Player Discussion: Barzal Fined for Diving/Embellishment

[Tres Peleches]

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Barzy got fined for diving. Kid can’t catch a break from the Refs or the league. My question is when do they start fining referees for letting him get dragged around like a rag doll by his opponents

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[Strait2thecup]

This is f***ing ridiculous. He needs to stop talking to the refs even though he’s right

 

[Tres Peleches]

This is f***ing ridiculous. He needs to stop talking to the refs even though he’s right

Yup. As much bullshit as it is, he’s gotta suck it up and kiss their rings since no one is gonna step in and stop them from being biased pieces of shit

 

[Kevin27NYI]

This is f***ing ridiculous. He needs to stop talking to the refs even though he’s right

It's so frustrating but Barzy chirps them non stop. He needs to learn like Crosby did

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Peculiar move by the NHL for all the fouls that are not called on him. If this is the case, then Mathew should wear it proud since Gretzky used to dive too. But more times than not, he would get the call. I think the Isles need to hire Bill Barber and work on their techniques better, from what I see around the league, there are teams interfering and getting away with it, and some players are better at drawing penalties than others.

 

[Riseonfire]

I’m in Barzal, my first call is to the NHLPA.

What a terrible way to lose 2k. Could have bought some TSLA or GME calls and been happier losing it

 

[teknics]

You look at his face and all the cuts and stitches - and TWO TIMES his nose bled against the Caps the other night. But sure, I guess he could also help his own case by shutting his mouth too for sure.

He definitely gets shafted more times than not.

 

[GrandmaSlices51631]

I know it isn't what we want to see, but i'm wondering if he is going to start responding like McDavid has and add a little Muay Thai to his game ...

We do gripe about Barzal's discipline and taking poor penalties but maybe he needs to dish it out a little too, when appropriate. Many of his penalties are pointless. If he's going to go in the box, may as well get his piece of flesh.

Of course, McDavid plays at a 120 point pace, so he gets a pass to defend himself.

The amount of abuse Barzal takes is ridiculous. All of this talk about "playing heavy" but maybe what we really need is a guy who will be his security. Could you stomach Eberle getting slotted elsewhere or traded if we could get another 25 goal scorer who doesn't take shit?

 

[MJF]

THIS. IS. BULLSHIT.

Sincerely,

Someone who thinks Barzal whines too much to the refs.

 

[PK Cronin]

I know it isn't what we want to see, but i'm wondering if he is going to start responding like McDavid has and add a little Muay Thai to his game ...

We do gripe about Barzal's discipline and taking poor penalties but maybe he needs to dish it out a little too, when appropriate. Many of his penalties are pointless. If he's going to go in the box, may as well get his piece of flesh.

Of course, McDavid plays at a 120 point pace, so he gets a pass to defend himself.

The amount of abuse Barzal takes is ridiculous. All of this talk about "playing heavy" but maybe what we really need is a guy who will be his security. Could you stomach Eberle getting slotted elsewhere or traded if we could get another 25 goal scorer who doesn't take shit?

I'd love to see him add that element to his game, not necessarily taking penalties, but being more physical in general. Sign me up for a guy who can put the puck in the net and also cave someone's face in. There aren't many of those guys around though. Lee is close, but he's not an intimidating fighter.

 

[GrandmaSlices51631]

I'd love to see him add that element to his game, not necessarily taking penalties, but being more physical in general. Sign me up for a guy who can put the puck in the net and also cave someone's face in. There aren't many of those guys around though. Lee is close, but he's not an intimidating fighter.

Yeah, I am not exactly a proponent for Barzal doing that, but I think part of the reason he is doing it is because he doesn't have enough muscle on his wing, especially with Lee absent. Plus, Lee is imposing but a nice guy.

Easier said than done, but I'm thinking of players like Tuch or Wood. Eberle may have finesse, but if there is a guy out there with similar goal scoring ability who would play more of a Power Forward game, I think it could give Barzal some breathing room.

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

If you need any more proof of the NHL and refs not treating Barzal the way they treat McDavid and Crosby and Ovechkin and Matthews, there it is. The guy gets cross checked, elbowed, held, high sticked more than anyone I have ever seen, barely ever gets called. And if one time he might slightly embellish it, he gets publicly called out by the league. How many fines for this have there even been this year, I dont remember seeing many, if any.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Are they saying he took the stick and held it onto himself to make it look like a hook? That’s the only thing that makes any semblance of sense to me here

 

[PK Cronin]

Yeah, I am not exactly a proponent for Barzal doing that, but I think part of the reason he is doing it is because he doesn't have enough muscle on his wing, especially with Lee absent. Plus, Lee is imposing but a nice guy.

Easier said than done, but I'm thinking of players like Tuch or Wood. Eberle may have finesse, but if there is a guy out there with similar goal scoring ability who would play more of a Power Forward game, I think it could give Barzal some breathing room.

I like Tuch's game a lot whenever I see him play. Eberle plays small and is very one dimensional. When he first came here it looked like he was try to shed that reputation a bit, unfortunately he reverted back. I don't think he's as bad as was advertised and I still like him as a player, he just doesn't provide any physical presence at all. I think Barzal is actually more physical.

 

[GrandmaSlices51631]

I like Tuch's game a lot whenever I see him play. Eberle plays small and is very one dimensional. When he first came here it looked like he was try to shed that reputation a bit, unfortunately he reverted back. I don't think he's as bad as was advertised and I still like him as a player, he just doesn't provide any physical presence at all. I think Barzal is actually more physical.

Agreed on all points. Just to clarify, I understand there are only a handful of good power forward types and the cost via trade is likely prohibitive.

As an organization, we should be drafting accordingly.... unless a guy is the clear BPA, I think they should consider the makeup of the team and getting players that compliment our current young core of Barzal, Beauvillier, Dobson, Wahlstrom, etc.

 

[Tres Peleches]

Are they saying he took the stick and held it onto himself to make it look like a hook? That’s the only thing that makes any semblance of sense to me here

That’s what I imagine and what bothers me. There are countless cases of far worse embellishments rhat happen that don’t get penalized (either in game or out of it)

so what makes that this special?

 

[JKP]

With luck he'll be super pissed tonight and score another hat trick

 

[xECK29x]

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Barzy got fined for diving. Kid can’t catch a break from the Refs or the league. My question is when do they start fining referees for letting him get dragged around like a rag doll by his opponents

Sorry to say, Barzal is 100 a whiny player. He needs to stop

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Sorry to say, Barzal is 100 a whiny player. He needs to stop

Maybe he's whiny because he never gets calls? Not advocating for crying to the refs but it is bullshit how other players get more than him.

Star players getting calls over grinders or rookies is the dumbest f***ing thing in sports. I hate it across the board, a penalty is a penalty no matter who took it or drew it.

 

[crashthenet]

If you need any more proof of the NHL and refs not treating Barzal the way they treat McDavid and Crosby and Ovechkin and Matthews, there it is. The guy gets cross checked, elbowed, held, high sticked more than anyone I have ever seen, barely ever gets called. And if one time he might slightly embellish it, he gets publicly called out by the league. How many fines for this have there even been this year, I dont remember seeing many, if any.

Agree.

And we get the fewest calls in the league and have since Trotz has been here.

Berube publicly called out the officials earlier this year for penalizing their style of play. Hmm

 

[SI90]

I’m trying to see the dive. I just can’t see it. He’s being hooked and turning in an odd position. Maybe his reputation as a great skater is what hurts him here? Idk. To me that’s not a dive.

 

[islesmb]

I’m trying to see the dive. I just can’t see it. He’s being hooked and turning in an odd position. Maybe his reputation as a great skater is what hurts him here? Idk. To me that’s not a dive.

I agree, although his hand was on the defenders stick which could be the reason the NHL thought it was a dive. The stick looks like it got caught on Barzal and took him down. Didn't see any embellishment at all.

 

[IceNeophyte]

They keep fining for diving, the entire Sharks team is gonna go bankrupt.

 

[PK Cronin]

Maybe he's whiny because he never gets calls? Not advocating for crying to the refs but it is bullshit how other players get more than him.

Star players getting calls over grinders or rookies is the dumbest f***ing thing in sports. I hate it across the board, a penalty is a penalty no matter who took it or drew it.

Unless it's Tom Wilson, then f*** him.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Unless it's Tom Wilson, then f*** him.

That was a 1,000% a cross check on Maysy lol