ATD#7 1st Rd RESULTS: #2 Wanderers vs. #7 Leafs

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Game 1:

Gretzky does it all in Montreal

The Great One scores five points tonight in leading the Wanderers to a 6-3 opening game shootfest against the Leafs in front of a soldout crowd at the Montreal Forum. The series started fast with each team playing an up-tempo, fast-paced style characteristic of their respective coach. Mike Bossy scores unassisted 2:58 in on a 40-foot slapshot over Hainsworth's left shoulder. The right winger would finish the game with a team-high 5 shots. Shortly after the next face-off, won by the Leafs, Conacher hits Andreychuk hard and fast into the boards, drawing the ire of Horton, who at 5'10 doesn't hesitate to knock the 6'2 Wanderers captain down. On the ensuing powerplay, Gretzky sets up Hull who one-times a shot which beats Vernon but rings off the post to the far boards, where Pronger recovers and scores on a screened shot to tie the game. Before the period is out Conacher takes a penalty for fighting with Baun, getting an extra two minutes for unsportsmanlike conduct in challenging the ref's call. Gretzky scores the go-ahead shorthanded and gets another at even strength on a breakaway in the last minute of the first period. The second continues where the first left off with a goal by Hull from the right slot, on a perfect behind-the-net backhand chip by Gretzky over the stick of the oncoming Horton. Nighbor and Noble combine for a beautiful give-and-go at 11:51 of the second to put the Wanderers up 5-1 and prompting Maurice to call for a goaltending change, Vernon going 16 for 21. Alec "The Fireman" Connell lived up to his day job nickname and stopped all Wanderers sharpshooters, 17 for 17, the last Montreal goal coming as an empty netter by Burch from Gretzky on an Ovechkin turnover. Sundin and Niedermayer scored on an early third period Leafs rally which proved to be too little, too late. Leafs coach Maurice was happy with his team's energy but not with the results. "Line changes killed us," he admitted. "As the home team they get the last change and we have to be able to handle that. It'll take a team effort." Iafrate was minus-3 and Hay a minus-2 on just seven minutes of ice time.
Three stars of the game: 1. Gretzky 2. Conacher 3. Bossy

Game 2:

Leafs take away home ice advantage

Special teams and opportunistic scoring was the difference as the Leafs split the opening two games on the road with a 3-2 OT win over the Wanderers tonight. The scoreless first period saw little of the up-tempo, fast break play of the previous game, largely due to the continual march to the penalty box, 11 in all. The second period continued the trend, Wanderers Pronger serving two for crosschecking Alfredsson into the side of the net. But Leafs captain Gilmour finally capitalized on his team's fifth powerplay of the night on a Bossy rebound off of Hainsworth blocker. Gretzky tied it up at the 17:49 mark with a wrister past Vernon, whom had played the fake pass to Noble, the scoring coming on an odd-man rush generated from a botched line change which had prompted a tired #99 to stay on for one more surge. Gretzky scored the go-ahead goal on a wraparound early in the third, with Horton having rushed to flush him out from his office behind the net. Carbonneau scored the tying goal to send the game into overtime when he stripped "The Flying Dutchman" Nighbor of the puck and immediately took a shot which deflected off of Kevin Hatcher's skate past Hainsworth with 3:10 remaining in the third. Horton scored the winner on the first powerplay of extra time, on a rebound shovel into an empty net after the Wanderers goalie had made two spectacular saves against Bossy and Niedermayer, giving up a fat rebound, ending up on his back. Wanderers coach Brooks thinks his team played too tentative tonight. "We stopped skating. And with that bad things happen. Now we got to take our game to the other guys' building. And we need to get back on track," an allusion perhaps to "The Big Train", captain Conacher, who spent 8 minutes in the penalty box and appeared listless at times amid rumours he might have hurt his shoulder in trying to sucker punch Wendel Clark in a fight along the boards. The Leafs coach didn't address rumours that the ineffective fourth line might be reshuffled, with Darcy Tucker as a possible entry in the series.
Three stars of the game: 1. Horton, 2. Gretzky 3. Gilmour

Game 3:

Vernon steals a game

After giving up four goals and six points to Gretzky through the first two games, Vernon stops the only two shots Gretzky manages tonight and holds him to one point, a powerplay assist, in a 2-1 Leafs win heavy on defensive play, led by alternate captain Carbonneau. "We played as we wanted to play tonight," Carbo said after the game. "We executed our assignments and played a good team game." The Leafs were outshot 26-19 but the best chances clearly were by the home team. Ryan Smyth and Darcy Tucker each had a shot on their first shift and they would later combine for the game winner in the second period when Smyth scoops up the puck from Heatley's skates and feeds a double-shifted Gilmour after Tucker had crossed the rink to lay a full-body check to cause the turnover in the first place. Sundin and Poulin had scored to end the first period tied 1-1.
Three stars of the game: 1. Carbonneau 2. Vernon 3. Gretzky

Game 4:

Horton fights Conacher and loses

A hot temper exploded as Horton dropped his gloves to take on Conacher over halfway through the scoreless game. Although the Wanderers captain had four inches on him and was a pugalist who had even taken on Jack Dempsey in the ring, Tim Horton proved to be a handful as Conacher left the game having landed the most blows but suffering the bloodiest face, both players receiving a major and a game misconduct. Wanderers coach Brooks thought that Horton should have gotten an instigator penalty but instead the period ended without any powerplays whatsoever. The only goal of the game came at 7:29 of the third, by Cameron from Gretzky and Pronger shortly after a powerplay expired. The 1-0 win gives the Wanderers a 2-2 split heading home for game five.
Three stars of the game: 1. Conacher 2. Horton 3. Gretzky

Game 5:

Gilmour hat trick topped by Gretz

Montreal fans were treated to a top line showdown as Wanderers coach Brooks consistently put Gretzky's line out against Gilmour's, away from Carbonneau's for all but 1:08 minutes of play, and not often with Horton on the ice, and the result was a clinic in offensive skill. Hull scores on a tip in a mere 47 seconds into the game as he scoots past Andreychuk and receives a tape-to-tape pass from Gretzky that was so fast that Niedermayer later admitted he hadn't even seen it: "I thought he was shooting on net." On the very next face-off Gilmour scores again as he wins the puck and sticks it to Bossy before heading up ice, deking Cameron and burying the rebound as he crashes into the net. A couple of minutes later Alfredsson receives a goaltender interference penalty and Gilmour scores a shorthanded tally on a breakaway assisted by a lucky bounce off the boards to mid-ice on a Chara clearing shot. Clark scored to make it 2-2 before the game was ten minutes in on the pass of the series as Gretzky did a quick stop pivot to avoid the clutches of Horton, backhanding the puck over Niedermayer's stick to give Wendel his first goal of the series. In the second period Gilmour got his third goal of the game and Gretzky his third assist as the teams traded goals to enter the third all knotted up at 3. Bossy put the Leafs up with eight minutes remaining after Horton capitalized on a turnover to send Mike in alone. Three minutes later Gretzky evened things up with his fourth point and first goal of the game. On his very next shift, with two minutes remaining, Gretzky parked himself behind the Leafs net and when Chara came to check him, #99 banked a shot off of Vernon's calf into the net. Wanderers win 5-4. The Leafs now head back to Toronto down 2-3 for a home stand effort to try to force a seventh and deciding game.
Three stars of the game: 1. Gretzky 2. Gilmour 3. Bossy

Game 6:

The Team Rides The Big Train

Canada's athlete of the half-century showed his strength, skill and stamina in setting up the winning goal, recording a game-high six hits and blocking three shots as Conacher paced the Wanderers to a hard-fought 2-0 win in Toronto. Young Lindbergh recorded the shutout after subbing for an injured Hainsworth halfway through the second. "Coach [Brooks] told me I couldn't win this, that I was too young, too damn young," says the 25 year old Swede. "But he said it with a smile." The Wanderers backup faced only 14 shots. The Leafs outshot the Wanderers 31-18 overall as they tried often to recover from the early two-goal deficit on goals by Montreal's Nighbor and Poulin. Gretzky was held pointless for the first time in the series.
Three stars of the game: 1. Conacher 2. Nighbor 3. Horton

Montreal Wanderers win the series in six games.
Three stars of the series: 1. Gretzky 2. Horton 3. Gilmour
 
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Even though it's not finished yet, I just wanted to say, this is some really great work on the writeup VanIslander.
 

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Nice writeup VanI. I'm a little surprised Dave Poulin's shutdown abilities weren't more of a factor as he was always gold at playoff time. Gretzky vs. Horton would've great to witness as it would be arguably the best offensive forward ever against the best defensive defenceman ever. While Gretz never had to face anyone with Horton's style, I agree that his abilities and hockey sense would eventually prevail.

Congrats to both teams.
 

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Billy Burch - Wayne Gretzky (A) - Brett Hull
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#14 Dave Andreychuk-#93 Doug Gilmour-#20 Mike Bossy

burch vs andreychuk - both players are slow Burch is a midget compared to the giant andreychuk.

Andreychuk has better stats and points per game then burch .

Burch had the advantage of playing in the nhl during the time when the nhl wasnt the #1 hockey league in north america. That claim for a while went to the Pacific Coast Hockey Association (1911-1924). His impact is hard to truely measure because of that fact.

Andreychuk was a strong offensive garbage scoring machine. No defender on your team can handle dave in his prime

Gilmour vs gretz advantage gretz offensively but gretzky will hurt the team defensively.
Brett Hull can score but defensively he is kind of weak.

Gretzky stats were also padded by playing during the offensive golden years. They will have a hard time vs niedermyer and the legendary Tim Horton.

Bossy is the most purest goal scorer ever who came into the league during the rough and tumble 70's no one could pick a goalies weakness the way he could.Bossy was also great defensively killing pantlies and pouncing on the opponent when they messed up.

Lionel Conacher (C) - Harry Cameron
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Tim Horton and Scott Niedermayer

Cameron is another player from the weakend nhl. Conacher was a good defender but could these little guys move andreychuk from the net? Not likely could they out skate and out manouver a magician like dougie gilmour ? No could they stop bossy....no one could in the 70's and 80. Only one of these players have aNorris Trophy and thats Scott Niedermyer.

Horton was considered the strongest player ever to play during his era. His bear hugs are legednary.In his time he had the stature of a modern era scott stevens. Huge advantage leafs


Reg Noble - Frank Nighbor (A) - Dany Heatley
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#8 Alexander Ovechkin -#13 Mats Sundin-#11 Daniel Alfredsson

Frank Nighbor and Reg Noble were a fine players but they both played in a weakened nhl at the same time as bill burch. Nighbor was a fine defensive player but he is no Mats Sundin

Sundin is a geneticaly gifted modern player who can score, pass,check, paly defensivley take faceoffets.

Alfredson is a double threat he is defensive and offensive whereas Heatly is a huge weakeness defensively.

Ovechkin is a generational talent who will have a craeer thatwill out match every player on these two lines.

Chris Pronger - Kevin Hatcher
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#21 Bobby Baun-#3 Zdeno Chara
Pronger is a great defenceman Baun was known as a hard-checking pure defender, and he was a mainstay of the "Big Four" of Leafs defenders in the 1960s. is a legend who had great stamina. wilk soon have his sweater # honoured by the leafs
Hatcher is the weak link if you compare tandems advantage leafs.

Chara is a phenom with surprising offensive and ddefensive abilities.

Dirk Graham (A) - Dave Poulin - Hooley Smith
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#8 Joe Klukay-#21 Guy Carbonneau - -#25 Darren McCarty
is this a scoring line Graham Poulin Smith? I thought I was the only one who made my 3rd line the checking line.

Graham was excelant defenisvely could he match 4 time stanley cup champ Joe Klukay ..answer. no Poulin Poulin won the Frank Selke Trophy as the league's best defensive forward and the King Clancy Memorial Trophy, an award given to the player who best exemplifies leadership qualities on and off the ice and has made a noteworthy humanitarian contribution in his community.

Carbonneau In the '93 Final, the Habs faced Wayne Gretzky and the Los Angeles Kings, and in game one the "Great One" had a goal and two assists and the Kings won 4-1. Carbo approached coach Jacques Demers and requested he be allowed to shadow number 99 the rest of the way. Montreal won the next four games. He served as Montreal captain, won three Selke trophies with the team


Smith was a power forward but would he have the physical advantage to take on a physical force like mccarty, debatable but if he did then he has to get through the defence. so odds are thats chara or if he is on the ice iafrate. Both physical andmoble defenceman.

McCarthy never cost his detroit redwings any victories and he wont do that on this team either.

checking line advantage leafs


Wendel Clark - Frank Frederickson - Bill Guerin
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#94 Ryan Smyth -#11 Bill Hay -#9! Billy Gilmour
Clark was a great leader forthe leafgs but he never won anything and was washed up by age 30.

Ryan Smyth is a inspirational leader and has lead a tam to the cup finals so far once in his acareer.

Hay was the the offenisve godfather for the million dollar line in chicago and he wiill feed a offensive star like billy gilmour the puck to score time important goals and when gilmour misses smyth will be there to give it his all to chip the puck into the back of the net.

Frederickson was astarin the 1920.s was he as good as the giant bill hay ? toss up!

Bill Guerin has utilized his speed and size to become of the NHL's best two-way forwards but he was never known asasupersta and billy gilmour was! advantage leafs

Billy Gilmour scored 2 stanley cup winnigngoals durign hsi career! He scored more goals then games played in the playoffs.




Jack Laviolette - Mike Grant
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#33 Al Iafrate- # 4 CG Drinkwater

little is know about Jack Laviolette. Iafrate was a gigantic defenceman who could skate like the wind, Al was a rugged d-man who could throw thunderous body checks when needed but his offensive game was the most important element of his play as he possessed copious amounts of raw skill.
Drinkwater and Mike Grant were playing partners. - a wash




George Hainsworth
Pelle Lindbergh
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# 1 Alec Connell
# 30 Mike Vernon

Ill write this later

Spares:
Jiri Bubla -played just 256 nhl games used his mobility and hockey sense effectively at both ends of the ice and was a solid point man on the power play.
Josef Malecek - any info?
Miikka Kiprusoff -Needs to prove he can continue to raise the bar, especially with continued heavy workloads. Can he move towards elite status?

#16 Darcy Tucker -Always comes to play and forechecks very well. inspirational leader who can provide grit and scoring.
#15 Tomas Kaberle - has superior hockey sense and this allows him to play with a healthy self-confidence and collects points because he possesses tremendous hockey smarts and has the ability to find his teammates on the ice. A fluid elegant swift skater, he can wheel with the puck and loves to join the attack. Is an excellent accurate passer advantage kabs
#1 Frank McCool - won a cup for the leafs and was a stellar goalie in the abscence of broda.He outplayed the best on many of a night.

There is too much character on this team to loose!
 
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great write up, very thorough and enjoyable to read. Makes the draft worthwhile when you can put together something like this!

cheers.
 

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great write up, very thorough and enjoyable to read. Makes the draft worthwhile when you can put together something like this!

cheers.


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why would andreychuk be toppeld by conacher haha

it wouldnt happen!

im a little sick of the western alliance in these drafts


when i gave my seiries line per line assesent in my playoff thread

there wasn't one reply not one retopping of the thread..cause no one wnated my team to suceed!

the western alliance strikes again!

veryiased selective and unimaginable are soemmore words to describe the write up

2 yrs straight my teams are out and my team was better then this rag tag collection on the motnreal team

ridiculous!
 
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veyr biased selective and unimaginable are some more words to describe the write up
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I was given the result (Montreal in 6) and the breakdown of star points (all votes) and went accordingly. So the write-up was selective in that it reflected the star votes. Poulin didn't receive many votes, wasn't seen as a big factor in this series. Ovechkin, Heatley, Andreychuk didn't receive a single star point from anyone, so they weren't gonna do much in the series, Ovechkin's inexperience in the playoffs showing itself as the Leafs indicated in the match-up thread that AO would be on the ice in the closing minutes of a game when trailing, so, surprise-surprise, he turnsover the puck and the Wanderers bury an insurance empty netter. Nor did either goaltenders receive many votes, though enough that there was some impact. Bossy, Conacher and Carbonneau were expected to make an impact but their vote totals were a bit short of Horton and Gilmour. The write-up tried to reflect that fact. Gretzky received more than three times the votes of anybody as the near-consensus factor in the series. So I asked myself, how could the series reflect all these facts? Well, for starters Montreal is the higher seed so gets home ice advantage to open the series, hence last line change on face-offs, so Gretzky's line could end up playing some time against Toronto's fourth line, and certainly away from Horton. I researched PIM, playing style, coaching philosophies, etcetera.

It took several hours to write that up, too long. I have four pages of notes I took first. Unimaginable? Perhaps for the g.m. of the losing team. ;)
 
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Great Job VanIslander, I love the format and the headlines. They take a while to write up don't they? It looks like you've done a great job and researched it well. When you put the work everyone has into their teams you do feel pressure in trying to put together a worthy write-up and you've done that and even more.

Damn, looks like LL is on to the western alliance......;)

You had a good team LL, you can't win them all, especially when you're up against Gretzky.
 

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To be truthful LL, I didn't think you'd win this series, but I have to say, I was shocked when you finished last in your division. I had you in the Top 3!

Still a awesome effort, and you had a good team.

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Look on the bright side though, you get more time with your new baby girl!
 

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why would andreychuk be toppeld by conacher haha

it wouldnt happen!

im a little sick of the western alliance in these drafts


when i gave my seiries line per line assesent in my playoff thread

there wasn't one reply not one retopping of the thread..cause no one wnated my team to suceed!

the western alliance strikes again!
I said a couple times that in the event of close series, I would let GM arguments decide my pick. This was one of those series. And LL, I didn't feel that you did enough (in fact, you did nothing) to ease my concerns about Darren McCarty on the checking line, playing against the Gretzky-Hull-whomever trio. McCarty might be one of the worst players ever selected.

Rag-tag? A team with Gretzky, Hull, Pronger, Conacher, Cameron, Nighbor, Noble et al should never been labelled as rag-tag.

Lionel Conacher was the best player not in the HHOF for a long, long time. When he was inducted, one selection committee member remarked that he assumed Conacher was already there. Conacher was an absolutely terrific defenceman, the greatest athlete the game has ever seen, and at 6'2", he would be big enough and strong enough to handle Andreychuk, and he would certainly be fast enough to keep up with the plodding forward. As I said in the discussion for this thread, Conacher is one of the players that I really want but have never had.

Incidentally, JFF compiles the votes. I believe he's from the east. No western bias there. And I'm guessing that Lapierre is from Quebec. So he wouldn't benefit from a western bias.
 

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I had the Leafs winning this series in 7. So I can`t say I am surprised. I just find it a bit unfair that Ovechkin seems to be the bad guy while Crosby is already a steady player in an all timer.
 

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forget it ill never allow my teams to be voted into a playoffs to be ousted again

the other team was vastily inferior and won cause they had one player and a bunch of players from the 1920's the 20 nhlers were inferior cause the best league was in the west.
 

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I just find it a bit unfair that Ovechkin seems to be the bad guy...
Wa...?

Eighteen (18) players received three-star votes from g.m.s for this series and NOT A SINGLE vote, not one, was extended to Ovechkin. So the write up focused on the 18 players who were deemed to be a factor in the series. It's as simple as that.

Ovechkin was listed as a 2nd liner and as someone who would be thrown out on the ice during the closing moments of a trailing game, so is it any surprise that a young player without any NHL playoff experience whatsoever might turnover the puck while trying to make things happen, leading to an empty net insurance goal for the opposition? No surprise. He has an incredible 183 giveaways in two regular seasons in the NHL, second only to Ilya Kovalchuk for coughing up the puck while trying to make things happen. Playoff hockey is tight and if AO is gonna be trusted with the puck in the dying moments then don't be surprised if a turnover happens. At least at this point.

I personally love AO and am eager to see what the youngster can do in playoff hockey. I might even draft him in one of these all-time history drafts, as a fourth line banger or 13th/extra forward substitute.
 

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the other team was vastily inferior
most g.m.s didn't think so... then again, some g.m.s don't think Dallas Smith is as good as Morrow, Lowe or Foote.

These drafts are not about what is true but about what is believed to be true, though we try to make that gap as small as possible.

Honour the results. We all put a lot of effort into this and at least pretend to accept the results. Judgements vary. We all try our best.
 

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Well Gretzky does it again at the Forum for the Wanderers like he did all regular season.... Pretty close series. Thanks for the writeups VanIslanders.
 

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Wa...?

Eighteen (18) players received three-star votes from g.m.s for this series and NOT A SINGLE vote, not one, was extended to Ovechkin. So the write up focused on the 18 players who were deemed to be a factor in the series. It's as simple as that.

Ovechkin was listed as a 2nd liner and as someone who would be thrown out on the ice during the closing moments of a trailing game, so is it any surprise that a young player without any NHL playoff experience whatsoever might turnover the puck while trying to make things happen, leading to an empty net insurance goal for the opposition? No surprise. He has an incredible 183 giveaways in two regular seasons in the NHL, second only to Ilya Kovalchuk for coughing up the puck while trying to make things happen. Playoff hockey is tight and if AO is gonna be trusted with the puck in the dying moments then don't be surprised if a turnover happens. At least at this point.

I personally love AO and am eager to see what the youngster can do in playoff hockey. I might even draft him in one of these all-time history drafts, as a fourth line banger or 13th/extra forward substitute.

I don`t criticise the game summary at all. I meant that Crosby has a bigger impact on the series he is playing in than Ovechkin did. Obviously some star votes were cast on Crosby.
 

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most g.m.s didn't think so... then again, some g.m.s don't think Dallas Smith is as good as Morrow, Lowe or Foote.

These drafts are not about what is true but about what is believed to be true, though we try to make that gap as small as possible.

Honour the results. We all put a lot of effort into this and at least pretend to accept the results. Judgements vary. We all try our best.


get the voters to read about the players and then
honour the superior team


ill be voting next rnd people.
 

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geez. I voted leafs in 5 I think. But I kind of wish I didn't now from the way you're responding to losing to a great team.

I thought your team would be able to contain Gretzky, but apparently most gms disagreed. You have to respect that, they've done their research too and it differs from yours.
 

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the votes casted should be public

this way here voting cliques can be detected after a few drafts.

Hey man it's not like prize money is up for grabs here. We're making teams mostly for the fun of finding these players and seeing how it'd come together. Did you not have fun doing that?
 

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Awesome LL, great way to dismiss a great serie by your constant whining. I hope I'm not alone in this case, but I'm just plain tired of LL constant critism against everyone. We have 28 of the most knowledgable GM participating in this draft, and they put you 7th in your division and you lose to a great team in the Wanderers. There's no bias against you, if something is playing agaisnt you, is that you have act like an ass during the whole all-time draft process. The world don't revolve around you. The other 27 other GM are not trying to find way to put you down day after day.
 

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this is how i am eddie

so suck it up

i doubt the othergms read up on the players they just read acertain posters sided comments and that swayed them

im not going to win this so i may as well go down screaming foul till the bitter end;)

Nah, I'll just keep saying how your comment are silly, stupid and self centraled. Lapierre had the better team and beat you, end of story.

But now that you're eliminated, you will have more time to spend with your daughter, which is a good thing for your family and all of us ;)
 

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