Auston Matthews vs Nathan MacKinnon

[BAM]

How many point would Lando and Ratanen have without Mac?

How many points would Mackinnon have without Rantanen and Landy? We already know by looking at his first 4 seasons.

 

[Bobby Terrance]

Matthews was nowhere near Matthews level 2 years ago

What?

 

[NextYear67]

How many points would Mackinnon have without Rantanen and Landy? We already know by looking at his first 4 seasons.

What I was going to say. Mack was nothing without Rantanen. Matthews can drive a line by himself.

 

[thadd]

How many points would Mackinnon have without Rantanen and Landy? We already know by looking at his first 4 seasons.

How many points would Matthews have without Rielly, Gardiner, Marner, Tavares, Kapanen, Nylander and Kadri?

 

[Dache]

What?

Saying. That someone wasn’t as good as someone 2 years ago should have no relevance on who’s better now. That’s my point.

 

[thadd]

What?

It's true. Matthews was on a whole nother level than Matthews 2 years ago. 'Member?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

What I was going to say. Mack was nothing without Rantanen. Matthews can drive a line by himself.

Nonsense. You can justify voting Matthews without making things up.

 

[Bobby Terrance]

Saying. That someone wasn’t as good as someone 2 years ago should have no relevance on who’s better now. That’s my point.

Ever heard of young players getting better?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Ever heard of young players getting better?

Sure. Happens all the time. What does that have to do with his post though?

 

[Bobby Terrance]

Sure. Happens all the time. What does that have to do with his post though?

I don't need to paint this picture for you do I? I know I don't because you constantly troll anything Toronto related, he was talking about growth between two young players in their 20's. But honestly not wasting my time talking to you.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I don't need to paint this picture for you do I? I know I don't because you constantly troll anything Toronto related, he was talking about growth between two young players in their 20's. But honestly not wasting my time talking to you.

So you don’t have an argument then.
I thought as much. You’re just being a homer. As usual.

 

[Bobby Terrance]

So you don’t have an argument then.
I thought as much. You’re just trolling.

This is rich. Guy is throwing stones in a glass house. Matthews scored 40 as a rookie. MacKinnon struggled for 4 years. So you don't have an argument smart guy.

 

[Plural]

Not many players I'd pick over Matthews. MacKinnon is one of them. Auston might still prove to be better.

 

[GlitchMarner]

Matthews ppg this year with Johnsson, Brown, Kapanen, Nylander = 1.33. That's higher than Mackinnon's breakout ppg last year of 1.31 playing with Rantanen and Landeskog.

To be fair, it's a smaller sample size and this season is higher scoring than last season.

 

[JetsHomer]

This is rich. Guy is throwing stones in a glass house. Matthews scored 40 as a rookie. MacKinnon struggled for 4 years. So you don't have an argument smart guy.

Nate Mack as an 18 year old rookie: 73 points in 89 games (including playoffs)

Austin Matthews as a 19 year old rookie: 74 points in 88 games

Mackinnon is the better player now and always, AINEC. Get back to me when Matthews has even a single 70 point season

 

[Soliloquy of a Dogge]

Matthews ppg this year with Johnsson, Brown, Kapanen, Nylander = 1.33.

And steadily dropping as the sample size increases.

 

[Hugh Mungus]

Matthews probably won't hit 80 points for another straight season, but we'll still see the top 5C arguments on here. MacKinnon has eclipsed him quite clearly he is the much better player.

 

[Bobby Terrance]

Nate Mack as an 18 year old rookie: 73 points in 89 games (including playoffs)

Austin Matthews as a 19 year old rookie: 74 points in 88 games

Mackinnon is the better player now and always, AINEC. Get back to me when Matthews has even a single 70 point season

What a shocker to see you rear your ugly head. How about looking at MacKinnons next two seasons? Ah, of course you won't because it doesn't fit your pathetic anti-leafs narrative that you never seem to take a break from. Read a book, man, maybe you won't be so miserable.

 

[Connor McConnor]

MacK easy, only Leaf homers and NHL.com / Leafsnet writers will vote AM here.

 

[Dache]

Ever heard of young players getting better?

That’s exactly what I am saying. One poster said that 2 years ago Mac wasn’t as good as Matthews. I’m saying that irrelevant with young players cause they improve.

 

[flamesforcup]

Matthews is more overrated than Toews was a few years ago.

 

[Duffalufagus]

MacKinnon by a wide margin.

 

[snipes]

Matthews. This thread is conveniently started while Matthews is on a cold streak

He goes through those fairly frequently

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Todd Harvey was a better player at 20 than Martin St. Louis. Dion Phaneuf was a better player at 20 than Shea Weber.

What players do in their first two years doesn’t mean **** when everyone develops at completely different rates.

This is what's so dumb about these discussions. Why are the players being compared in their first two years or whatever, when the poll is asking who is better now?

If Leaf fans think Matthews is better *now*, then vote because of that. Don't use some stupid argument that he's the choice because he was better his first two years compared to MacKinnon's first two years, completely ignoring who is the better player at this very date.

 

[BAM]

How many points would Matthews have without Rielly, Gardiner, Marner, Tavares, Kapanen, Nylander and Kadri?

Difference is we know what Mackinnon produced like before Rantanen got there. Matthews put up his rookie season numbers with Brown, Hyman and Nylander as his main wingers. He had a 1.03ppg in his sophmore year with Nylander and Hyman and this year he's put up a 1.33 ppg with Johnsson, Brown, Kapanen and rusty Nylander as his linemates. It doesn't mater who Matthews linemates have been, he's kept producing and progressing. Those linemates you mentioned of his besides Marner and Tavares lead the team to the worst overall spot in the league before Matthews rookie year. They've improved since but it's not like those players were what they are now when Matthews first entered the league.

Mackinnon had 4 years worth of games to judge him off without Rantanen and the Avs made the playoffs his rookie year.

Same hypocrites that'll say Rielly's production is inflated because of the team he plays for will also say Mackinnon didn't see a massive spike in his production after being put on a stacked line with Rantanen and Landy.