GDT: Avs @ Kraken - 8PM MT - "Return to the Shattered Realms"

[Ararana]

if RyJo doesn’t pan out as a 2C by the trade deadline, im sure CMac will do something.

 

[Muffin]

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Lindholm baby, The fact he hasn't re-signed yet is a good sign.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

If RyJo doesn't work this is where I would finally pull the trigger on a big trade to solve the situation definitively and for longer term.


Just not really sure who or what that trade would look like.

 

[Foppa2118]

The evaluation of Byram is way off again IMO. He starts every new season and new tournament like this. He plays an overly safe game, because he doesn't want to make any mistakes, and this causes him to have slow starts.

He's even talked about the defensive side of things being the last that comes back to his game after a layoff.

Even though his detractors think he should play an overly safe game, this is NOT how he plays his best. He plays his best when he plays on his toes and looks to push the play offensively.

This gets him into the game mentally both offensively and defensively, causes him to keep his feet moving, and lets him just play off instinct, rather than getting caught flat footed, and overthinking his reads.

He can play better, but for some reason people always nitpick everything he does at a level they don't for other players, exaggerating his mistakes, and missing all his good plays. If you hadn't watched him and just read the commentary you'd think he was an AHLer.

 

[lionsDen]

Based on three games? Sounds like the same stuff they are saying about Timo Meier on the Devils board.

Can't help thinking there's more there.

there will be a concern if this starts costing us games. Need more than three games. All in all the kraken are a team that we’re built to contain teams like the avs. I think credit needs to be given how displaced they play.

 

[Foppa2118]

I sure thought he did, but others were saying he was yelling at the refs for not calling interference on Seattle just a few seconds earlier.

Wasn't the interference. Borgen (#3) held Nate's stick coming out of the corner right before the goal. He was looking at both the ref and Borgen not Grubauer.

He had just gotten called for that BS interference penalty in the previous period, and was probably sick of the opposition getting a bunch of weak calls, while obvious ones against the Avs go uncalled.

 

[S E P H]

If RyJo doesn't work this is where I would finally pull the trigger on a big trade to solve the situation definitively and for longer term.


Just not really sure who or what that trade would look like.

Byram for Lundell as proposed in the past.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Byram for Lundell as proposed in the past.

Yeah something like that for sure. I guess the issue is with the way Byram is playing right now, I dont know that his value holds up the way we'd want it to next summer if he doesn't start playing way better.


But ya something like that would be ideal.

 

[the_fan]

Everyone take a deep breath and remind yourselves that the Avs are 3-0 and they’ll be just fine. The way I see it, the most difficult challenge for this team is gonna be Vegas, but we don’t have to worry about that match up until sometime in the playoffs, if they even match up against each other. The new guys gonna build that chemistry and we gonna roll. Just need to stay healthy

 

[Foppa2118]

Avs have almost $85M committed towards the cap next year with a 14 man roster. Aside from Tatar's $1.5M, all the other UFA's all make under $1M.

How do they afford Lundell's RFA raise and fill out the roster next summer? He's probably going to get at least the $4M Colton got on a short to medium length deal. More on a long term.

Who do they replace Byram's role on the D with? How much do they have to spend on that? The people that want to trade Byram seem to dislike Manson and JJ the most. So the D core outside the top pair with Cale and Toews, would be Manson, Girard who's not particularly strong defensively, maybe JJ, and a new addition they can't spend a lot of money on. Then the next season they'll probably have to replace Manson with a cheaper D man without making the D core even worse.

We'd have taken the strongest and deepest part of the team, the defense, the one that's younger and can keep their contention window open longer, and made it a top heavy group of question marks.

If you want to trade Byram for Lundell that's not all you have to do. You have to bring in another defenseman who's not gonna be cheap to replace Bo, figure out how to replace Manson without getting worse, and possibly make the team worse by trading another forward to afford Lundell and still fill out the roster.

Or they could just keep the cheapest defenseman they have outside JJ, their 22 year old #4 pick who's only played 94 regular season games, and improve the team without moving their best young player outside Makar.

 

[nightonthesun]

I’m lazy and don’t want to read all the pages… but, did anyone comment on the quality of the ice? So many mishandled pucks

 

[the_fan]

Avs have almost $85M committed towards the cap next year with a 14 man roster. Aside from Tatar's $1.5M, all the other UFA's all make under $1M.

How do they afford Lundell's RFA raise and fill out the roster next summer? He's probably going to get at least the $4M Colton got on a short to medium length deal. More on a long term.

Who do they replace Byram's role on the D with? How much do they have to spend on that? The people that want to trade Byram seem to dislike Manson and JJ the most. So the D core outside the top pair with Cale and Toews, would be Manson, Girard who's not particularly strong defensively, maybe JJ, and a new addition they can't spend a lot of money on. Then the next season they'll probably have to replace Manson with a cheaper D man without making the D core even worse.

We'd have taken the strongest and deepest part of the team, the defense, the one that's younger and can keep their contention window open longer, and made it a top heavy group of question marks.

If you want to trade Byram for Lundell that's not all you have to do. You have to bring in another defenseman who's not gonna be cheap to replace Bo, figure out how to replace Manson without getting worse, and possibly make the team worse by trading another forward to afford Lundell and still fill out the roster.

Or they could just keep the cheapest defenseman they have outside JJ, their 22 year old #4 pick who's only played 94 regular season games, and improve the team without moving their best young player outside Makar.

If I’m trading Byram, I rather add and get someone better than Lundell. Someone like Lindholm maybe. Lundell hasn’t really done enough for me to give up Byram

 

[Balthazar]

If I’m trading Byram, I rather add and get someone better than Lundell. Someone like Lindholm maybe. Lundell hasn’t really done enough for me to give up Byram

Certainly not trading Byram for a 29 yo making UFA money.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

If we're trading Byram, I'd still want to call Arizona first and see what it would take to get them to talk Barrett Hayton.

 

[the_fan]

Certainly not trading Byram for a 29 yo making UFA money.

I didn’t necessarily said Lindholm, I said someone like him meaning more productive. Lundell hasn’t really done enough. He has pretty much produced as much as JTC has although Lundell is younger and only played in NHL 3 years. Trading Byram should get you someone more proven

 

[the_fan]

Byram ++ for Zegras

 

[GeoRox89]

Byram ++ for Zegras

We don’t have the (realistic) assets that would need to be added to Byram to get Zegras

 

[Jazzguitar]

It was a mirage that for almost 40 minutes the avalanche gave up the puck on half their zone entries, constantly passed into skates or 5ft from the player and couldn't control pucks to clear or defend?

I saw what I saw. Maybe some of it is illusion/bias, but definitely not all of it.

Not to mention them skating around like their heads were cut off. I was certain half the team was going to end up on IR just from skating into each other multiple times. Luckily they put it together for the 3rd but yeah the first 40 was roughhhh and not just because Seattle was forcing that level of play.

 

[Avsfan1921]

It takes zero emotion to be aware that the Avs are about to waste another year of their short window going into the postseason without a second line center.

This is actually a very emotional post lol. To claim with certainty that our current try at 2c is a failure only three games in and the entire year is a waste due to that, while not allowing them time to gel after a big changeover at forward screams irrational, emotional overreaction lol.

If we get into December and the issue persists, I could understand the panic. If the issue is still their past deadline I could understand the outrage. I can even understand criticisms of their three game sample size with this club, although I don’t believe them as yet, but I just can’t wrap my head around the claim that any of our new guys will be this team’s downfall three games in.

 

[The Kingslayer]

If RyJo doesn't work this is where I would finally pull the trigger on a big trade to solve the situation definitively and for longer term.


Just not really sure who or what that trade would look like.

Byram+ for 2C

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Player performances

 

[niwotsblessing]

I’m lazy and don’t want to read all the pages… but, did anyone comment on the quality of the ice? So many mishandled pucks

I didn't see any ice last night.

 

[Vaslof]

We don’t have the (realistic) assets that would need to be added to Byram to get Zegras

MacKinnon!

 

[the_fan]

We don’t have the (realistic) assets that would need to be added to Byram to get Zegras

Probably true. Just an idea

 

[Alienblood]

The evaluation of Byram is way off again IMO. He starts every new season and new tournament like this. He plays an overly safe game, because he doesn't want to make any mistakes, and this causes him to have slow starts.

He's even talked about the defensive side of things being the last that comes back to his game after a layoff.

Even though his detractors think he should play an overly safe game, this is NOT how he plays his best. He plays his best when he plays on his toes and looks to push the play offensively.

This gets him into the game mentally both offensively and defensively, causes him to keep his feet moving, and lets him just play off instinct, rather than getting caught flat footed, and overthinking his reads.

He can play better, but for some reason people always nitpick everything he does at a level they don't for other players, exaggerating his mistakes, and missing all his good plays. If you hadn't watched him and just read the commentary you'd think he was an AHLer.