ATD Trade Thread

[ResilientBeast]

This thread is for posting and accepted completed trades.

The OP will contain a running list of all trades completed.

Trade Counter:

VanIslander - 3
Tabness - 3
ImporterExporter - 4
Hawkey Town 18 - 2
tinyzombies - 2
BenchBrawl/Sturminator - 4
Voight - 1
Claude the Fraud - 1
ResilientBeast/rmartin65 - 2
The Macho King - 4
TheDevilMadeMe - 3
RustyRazor - 1
Professor What - 2
tony d - 1

Trade List

VanIslander gets Morenz (14 overall), 59, 95, 131
Tabness gets 22, 51, 87, 123

Hawkey Town 18 gets 27, 46, 82
ImporterExporter gets 21, 57, 88

tinyzombies gets #29, #44, #80
BenchBrawl/Sturminator gets #35, #38, #71"

Voight gets #38, #116, #152
BenchBrawl/Sturminator: #43, #102, #138

ImporterExporter gets - 56, 161
Claude The Fraud gets - 57, 154

The Macho King receives: 72, 109, 145
ResilientBeast & rmartin65 receives: 81, 100, 136

rmartin65 ResilientBeast get: 86, 87, 158
tabness gets: 73, 100, 180

tinyzombies gets: 104, 113, 149, 185
TheDevilMadeMe gets : 107, 110, 143, 182

TheDevilMadeMe gets: 109, 172
The Macho King gets: 107, 182

The Macho King gets: 141, 184, 220
RustyRazor gets: 145, 182, 208

VanIslander gets: 194, 239, 275, 302
tabness gets: 202, 231, 267, 311

Professor What gets: 188, 209
BenchBrawl/Sturminator gets: 183, 219s

tony d gets: 194, 195, 411
Vanislander gets: 191, 206, 386

TheDevilMadeMe gets : 201, 232, 273
HawkeyTown18 gets: 212, 221, 257

The Macho King gets : 224, 317
BenchBrawl/Sturminator gets : 220, 333

tinyzombies gets: 226, 279, 315
Importer Exporter gets: 218, 290, 326

Professor What gets: Cowley (190), Martinec (118), 298
ImporterExporter gets: Gilmour (111), Fleury (188), 322

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[ResilientBeast]

Just to help with maneuvering at this point here's the pick table

1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18	19	20	21	22	23	24
1	36	37	72	73	108	109	144	145	180	181	216	217	252	253	288	289	324	325	360	361	396	397	432
2	35	38	71	74	107	110	143	146	179	182	215	218	251	254	287	290	323	326	359	362	395	398	431
3	34	39	70	75	106	111	142	147	178	183	214	219	250	255	286	291	322	327	358	363	394	399	430
4	33	40	69	76	105	112	141	148	177	184	213	220	249	256	285	292	321	328	357	364	393	400	429
5	32	41	68	77	104	113	140	149	176	185	212	221	248	257	284	293	320	329	356	365	392	401	428
6	31	42	67	78	103	114	139	150	175	186	211	222	247	258	283	294	319	330	355	366	391	402	427
7	30	43	66	79	102	115	138	151	174	187	210	223	246	259	282	295	318	331	354	367	390	403	426
8	29	44	65	80	101	116	137	152	173	188	209	224	245	260	281	296	317	332	353	368	389	404	425
9	28	45	64	81	100	117	136	153	172	189	208	225	244	261	280	297	316	333	352	369	388	405	424
10	27	46	63	82	99	118	135	154	171	190	207	226	243	262	279	298	315	334	351	370	387	406	423
11	26	47	62	83	98	119	134	155	170	191	206	227	242	263	278	299	314	335	350	371	386	407	422
12	25	48	61	84	97	120	133	156	169	192	205	228	241	264	277	300	313	336	349	372	385	408	421
13	24	49	60	85	96	121	132	157	168	193	204	229	240	265	276	301	312	337	348	373	384	409	420
14	23	50	59	86	95	122	131	158	167	194	203	230	239	266	275	302	311	338	347	374	383	410	419
15	22	51	58	87	94	123	130	159	166	195	202	231	238	267	274	303	310	339	346	375	382	411	418
16	21	52	57	88	93	124	129	160	165	196	201	232	237	268	273	304	309	340	345	376	381	412	417
17	20	53	56	89	92	125	128	161	164	197	200	233	236	269	272	305	308	341	344	377	380	413	416
18	19	54	55	90	91	126	127	162	163	198	199	234	235	270	271	306	307	342	343	378	379	414	415

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[tinyzombies]

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[tabness]

Trade to announce:

@VanIslander gets 14 (1st round) and 158 (9th round)
@tabness gets 51 (3rd round) and 58 (4th round)

Please confirm or reject (don't do that lol)

@ResilientBeast & @rmartin65 - Vancouver Millionaires
@VanIslander - Milwaukee Admirals
@Claude The Fraud - Hull Olympiques
@Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
@Johnny Engine - Kentucky Thoroughblades
@tinyzombies - Montreal Wanderers
@Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
@Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS
@ImporterExporter - Three Rivers Hockey Club
@zffssk - Montreal Canadiens
@Voight - Texarkana Bandits
@The Macho King - Roanoke Rail Yard Dawgs
@TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
@Dreakmur - Orillia Terriers
@tony d - Pittsburgh Pirates
@tabness - Bloomfield Hills Dollar Bills
@RustyRazor - Portland Penguins
@nabby12 - Winnipeg Victorias

 

[VanIslander]

Confirmed.

I wanted 1,8 for 3,4 but swallowed 9 instead of 8 because the 1 on the clock is arguably top 10 all time material, certainly a stellar game changer.

The back-to-back picks help.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I refuse that trade. Hate to be that guy. Sorry guys, I know it sucks.

A trade in the 1st round REQUIRES the 2nd rounders to be swapped in my eyes.

As it is it's too complicated to gauge the value and it has draft-breaking potential given the picks in play.

By precautionary principle, I veto it.

 

[rmartin65]

That’s… interesting. +37, -100 (if my quick math is right).

Like BB, I have reservations about a first being traded without a second rounder coming back. Heck, not even a 3rd is coming back. This feels like it has the potential to significantly alter the competitive balance of the draft.

I’m voting “no” unless someone can explain why/how I am looking at this wrong.

 

[tabness]

That’s… interesting. +37, -100 (if my quick math is right).

Like BB, I have reservations about a first being traded without a second rounder coming back. Heck, not even a 3rd is coming back. This feels like it has the potential to significantly alter the competitive balance of the draft.

I’m voting “no” unless someone can explain why/how I am looking at this wrong.

A third is coming back though, both the third and fourth.

I personally really don't see the value gap between 51 and 14 as much as say 4 and 5 even, but looks like the group isn't with this :/ We'll see if we can work a revised one shortly, or I'll just pick otherwise.

 

[The Macho King]

For context, this gives VI picks 14, 15, and 22.

I vote no.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I don't like "funny business" trades in general, but am way more likely to tolerate them or execute them myself further in the draft. When 1st rounders are involved, I am extremely conservative given the ramifications.

Also, I KNOW it sucks to have a trade vetoed. I've been there many times in the past. But it is what it is.

 

[VanIslander]

I would do either side of it.

I'd trade my 1st & 9th for his 3rd & 4th.

How is this bad?
Since when is a 2nd rounder required? (The 3rd, 4th rounders are friggin' top-50 material!! at the margins - whereas the 9th rounder is outside the top 150).

 

[BenchBrawl]

I would do either side of it.

I'd trade my 1st & 9th for his 3rd & 4th.

How is this bad?
Since when is a 2nd rounder required? (The 3rd, 4th rounders are friggin' top-50 material!! at the margins - whereas the 9th rounder is outside the top 150).

The trade will give you THREE players within the Top 25 which are a notch above the rest, whereas other teams will only have ONE such player. THAT is the whole point of vetoing it. It is potentially draft breaking. I do not want to compete against a team with the set of picks that this will give you.

 

[rmartin65]

A third is coming back though, both the third and fourth.

I personally really don't see the value gap between 51 and 14 as much as say 4 and 5 even, but looks like the group isn't with this :/ We'll see if we can work a revised one shortly, or I'll just pick otherwise.

You are correct about the 3rd, my mistake.

I still think that drop is too far this early in the draft, though. Thanks for being willing to re-work it!

 

[VanIslander]

So, someone at the tail end of the 1st round is not allowed to trade up to get another pick?

 

[rmartin65]

So, someone at the tail end of the 1st round is not allowed to trade up to get another pick?

They are allowed; I just think (as do others, apparently) that there needs to be more meaningful compensation for that trade up.

 

[BenchBrawl]

You can build a core like Kelly-Morenz-Lafleur or Messier-Fetisov-Ovechkin with those picks. Completely impossible to compete against that even if you lost depth.

 

[The Macho King]

You can build a core like Kelly-Morenz-Lafleur or Messier-Fetisov-Ovechkin with those picks. Completely impossible to compete against that even if you lost depth.

Or take Roy with one of those picks. Yeah its nuts.

Also I would totally top that deal :p.

 

[tabness]

So we'll give it some time to discuss, I will just give my thoughts on it. Four picks in the fifties (pair of back to backs) makes my team core. That's pretty huge on top of my 23. Also for competitive balance, while yes @VanIslander gets three quick early picks, they aren't that early, and the next time he picks is 87.

I'll be flying out tonight/Monday morning, should have enough clock time regardless, but @VanIslander also has my pick if it comes to that

 

[VanIslander]

So, a 1st, 24th for 3rd,4th deal also should be vetoed?

 

[VanIslander]

We have until Tuesday clockwise.

 

[BenchBrawl]

The point is people are uncomfortable with funny trades involving 1st/2nd rounders. Those kind of crazy trades are more appropriate for later in the draft. No one can fully understand the ramification of trades; it's too complicated. So under this uncertainty, we have to apply the precautionary principle.

 

[rmartin65]

So, a 1st, 24th for 3rd,4th deal also should be vetoed?

Probably. Someone drops down 2 to move up 20? In the first round? Yeah, I’d veto that.

 

[tabness]

So, a 1st, 24th for 3rd,4th deal also should be vetoed?

I'd like to hear the groups thoughts on this, as this looks like the only way we'll rework the trade. So if this in itself is a no go, I'll just pick.

Thanks @rmartin65, others?

 

[ImporterExporter]

I think the trade needs to be re-worked as multiple people have chimed in.

I have no problem moving out of the late 1st round, but dropping below the 2nd from there would require a massive return to make a pro argument for it. And I just don't see enough to warrant a yes vote.

Absolutely nothing personal here guys, just think tabness should be seeing a lot more value as the person moving out of the 1st.

 

[BenchBrawl]

So, a 1st, 24th for 3rd,4th deal also should be vetoed?

I would also veto it.

A 1st round trade has to be the classic structure for me to accept it

That means

1st vs 1st
2nd vs 2nd
Then a similar bump in the 3rd or 4th round depending how the picks are distributed. Anything else I'm vetoing it.

Again, nothing personal. I've been there, I know it's annoying. But we have to protect ourselves here.