Better 36-year-old season: Crosby 23-24 vs Ovechkin 21-22
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Sid is having a great season slight edge ovi though the 50 ginos is what does it for me
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They’re pretty close but I’d give Ovechkin the edge for being among the leaders the first half of the year
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Very close - 2 of the best 36 year old seasons of all time.
Ovechkin by a bit for me, as points relative to the rest of the league are about a wash, but Ovechkin was 4th in the league in goals while also missing 5 games. He also had 108% more goals than #2 on his own team. Truly carried their goalscoring.
Up until the Guentzel trade, Guentzel had 52 points in 50 games (a higher point/gp than Crosby who had 63 in 61). And only had a 45% lead on him in goals. Since that trade Guentzel has been the Canes best player and has shown he didn't need Crosby to produce. The counter part is that Crosby has been amazing himself (but at the same time, Malkin and Rust have finally woke up, and Bunting has been fantastic for them too).
Ovechkin by a bit for me, as points relative to the rest of the league are about a wash, but Ovechkin was 4th in the league in goals while also missing 5 games. He also had 108% more goals than #2 on his own team. Truly carried their goalscoring.
Up until the Guentzel trade, Guentzel had 52 points in 50 games (a higher point/gp than Crosby who had 63 in 61). And only had a 45% lead on him in goals. Since that trade Guentzel has been the Canes best player and has shown he didn't need Crosby to produce. The counter part is that Crosby has been amazing himself (but at the same time, Malkin and Rust have finally woke up, and Bunting has been fantastic for them too).
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Joe Thornton 2015-2016. 82 points in 82 games, good for fifth in the NHL. Elite possession numbers, SCF appearance.
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Ovechkin had Kuznetsov and Carlsson soaring over 70 points and was (as usual) very reliant on the PP for a third of his production. Dude has never played a lick of defense. He came a distant 10th in Hart voting with a couple votes thrown his way, presumably by Washington media.
Only Malkin is sniffing 60 points for the Pens this year and barely 20% of Crosby’s production is on the PP. Sid will finish high in the Selke voting and could end up as high as 5th in the Hart race by single-handedly dragging an awful Penguins team into playoff contention.
The answer is 87 by a clear margin, as it always is with these two.
Only Malkin is sniffing 60 points for the Pens this year and barely 20% of Crosby’s production is on the PP. Sid will finish high in the Selke voting and could end up as high as 5th in the Hart race by single-handedly dragging an awful Penguins team into playoff contention.
The answer is 87 by a clear margin, as it always is with these two.
If Crosby gets any Selke votes this year that's entirely due to reputation.
I usually champion Crosby well over Ovechkin due to a more impactful game, but he has taken his liberties from two-way hockey to carry the mail offensively. All of his defensive metrics are the worst they've ever been and some of the worst in the league this year.
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Was he playing at that level? Or was he just getting lucky and putting up points? If I remember he had some absurd on ice shooting percentage for the first half of the season
Crazy because Joe Thornton arguably had a better 36 year old season than either of them finishing 5th in points and better defensively than Crosby this season. Have to go with Ovechkin here though as 50 goals at age 36 in only 77 games is insane, and that was with him slowing down considerably in the 2nd half.
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If you think there's always a clear margin when comparing these two players, then you're nowhere near objective.
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Ovechkin will go down as one of the more criminally overrated players to ever play.
Cherry picks and pad stats in obvious defensive situations.
Couldn't pick his own goalie out of a police lineup.
Then people go "look at the stats".
People have lost the plot and think hockey is just offensive points.
If you've ever played hockey, you know you're not really doing more in a 6-5 game than a 2-1 game.
In 30 years of watching hockey, I've seen Ovechkin sell out defense for stats more than any 10 other players combined I can think of.
Cherry picks and pad stats in obvious defensive situations.
Couldn't pick his own goalie out of a police lineup.
Then people go "look at the stats".
People have lost the plot and think hockey is just offensive points.
If you've ever played hockey, you know you're not really doing more in a 6-5 game than a 2-1 game.
In 30 years of watching hockey, I've seen Ovechkin sell out defense for stats more than any 10 other players combined I can think of.
Excluding EN situations, no forward has been on ice for more EVGA than Crosby in 23-24.
Here's how their numbers stack up in the respective seasons:
Crosby EVGA 79 (3.74/60)
Ovechkin EVGA 61 (3.14/60)
Source: evolving-hockey.com
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The stats are close enough where I’ll favour the goal scorer
4th in the league at age 36 is insane. Goes to show how dominant of a goal scorer ovechkin is
4th in the league at age 36 is insane. Goes to show how dominant of a goal scorer ovechkin is
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It’s possible to vote Crosby here without coming up with deranged Ovechkin takes
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Crosby very easily lol. More points much better all around game. Leads the league in faceoff wins. And 4th in faceoff percentage with 58%. Brings way more to the table
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I was really hoping that hyperlink on "world" would lead to a picture of a flat earth
Came here to say something like this and sure in fantasy leagues Ovi was better (position scarcity and goals) but in the NHL Crosby really carried a lifeless corpse till the end of the season with elite faceoff skills and a much better 200 foot game.
Crosby still really drove play much better and had more overall impact on the ice.
