Best player in Penguins history runner-up

[toothlessgoon]

It's very close between Jagr and Crosby in the Penguins poll. So who's the second best Penguin of all-time?

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[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Crosby not remotely close

 

[banks]

Crosby.

 

[jetsforever]

Not even an option for Jack Johnson?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Crosby not remotely close

Is this because of how things ended or purely on their play?

 

[Hockeyholic]

Jagr. Not close.

Crosby won 2 CS's. Only 1 was legit.

Crosby may be a bit better in PO. But Jagr had many playoffs without Lemieux. And was still very good.

Jagr has more individual awards.

 

[um]

Crosby not remotely close

Its a little close.

I got Crosby in the 5-10 range. Jagr in the 10-15 range.

 

[Party Kane]

All time its alot closer. Both arguable top 5 all timers. For the penguins alone, its crosby and its not close

 

[hamzarocks]

Its a little close.

I got Crosby in the 5-10 range. Jagr in the 10-15 range.

think this is for their tenure as Pens only.

So Jagr's three elite NYR years, 3 good years on the CAPs (good as being ppg or so) and his stint from 2012 onwards where he showed some incredible longevity aren't considered.

Crosby has clearly passed Jagr the Penguin a while back

 

[nowhereman]

Jagr. Not close.

Crosby won 2 CS's. Only 1 was legit.

Crosby may be a bit better in PO. But Jagr had many playoffs without Lemieux. And was still very good.

Jagr has more individual awards.

Crosby has a better argument than Jagr for the 5th best player of all time and you don't think it's close?

This is clearly Crosby. The only reason Jagr has more hardware is because he was healthier than Sid during their respective primes. Crosby is a much better all-around player, a better playoff performer, and a substantially better leader. And, as always, claiming that Crosby's first Smythe was unearned is essentially outing yourself for stat-watching.

 

[Weztex]

Jagr. Not close.

Crosby won 2 CS's. Only 1 was legit.

Crosby may be a bit better in PO. But Jagr had many playoffs without Lemieux. And was still very good.

Jagr has more individual awards.

I find it funny when people discount one of Crosby’s Conn Smythe but don’t bother to bring up the 2 other runs he has that would have been Smythe worthy most seasons. As if those don’t exist because he didn’t get the trophy.

As far as major awards go (Art Ross, Hart, Richard, Smythe, Pearson) it’s actually 11-8 in Crosby’s favor. That is despite Crosby missing an immense chunk of his peak and prime.

Counting individual awards only takes you so far. In this case, it makes it even less lopsided that it should be.

 

[Hockeyholic]

I find it funny when people discount one of Crosby’s Conn Smythe but don’t bother to bring up the 2 other runs he has that would have been Smythe worthy most seasons. As if those don’t exist because he didn’t get the trophy.

As far as major awards go (Art Ross, Hart, Richard, Smythe, Pearson) it’s actually 11-8 in Crosby’s favor. That is despite Crosby missing an immense chunk of his peak and prime.

Counting individual awards only takes you so far. In this case, it makes it even less lopsided that it should be.

2008: They lost in six. He had no chance at the CS of the loser.

2009: Malkin was better. Yes, in most years he does win the CS.

I assume these are the years you are referring too?

 

[Weztex]

2008: They lost in six. He had no chance at the CS of the loser.

2009: Malkin was better. Yes, in most years he does win the CS.

I assume these are the years you are referring too?

Yes. And to be clear, I'm not saying he could or should or have won the Smythe in 2008. I'm pointing the fact that he led the playoffs in points, tied with a Conn Smythe winner everybody agrees on. To try and ''minimize'' Crosby's 2016 CS win, as a lot of posters like to do, serves little purpose considering he still have better runs that the one they contest. That's why trophy counting have major limitations when trying to make or break a player's case. It's especially true when looking at Crosby's accolades.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

This is pretty close, I think. For best Penguin I'd have to go with Sid because of longevity but I do think Jagr's peak is really, really underrated.

 

[LightningStorm]

Easily Crosby. I do rank Jagr higher all time but as strictly a Penguin Crosby has without a doubt surpassed him.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Considering the question is framed as Penguins history it seems clear the answer is Crosby.