Olympics: Backstrom out final game for banned substance in allergy meds II (warning post 604)

[Peabo]

If he's tinkling 190 of pseudoephedrine and not a comparable level of cetirizine, how do you think that meshes with the assertion that he was taking a pill that contained both ?

They have the trace, and although it might currently be qualitative, that trace ( in my mind) could conceivably address the assertions/conclusion of the Finnish ADA rep, no ?

If the concurrent peak is there is gives some credence to he only ingested whole pills, but it wont speak to a) how many and b) mode of ingestion. This would at least be supportive of the " i made a mistake in dosing" claim and excludes the " I topped up my pseudoephedrine with a couple of Zyrtec's"

It wouldn't exclude that he topped up his pseudoephedrine with a couple of Zyrtecs though. You can't just eyeball peaks, different compounds have them diff responses depending on column used in the chromatography. You have to calibrate for cetirizine, what may look like a small peak could be big and vice versa. So if you want to quantify it you gotta calibrate for it. This would definitely clear up the matter but that means someone gotta pay for it, it not like it cost that much actually, if Backstrom wanted to he could.

 

[Sentinel]

[mod] Zyrtek is an allergy pill. I use it regularly. Its performance enhancing effects are miniscule. Sweden lost one of its best players. I believe this tarnishes Team Canada's victory. Not that I don't think they would not have won anyway, but Team Sweden was denied a solid chance to compete.

 

[sandysan]

[mod] Zyrtek is an allergy pill. I use it regularly. Its performance enhancing effects are miniscule. Sweden lost one of its best players. I believe this tarnishes Team Canada's victory. Not that I don't think they would not have won anyway, but Team Sweden was denied a solid chance to compete.

try to keep up. WADA doesnt care about benefit, you could still be caught doping by having excessive amounts of substances that are known to INHIBIT your performance.

You can believe whatever you like but Team Canada didnt inject him with Zyrtec and if you want to hold something that Team canada had ZERO influence over, be my guest.

If you are over, you are over. How hard is that for some people to comprehend ? The WADA doesnt care about intent either.

 

[strandvag]

I think you are all crazy. Zyrtek is an allergy pill. I use it regularly. Its performance enhancing effects are miniscule. Sweden lost one of its best players. I believe this tarnishes Team Canada's victory. Not that I don't think they would not have won anyway, but Team Sweden was denied a solid chance to compete.

If pseudoephedrine is so common as everyone say, then why are they using it? In this case I don't think he took Zyrtec D, I think he took something similar to Sudafed

 

[Korpse]

I think you are all crazy. Zyrtek is an allergy pill. I use it regularly. Its performance enhancing effects are miniscule. Sweden lost one of its best players. I believe this tarnishes Team Canada's victory. Not that I don't think they would not have won anyway, but Team Sweden was denied a solid chance to compete.

The effects of pseudoephedrine are greater at higher doses. Backstrom had a high dose. Whether he reached the levels he did through allegory medication or pure pseudoephedrine is up for debate but still irrelevant.

 

[TR99]

I think you are all crazy. Zyrtek is an allergy pill. I use it regularly. Its performance enhancing effects are miniscule. Sweden lost one of its best players. I believe this tarnishes Team Canada's victory. Not that I don't think they would not have won anyway, but Team Sweden was denied a solid chance to compete.

Expect it's unlikely his high test levels are the result of taking just Zyrtek. Like do all the players even get tested after the game? Maybe he thought he could get away with taking the real stuff.

 

[chauron]

A question to experts:

If Backström would've played in the game and he would've scored/assisted, how the final result would've been? Immediate 5-0 loss? Or would've they just removed the goals he did or assisted? This is puzzling me a bit now.

 

[strandvag]

It's WAY out of proportion

There are always going to be huge fuzz over doping-cases, it doesn't matter if there is in hockey, skiing, bicycling or if the person is swedish, canadian, finn

 

[Peabo]

So.. you have to eat 5-8 times the amount recommended to go from 150 (170?) to 190? That doesn't really seem logical to me.

The recommended dose won't get you to 150. They just set the threshold at 150 to allow for the "oops, I told a few extra".

Totally different story. Visnovsky's story is much better:

“I feel terrible about this,†Visnovsky said. “I took Advil cold medication. I spoke before the Olympics with (Oilers) Dr. (Dhiren) Naidu and he told me that I’d be clear as long as I didn’t take five or six of them and I took three of them. But my levels (pseudoephedrine) were higher than normal. I was really surprised.

“Before the test, I filled out the form and said that I had taken the Advil cold and some vitamins, so it was a big surprise for me that I failed. I feel bad, because my name is now on a black list.â€

Backstrom was caught in a lie. It's not possible to have 190 mcg/ml pseudoephedrine in your blood if you take one Zyrtec-D tablet. His 1 Zyrtec-D story is BS

Yeah Visnovsky story is alot more consistent with the calculations for 3 or 4 pills. Backstrom could be innocent as far as only taking zyrtec-d but his goof-up is saying he only took one pill.

 

[Lempo]

A question to experts:

If Backström would've played in the game and he would've scored/assisted, how the final result would've been? Immediate 5-0 loss? Or would've they just removed the goals he did or assisted? This is puzzling me a bit now.

Scary bit of whatiffery because he did play in the Finland game after giving a positive sample and did assist a goal in it. I would guess there are no effect as not at least two players were tested positive which is the requirement for disqualition. Someone correct if I'm off.

 

[aLus]

A question to experts:

If Backström would've played in the game and he would've scored/assisted, how the final result would've been? Immediate 5-0 loss? Or would've they just removed the goals he did or assisted? This is puzzling me a bit now.

The final result would've been whatever the score was in that hypotethical game. Probably 3-1 Canada.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

I think we're done here. I'm sure we'll hear more about this shortly. In the meantime, the conversation has become speculative, and the discussion of fan bases / posters, and OT discussions continue even after multiple warnings.

Closed.