Value of: Auston Matthews

[Kamiccolo]

Just curious here, without saying "he's not for sale", let's ignore that it's unlikely he is moved.

Let's say that he comes to the Leafs and says I want 13M and will not sign for less. The team cannot afford that much money, and honestly, no one should be making more than McDavid right now.

We've heard on here before that Arizona potentially would offer up to league max on an offer sheet, so I don't think the salary demand is outrageous, but it would certainly guarantee the Leafs never win a cup with all that money tied up. Leafs already have JT as a #1 C going forward and Kadri is a fine #2 C.

So assuming that you have the potential, at the time of this deal after the season, 22 year old franchise center available, what do you offer?

Ideally the package should be future heavy with at least 1 or two established pieces. Think OEL + Keller + 2 firsts type of return.

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[McNuge]

top 6 roster player under 25, top 4 RHD, 2 firsts, and probably then some.

 

[Deuce Awesome]

These threads always end so badly. Guys like him don't get dealt in the salary cap era.

 

[A Loyal Dog]

From Habs during off-season:

- Danault
- Petry
- Suzuki
- 1st 2020
- 1st 2021

or

4 1st round picks (offer sheet style)

 

[calderon8]

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[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

From Habs during off-season:

- Danault
- Petry
- Suzuki
- 1st 2020
- 1st 2021

That would get easily topped.

 

[Deuce Awesome]

lol. It's a fun exercise. The probability of him being moved is very very very low. But still interesting to see what kind of return he may get.

Fair enough. I remember when he was about to be drafted and debating what i would trade him for. I said to Phoenix for Strome, Domi and a first. That would be worse than the Tom Kurvers trade in hindsight.

 

[A Loyal Dog]

That would get easily topped.

An offer sheet says hello. OP says Leafs cannot afford Matthews at 13m. Offer sheet comes in, Toronto will get 4 first rounders for him - my offer is better than that, considering Petry alone is worth a 1st + very good prospect, Suzuki is worth a 1st, Danault is worth a 1st. And 2 1sts are added in.

 

[justafan22]

From Habs during off-season:

- Danault
- Petry
- Suzuki
- 1st 2020
- 1st 2021

or

4 1st round picks (offer sheet style)

quantity is there, quality isn't.

Poehling would have to be in any deal.

 

[blinkman360]

I think the ask will be so astronomical that teams will just wait until the summer and cough up the 4 1st rounder compensation.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

An offer sheet says hello. OP says Leafs cannot afford Matthews at 13m. Offer sheet comes in, Toronto will get 4 first rounders for him - my offer is better than that.

Yeah, and then 20 other franchises come in after, and beat your offer.

As a side note, I yearn for the days when offer sheets aren’t discussed ad nauseum as a player acquisition tool. It very rarely happens, and isn’t worth discussing.

 

[Deuce Awesome]

I think the ask will be so astronomical that teams will just wait until the summer and cough up the 4 1st rounder compensation.

Has that happened since Scott Stevens? Looong before the lockouts.

 

[A Loyal Dog]

quantity is there, quality isn't.

Poehling would have to be in any deal.

Switch Danault for Poehling then.

I understand the quality isn't on par with Matthews - he's one of the best players in the league, but if the Leafs cannot afford him, they still get a top pairing RHD, Poehling/Danault (-potential for Poehling- top 6 2-way center), Suzuki (potential top 6 winger/center), and 2 1st round picks, which IMO is better than 4 consecutive 1st round picks.

 

[A Loyal Dog]

Yeah, and then 20 other franchises come in after, and beat your offer.

As a side note, I yearn for the days when offer sheets aren’t discussed ad nauseum as a player acquisition tool. It very rarely happens, and isn’t worth discussing.

I'm not breaking my team just to acquire 1 player. I gave my offer, you can give yours too.

 

[Kcb12345]

Tyler Seguin, Esa Lindell, 2 1sts

Or

Tyler Seguin, John Klingberg, 1st round pick or a prospect of your choice

For

Matthews + Nylander

I probably wouldn't do it just cause it would hurt the Stars in the end but why not throw it out there

 

[GOilers88]

lol. It's a fun exercise. The probability of him being moved is very very very low. But still interesting to see what kind of return he may get.

I can't think of a massive trade in recent history where HF has been even close to the actual return. It just turns into a "my teams prospects are better than your teams prospects" pissing contest and has no real bearing on what Auston Matthews would return for real. I'd say pretty much every decent prospect for every team in the NHL is overvalued as a whole on these forums. Potential is usually valued way higher than actual NHL pedigree, and that alone would tell you this is the wrong place to look for realistic trade expectations.

But it is fun, so f***it. Mathews + Marner for McDavid.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Ugh, why?

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Aho + Pesce + 2 1sts

 

[Deuce Awesome]

But it is fun, so ****it. Mathews + Marner for McDavid.

I was thinking the other day I miss those late 80's-mid 90's trades.

This would fall into that category.

 

[780il]

Draisaitl + 1st if you can find us a team that takes Lucic for free

 

[Finnish your Czech]

Tyler Seguin, Esa Lindell, 2 1sts

Or

Tyler Seguin, John Klingberg, 1st round pick or a prospect of your choice

For

Matthews + Nylander

I probably wouldn't do it just cause it would hurt the Stars in the end but why not throw it out there

Are the two trades supposed to be equal?

Don't think Klingberg is worth Lindell + 1st

The second offer is definitely worth considering though.

 

[A Loyal Dog]

Aho + Pesce + 2 1sts

If Toronto doesn't jump on this, then wow... Just wow.

 

[Advanced stats]

If Toronto doesn't jump on this, then wow... Just wow.

This Toronto fan definitely says no deal.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

If Toronto doesn't jump on this, then wow... Just wow.

Yeah I think its a very fair deal. I wouldn't offer it if Matthews would get more than 11.5.

They could play Aho as an elite 2C, Pesce to shore up their top pair, and 2 1sts to boot.

I think we'd do it because we need an upper echelon forward, and we have 1 extra RHD (Pesce would be my last choice to go, but I don't think Toronto would go for Faulk/Hamilton).

 

[DualThreat23]

NEVER going to happen (a trade) but I'll bite for his hometown Coyotes. When you factor in age, skill level, being a C, and the obvious awareness of the massive hard-on this franchise has for him, I'm thinking (and maybe Toronto attaches a middling piece plus a mid to low pick):

-Clayton Keller
-Nick Merkley
-Pierre-Olivier Joseph
-Kyle Capobianco
-2019 1st
-2020 1st
-2021 3rd

Matthews is an elite young player at a premium position who is in high demand from this franchise...anything less than this (completely hypothetical) would be a colossal miscalculation from Dubas. I think Dubas would ask for the moon and this trade would probably gut the Yotes future, but compare this to what it would cost an MLB team to acquire an elite player in his prime or heading into his prime (Trout or Betts or Lindor).