded as the best player in the game, you've probably had a better career to date. Ovechkin may even still be the most potent offensive weapon in the league, but it seems to me that he has a lot more left on his career "to do" list than Crosby at this point, has more and bigger holes in his game, and seems less committed to addressing any of those short-comings as well.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

i'd still say career-wice Ovechkin mostly because the injuries Sid has suffered, but it is just matter of time before Crosby passes him.

I agree with this post. Before the current season, I would have said definitely Ovechkin (largely because of Crosby's injuries), but I can see a good argument for either of them now and unless Ovechkin gets his head out of his ass or Crosby gets injured again, I think Crosby's going to pass him soon and remain ahead.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Scoring finishes are similar.

Crosby 1st 1st 2nd 3rd 3rd 6th

Ovechkin 1st 2nd 3rd 3rd 3rd 7th

Awards are pretty even

 

[BigClemMacdonald]

Crosby even with the injuries, just a far better overall player.

Yes. Jesus Christ these two aren't even close any more

 

[quoipourquoi]

Crosby, but if their careers were to end now, Ovechkin's would look better on paper, not unlike the Morenz/Shore business where the better player has fewer Harts.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Crosby, but if their careers were to end now, Ovechkin's would look better on paper, not unlike the Morenz/Shore business where the better player has fewer Harts.

The trophy cases are pretty equal now

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Crosby, but if their careers were to end now, Ovechkin's would look better on paper, not unlike the Morenz/Shore business where the better player has fewer Harts.

I can imagine the line of "investigation"/reckoning 20 years from now if that actually happened, and the confusion surrounding how Crosby can be seen as a better player over the era according to media accounts of the time, considering the Hart trophies, how low goal scoring was, and how much better Ovechkin was at goal scoring between the two. After all, with the DPE fairly defined, what follows (the "work stoppage era", if you like) is an interesting picture of fight backs to regain offense that still resulted in diminishing returns in terms of league scoring. The injury aspect will further confound the issue.

Question is, will we still be typing these discussions at that point, or simply "experiencing" them together somehow.

 

[Boxscore]

On paper these guys are close. But in terms of all-around players, Crosby is significantly better than Ovechkin, except for scoring goals.

 

[Ishdul]

Until 2011/12, Ovechkin's defensive numbers were better than Crosby's. Take that as you will.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Until 2011/12, Ovechkin's defensive numbers were better than Crosby's. Take that as you will.

Can you be more specific about what you mean by "defensive numbers?"

I do think Crosby has gotten overrated defensively. I think he was becoming a strong two-way player around 2009 and 2010, but he has regressed since.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Until 2011/12, Ovechkin's defensive numbers were better than Crosby's. Take that as you will.

Until then he wasn't just scoring, he was busting people up physically. A groin tweak, a few shoulder injuries and a few suspensions later he seems to have adopted a considerably less "assertive" approach to the game, and the perception of his defensive game has obviously suffered the most as a result. Another credit to Crosby, imo, who has undoubtedly faced the "bigger" health obstacles, yet seems to have come back better than ever each time.

 

[Plural]

Can you be more specific about what you mean by "defensive numbers?"

I do think Crosby has gotten overrated defensively. I think he was becoming a strong two-way player around 2009 and 2010, but he has regressed since.

He is definitely grossly overrated in terms of defensive game right now. I think he was actually on his way to put a real fight for the Selke. But after his neck issues the same wasn't there. Right now, I consider him as offensive center. Pretty good one. But his defensive game is nothing to write home about.

 

[Ishdul]

Can you be more specific about what you mean by "defensive numbers?"

I do think Crosby has gotten overrated defensively. I think he was becoming a strong two-way player around 2009 and 2010, but he has regressed since.

Really across the board.

Ovechkin
07/08: 0.737 GA/20, 9.056 SA/20, 15.944 CA/20, 58.1% OZS%
08/09: 0.883 GA/20, 9.637 SA/20, 17.851 CA/20, 58.3% OZS%
09/10: 0.586 GA/20, 9.170 SA/20, 17.166 CA/20, 55.6% OZS%
10/11: 0.666 GA/20, 9.453 SA/20, 18.369 CA/20, 51.6% OZS%

Crosby
07/08: 0.738 GA/20, 10.036 SA/20, 19.005 CA/20, 49.8% OZS%
08/09: 0.830 GA/20, 10.268 SA/20, 19.436 CA/20, 56.8% OZS%
09/10: 0.968 GA/20, 9.301 SA/20, 18.161 CA/20, 56.7% OZS%
10/11: 0.772 GA/20, 10.510 SA/20, 18.937 CA/20, 47.0% OZS%

The fancy numbers aren't there for 05/06 and 06/07, but on the outset Ovechkin's look better in 05/06 and Crosby's look better in 06/07, although I would wager that a large part of that is the Capitals just sucking in 06/07, and I don't think the people how believe in Crosby as a defensive forward think he emerged as such that early. Anyways, this isn't to say that Ovechkin is a great defensive forward (although I think his faults are exaggerated) or that Crosby is bad defensive forward (although there are some people giving him too much credit in that aspect), but I think a lot of this, including Ovechkin's defensive numbers in the past 3 years, is at the mercy of the rest of the team. And of course, I think that goes beyond Crosby and Ovechkin.

 

[Hardyvan123]

In well over 100 games less played Sid is within range of AO in points and his overall play, international and playoff play really tip the edge to Sid.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/pla...val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=points

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

It's still Ovechkin as of right now. His trophy case is better than most Hall of Famers. Though I have no doubt Crosby will add some more MVPs and scoring titles.

 

[Sentinel]

The trophy cases are pretty equal now

Except where it matters. Crosby is a better player and has three big wins to Ovy's zero. It's not even close at this point.