Bernier, Horton, Brown
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ShyCheetah
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As for Bernier. he may or may not get down to a trim playing weight. All I know is if you're a hockey player and you're still fat...basically you're fat. A fat hockey player is like a bald barber, would you put your faith in one of those? Shy.
Qubax
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Why can't he lose weight...?
Andrei Medvdev has...?
I don't get...guys get in better shape all the time....better shape from worse shape....
I mean I am sure Bernier is not in horrible shape...he could just use some work on his conditioning as his major source of improvement....He already skates pretty well for a big kid....has a great shot is very strong and has good hockey instincts..He reminds me of a typical Power Forward like a Shanahan or Iginla type....
I don't see why he can't lose weight....
Andrei Medvdev has...?
I don't get...guys get in better shape all the time....better shape from worse shape....
I mean I am sure Bernier is not in horrible shape...he could just use some work on his conditioning as his major source of improvement....He already skates pretty well for a big kid....has a great shot is very strong and has good hockey instincts..He reminds me of a typical Power Forward like a Shanahan or Iginla type....
I don't see why he can't lose weight....
X-SHARKIE
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Steve Bernier has already lost the weight I believe. He's been alot quicker this year and has looked very trim compared to last season. Thats not a worry.
Marchy79
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Qubax said:
Actually, Bernier was in the worst shape in recent memeory at the fitness workouts last year among the top 50 prospects.
ShyCheetah
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Not that he won't keep it under control, it's just that when I think of players that were drafted with conditioning problems, Pat Falloon, Medvedev, or ...(that Check kid...Flyers? the one that eats hot dogs between periods), they never seem to get past it 'cause it's a mental thing. I mean How can you be a pro player and not be skinny? It takes alot of work to be an over weight hockey player. Shyy.
X-SHARKIE
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I have one tape on him, and others who watch QMJHL say he has been quicker. He is about 6-2 1/2 so he's a big kid, 230 pounds isnt huge for his size. He's dropped 15 pounds according to www.sj-sharks.com since draft day.
bottom line... he looked amazing vs. the russian selects and he'll evolve into a solid 2nd liner imho. But I like Horton the most out of them...
rahan said:
really? they are both great players... i'm glad though I stole MA Bernier in my keeper league in the 3rd round
Baron Von Shark
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According to the Sharks org, Bernier lost 10-15 pounds. He trimmed the baby fat and is mostly muscle now. I was at the first Sharks mini-camp not to long after the draft, at the Rookie Tournament in LA, and there for training camp and the preseason games. Bernier definately looked in shape. It was noticeable in the beginning of the summer that his conditioning needed a lot of improvement, but by fall he was up to par. Add to that, I saw him in street clothes many times over that period, and it's definately more muscle than fat. I agree though, he doesn't look all that quicker.
***edit: And being around 230-235 for a kid pushing on 6'3" is not unusual. Take a look at the vital stats for a lot of big guys in the NHL. Jagr, for example, is listed at 6'2", 230 lbs.
***edit: And being around 230-235 for a kid pushing on 6'3" is not unusual. Take a look at the vital stats for a lot of big guys in the NHL. Jagr, for example, is listed at 6'2", 230 lbs.
Qubax
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Okay so consensus is Steve Bernier is fine interms of weight...
One guy said 2nd line NHLer....
okay...and Horton and Brown....
Anyone else....? How would you rank these guys..? Thanks
One guy said 2nd line NHLer....
okay...and Horton and Brown....
Anyone else....? How would you rank these guys..? Thanks
Baron Von Shark
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If all players fulfill the full potential: Brown and Bernier, high end 2nd liners. Horton, 1st liner. Just my opinion.
Qubax
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X-SHARKIE
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Qubax said:
Brown 2nd liner, I see Horton a definite 1st liner. If Bernier hits his potential I also see a first liner.
Horton - Highest potential slight risk - At best a Thornton, at worst Cris Gratton
Brown- Best scoring touch ,powerforward - at best Bill Guerin, at worst Adam Deadmarsh
Bernier isn't anything special imo.
Brown- Best scoring touch ,powerforward - at best Bill Guerin, at worst Adam Deadmarsh
Bernier isn't anything special imo.
I take it you have seen Bernier play a bit. I would be interested in the games you saw him plat & who he was matched up against, cause he does have some very good nights & some average nights.Frolov said:
I think your Dustin Brown expectation "at worst" is ridiculous. You do know that it is much more likely he will be something like a Moreau than a Deadmarsh .
Marchy79
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X-SHARKIE said:
I agree with your posting...
As I recall, the knock on Dustin Brown was that his ceiling is not high enough, (which is the reasoning I believe he fell down on draft day) He has a nice set of hands and could be a decent second liner some day.
Bernier is a wild card IMO... he has talent, but he has to condition his body to play in the big show...
Horton has great potential.. I am unsure if and when he'll hit that level though... If he does, he'll be the big player of the three to watch.
Baron Von Shark said:
I agree. Horton for assists and points as for goals Bernier and Brown are about even I like Brown to perhaps be a little more consistent from year to year although Bernier's improved training will be a big step towards him becoming a reliable goal scorer.
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Frolov said:
He's a kings fan it's obvious. I'm a Sharks fan it's obvious. SNs...But i'm not blind on this one. To think Dustin Brown is Bill Guerin is nasty. Deadmarsh at worst? SO your saying at the least he'll be a top 6 forward.. lol.
YOu seen Bernier play? Where/When? Prospect tournament? I doubt you have seen him more then 3 times, He has huge upside. Horton at worst Chris Gratton? There styles are not similar. He doesnt play like Joe Thorton either. I dont know about some people.
If Horton scored in half of the posts and wide open nets he' had this season that he's missed, he'd have 12 goals. Horton, if he lives up to his potential, should be a 35 goals 35 assist player with the upside of Thorton, downside of Isbister ( 
yikes). I have not seen Brown or Bernier play so I can't judge. Now under Dudley, Horton will see very limited ice time as he doesn't play his fourth line. Horton works hard but is just not ready for the nhl. He does have 3 goals though and almost has more points than Thorton did his first year.
yikes). I have not seen Brown or Bernier play so I can't judge. Now under Dudley, Horton will see very limited ice time as he doesn't play his fourth line. Horton works hard but is just not ready for the nhl. He does have 3 goals though and almost has more points than Thorton did his first year.
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PanthersRule said:If Horton scored in half of the posts and wide open nets he' had this season that he's missed, he'd have 12 goals. Horton, if he lives up to his potential, should be a 35 goals 35 assist player with the upside of Thorton, downside of Isbister (
Horton could be a goal scoring and point producing team captain powerforward. Like Joe, but the styles of play IMO are quite different.
Qubax
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Yeah Horton...reminds me of Shanahan or Iginla.....
Brown I haven't seen play...
I think Bernier is a more similiar player to Horton then Brown is...
I do agree Horton is the best player...I also think he'll be a winger when it's all said and done....
Brown I haven't seen play...
I think Bernier is a more similiar player to Horton then Brown is...
I do agree Horton is the best player...I also think he'll be a winger when it's all said and done....
I haven't really seen Horton or Bernier so I won't comment on them. Except of course that I hope no Shark prospects pan out, insert smiley here. That said, I have seen every Kings game this year.
Those that think Brown's upside is as a 2nd line player are underestimating him. No, he hasn't racked up points yet but he has shown flashes of what is to come. The kid hits everything that moves and is always smiling on the ice. He has an amazing attitude. With his hands, shot, frame and work ethic, he is very capable of being a top line power forward. By no means am I saying he is guaranteed to make it as one but it is his ceiling. 2nd line is too low a ceiling for him.
Brown: Best 1st line scoring power forward
Worst 3rd line checker with scoring touch and leadership abilities
Those that think Brown's upside is as a 2nd line player are underestimating him. No, he hasn't racked up points yet but he has shown flashes of what is to come. The kid hits everything that moves and is always smiling on the ice. He has an amazing attitude. With his hands, shot, frame and work ethic, he is very capable of being a top line power forward. By no means am I saying he is guaranteed to make it as one but it is his ceiling. 2nd line is too low a ceiling for him.
Brown: Best 1st line scoring power forward
Worst 3rd line checker with scoring touch and leadership abilities
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JasonMacIsaac said:
Really...?
Friesen is just fast...skilled and not all the physical...
I don't get it...Jeff Friesen...
I would have never thought that....oh welll
maybe your right....I still hope he pans out to be more then that...
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