ATD 2020 Assassination Thread - Jim Coleman Conference ONLY

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PLEASE REVIEW JIM COLEMAN CONFERENCE TEAMS ONLY: (see below)


Bob Cole Division:

nabby12, Winnipeg Victorias
Sprague Cleghorn, Club de Hockey de Quebec - 2 assassinations
GlitchMarner, Brampton Beavers - 1 assassination
ResilientBeast, Victoria Cougars - 1 assassination
MadArcand, Carolina Hurricanes - 2 assassinations

Rene Lecavalier Division:

Dreakmur, Orillia Terriers - 1 assassination
Leaf Lander, Toronto Maple Leafs
Habsfan18 & @VanIslander, Salt Lake Golden Eagles - 2 assassinations
tinyzombies, Valleyfield Braves - 1 assassination
ImporterExporter, Saskatoon Snipers

Ray Scapinello Division:

papershoes, Kenora Thistles
BenchBrawl, Montreal Canadiens - 3 assasinations
tony d, Marystown Mariners - 1 assasination
kruezer, North Bay Centennials - 1 assassination
Hawkey Town 18, Chicago Cougars - 1 assassination

Sam Pollock Division:

rmartin65, New York Americans - 1 assassination
Johnny Engine, St. John's IceCaps - 1 assassination
TheDevilMadeMe, New Jersey Swamp Devils - 2 assassinations
The Macho Man, Richmond Renegades
tabness, Oakland Skates

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[BenchBrawl]

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[MadArcand]

Carolina Hurricanes

Coach: Fred Shero

Keith Tkachuk - Joe Sakic (C) - Vladimír Martinec
Venjamin Alexandrov - Walt Tkaczuk - Vic Stasiuk
Johnny Gottselig - Jaroslav Holík - Joe Klukay
Miroslav Šatan - Jozef Golonka - Stan Smyl
Michal Handzuš, David Pastrňák

Zdeno Chára (A) - Nikolai Sologubov
Tomáš Kaberle - František Pospíšil (A)
Jerry Korab - Ken Daneyko
Petr Svoboda

Clint Benedict
Tomáš Vokoun

PP1: Kaberle - Sologubov - Tkachuk - Sakic - Martinec
PP2: Korab - Pospíšil - Alexandrov - Golonka - Šatan

PK1: Chára - Daneyko - Tkaczuk - Klukay
PK2: Korab - Pospíšil - Gottselig - Holík​

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

Quebec

Jacques Lemaire

Vincent Damphousse - Henri Richard (C) - Claude Provost
Simon Gagné - Jean Ratelle - Odie Cleghorn
Marc Tardif - Vincent Lecavalier (A) - Robert Rousseau
Frank Glass - André Boudrias - Don Marcotte

Marcel Pronovost - Jean-Claude Tremblay
Marc-Édouard Vlasic - Mike Grant (A)
André Dupont - Dickie Boon

Jacques Plante
Lorne Chabot

Spares: Réal Cloutier, Albert Langlois, Murph Chamberlain

PP1:
Damphousse
Cleghorn - Richard - Ratelle
Tremblay

PP2:
Lecavalier
Tardif - Gagné
Rousseau - Grant

PK1: Marcotte - Provost - Vlasic - Pronovost
PK2: Glass - Boudrias - Dupont - Boon
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Player	ES	PP	PK	Total
Damphousse	14	5		19
Richard	14	5		19
Provost	14		4	18
Gagne	13	2		15
Ratelle	13	5		18
Cleghorn	13	5		18
Tardif	12	2		14
Lecavalier	12	2		14
Rousseau	12	2		14
Glass	7		3	10
Boudrias	7		3	10
Marcotte	7		4	11

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Player	ES	PP	PK	Total
Tremblay	18	5		23
Pronovost	18		4	22
Grant	16	2		18
Vlasic	16		4	20
Dupont	12		3	15
Boon	12		3	15

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Lieu de Grandissement

Boon (Ville-Marie, Montréal)
Chabot (Montréal)
Chamberlain (Shawville)
Cleghorn (Westmount)
Cloutier (La-Haute-Saint-Charles, Québec)
Damphousse (Anjou, Montréal)
Dupont (Trois-Rivières)
Gagné (Sainte-Foy, Québec)
Glass (Pointe-Saint-Charles, Montréal)
Grant (Montréal)
Langlois (Magog)
Lecavalier (L’Île-Bizard, Montréal)
Lemaire (LaSalle, Montréal)
Marcotte (Victoriaville)
Plante (Shawinigan)
Pronovost (Lac-à-la-Tortue, Shawinigan)
Provost (Montréal)
Tardif (Granby)
Tremblay (La Baie, Saguenay)
Ratelle (Saint-Félicien)
Richard (Cartierville, Montréal)
Rousseau (Saint-Hyacynthe)
Vlasic (Pointe-Claire, Montréal)

 

[Habsfan18]

Salt Lake Golden Eagles

"Stubborn labor, self-sacrifice, selfish devotion to a favored activity, tireless perfection of athletic perfectionalism..."

Coach: Viktor Tikhonov

Captain: Mats Sundin
Alternate: Adam Oates
Alternate: Red Kelly

Patrick Marleau - Adam Oates (A) - Bernie Geoffrion
John Tonelli - Mats Sundin (C) - Jarome Iginla
Jack Adams - Rick MacLeish - Ken Hodge
Dennis Hull - Craig MacTavish - Jamie Langenbrunner

Extra: Pit Martin, Harry Smith

Moose Johnson - Red Kelly (A)
Leo Reise, Jr. - Alex Pietrangelo
George McNamara - Howard McNamara

Extra: Frantisek Tikal

Gump Worsley
Al Rollins

PP1: Sundin - Oates - Iginla - Kelly - Geoffrion
PP2: Marleau - MacLeish - Hodge - Johnson - Pietrangelo

PK1: MacTavish - Langenbrunner - Johnson - Pietrangelo
PK2: Oates - MacLeish - Reise Jr - G. McNamara

*Geoffrion will play the point on the 1st PP.

Estimated Ice Time Forwards - Tikhonov will have final say

Player	ES	PP	PK	Total
Geoffrion	14	5		19
Oates	13	4	2	19
Sundin	14	4		18
Iginla	14	4		18
Marleau	14	3		17
MacLeish	10	3	3	16
Tonelli	14		1	15
Hodge	11	3		14
MacTavish	8		4	12
Adams	11			11
Langenbrunner	7		4	11
Hull	8			8
	138	26	14

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Estimated Ice Time Defence - Tikhonov will have final say

Player	ES	PP	PK	Total
Kelly	18	5		23
Johnson	17	2	4	23
Pietrangelo	15	2	4	21
Reise Jr	16		3	19
G. McNamara	13		3	16
H. McNamara	13			13
	92	9	14

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

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[kruezer]

North Bay Centennials

Vladimir Kostka/Jaroslav Pitner

Alexander Yakushev - Igor Larionov (C) - Sergei Makarov
Jiri Holik - Vaclav Nedomansky - Nikita Kucherov
Igor Liba (A) - Vyacheslav Bykov - Josef Malecek
Gustav Jaenecke (A) - Vladimir Zabrodsky - Jakub Voracek
Erich Kuhnhackl

Yuri Lyapkin - Alexei Kasatonov
Vitali Davydov - Sergei Zubov
Miroslav Dvorak - Oldrich Machac
Zinetula Bilyaletdinov

Vladislav Tretiak
Vladimir Dzurilla

PP1
Nedomansky
Yakushev - Larionov - Makarov
Zubov

PP2
Malecek - Bykov - Kucherov
Lyapkin - Kasatonov

PK1
Bykov - Makarov
Davydov - Machac

PK2
Holik - Liba
Kasatonov - Zubov​

 

[tony d]

Marystown Mariners

Coach: Art Ross

Alex Ovechkin-Bernie Federko-Glenn Anderson
Kirk Muller-Norm Ullman-Ace Bailey
Ross lonsberry-Ryan Kesler-Mario Tremblay
Ryan smyth-Tumba johansson-petr sykora

Extras: Tony Mckegney, Jozef Stumpel

Bill Gadsby-Ken Reardon
Dan Boyle-Jimmy Watson
Mike Green-Keith Magnuson

extra; Darryl Sydor

Ed Belfour
Pelle Lindbergh

special teams:

PP 1: Ovechkin-Ullman-Anderson-Gadsby-Green

Pp2: Muller-Federko-Bailey-Boyle-Ovechkin

PK 1: Lonsberry-Kesler-Reardon-Watson
PK 2: Muller-Ullman-Magnuson-Gadsby

Captain : Ovechkin
Alternates: Ullman, Gadsby

 

[Namba 17]

I'll link the bios later

MONTREAL CANADIENS​

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GM: BenchBrawl​

Coach: Scotty Bowman
Captain: Sidney Crosby
Assistant: Dit Clapper
Assistant: Charlie Gardiner
Assistant: Patrice Bergeron


HEAD COACH​

Scotty Bowman​

ROSTER​

Gordon Roberts - Sidney Crosby (C) - Bill Guerin
Brad Marchand - Patrice Bergeron (A) - Phil Kessel
Max Pacioretty - Ivan Hlinka - Mark Stone
Milan Lucic - Craig Conroy - Rejean Houle​

Dit Clapper (A) - Jack Crawford
Gus Mortson - Viktor Kuzkin
Bryan McCabe - Niklas Hjalmarsson​

Charlie Gardiner (A)
Olaf Kolzig

Spares: Saku Koivu, Mark Streit, Alexander Radulov

PP1:
Gordon Roberts - Sidney Crosby - Phil Kessel
Dit Clapper - Bryan McCabe

PP2:
Brad Marchand - Ivan Hlinka - Bill Guerin
Gus Mortson - Viktor Kuzkin

PK1:
Patrice Bergeron - Brad Marchand
Dit Clapper - Jack Crawford
Charlie Gardiner

PK2:
Rejean Houle - Sidney Crosby
Gus Mortson - Niklas Hjalmarsson
Charlie Gardiner
​

Gordon Roberts - Sidney Crosby (C) - Bill Guerin 9/10. Very interesting stylistically, not enough scoring and star power.
Brad Marchand - Patrice Bergeron (A) - Phil Kessel 10/10. The best partners for Kessel to show what he has.
Max Pacioretty - Ivan Hlinka - Mark Stone 10/10. Even if I think, that it too early for Mark Stone to play 3d line minutes, Hlinka - Pacioretty combo is too good to not be 10/10.
Milan Lucic - Craig Conroy - Rejean Houle 10/10

Dit Clapper (A) - Jack Crawford Both were RD, right? 9/10
Gus Mortson - Viktor Kuzkin 9.5/10
Bryan McCabe - Niklas Hjalmarsson 9.5/10

Charlie Gardiner (A)/ Olaf Kolzig 9.5/10

PP1 10/10
PP2 9.5/10

PK1 10/10
PK2 9/10 F's are very questinable.​

 

[Namba 17]

Carolina Hurricanes

Coach: Fred Shero

Keith Tkachuk - Joe Sakic (C) - Vladimír Martinec
Venjamin Alexandrov - Walt Tkaczuk - Vic Stasiuk
Johnny Gottselig - Jaroslav Holík - Joe Klukay
Miroslav Šatan - Jozef Golonka - Stan Smyl
Michal Handzuš, David Pastrňák

Zdeno Chára (A) - Nikolai Sologubov
Tomáš Kaberle - František Pospíšil (A)
Jerry Korab - Ken Daneyko
Petr Svoboda

Clint Benedict
Tomáš Vokoun

PP1: Kaberle - Sologubov - Tkachuk - Sakic - Martinec
PP2: Korab - Pospíšil - Alexandrov - Golonka - Šatan

PK1: Chára - Pospíšil - Tkaczuk - Klukay
PK2: Korab - Daneyko - Gottselig - Holík​

Keith Tkachuk - Joe Sakic (C) - Vladimír Martinec 10/10 And another line I like.
Venjamin Alexandrov - Walt Tkaczuk - Vic Stasiuk 10/10 I like using Alexandrov here
Johnny Gottselig - Jaroslav Holík - Joe Klukay 10/10 Your top-9 is one of the best here. Really like it.
Miroslav Šatan - Jozef Golonka - Stan Smyl 9/10 I really like Golonka and I can live with Satan with him, but Smyl? There are much better variants.

Zdeno Chára (A) - Nikolai Sologubov 9/10. I really like Sologubov and I respect him for his unbelievable life, but top pair, even in 40 teams draft is a little early.
Tomáš Kaberle - František Pospíšil (A) 9/10 Pospisil was LD and I'd better see smb more defensively oriented with Pospisil.
Jerry Korab - Ken Daneyko 9/10 If Daneyko played RD, than 9.5/10

Clint Benedict/ Tomáš Vokoun 9.5/10

PP1 9.5/10 Kaberle over Pospisil is questionable.
PP2 9.5/10 Satan is not bad, but is not great. What about Chara in PP2?

PK1 9.5/10 I'd definitely put Daneyko instead of Pospisil there
PK2 9.5/10

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[Namba 17]

Quebec

Jacques Lemaire

Vincent Damphousse - Henri Richard (C) - Claude Provost
Simon Gagné - Jean Ratelle - Odie Cleghorn
Marc Tardif - Vincent Lecavalier (A) - Robert Rousseau
Frank Glass - André Boudrias - Don Marcotte

Marcel Pronovost - Jean-Claude Tremblay
Marc-Édouard Vlasic - Mike Grant (A)
André Dupont - Dickie Boon

Jacques Plante
Lorne Chabot

Spares: Réal Cloutier, Albert Langlois, Murph Chamberlain

PP1:
Damphousse
Cleghorn - Richard - Ratelle
Tremblay

PP2:
Lecavalier
Tardif - Gagné
Rousseau - Grant

PK1: Marcotte - Provost - Vlasic - Pronovost
PK2: Glass - Boudrias - Dupont - Boon
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Player	ES	PP	PK	Total
Damphousse	14	5		19
Richard	14	5		19
Provost	14		4	18
Gagne	13	2		15
Ratelle	13	5		18
Cleghorn	13	5		18
Tardif	12	2		14
Lecavalier	12	2		14
Rousseau	12	2		14
Glass	7		3	10
Boudrias	7		3	10
Marcotte	7		4	11

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Player	ES	PP	PK	Total
Tremblay	18	5		23
Pronovost	18		4	22
Grant	16	2		18
Vlasic	16		4	20
Dupont	12		3	15
Boon	12		3	15

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Lieu de Grandissement

Vincent Damphousse - Henri Richard (C) - Claude Provost 8.5/10. This line has nobody to score.
Simon Gagné - Jean Ratelle - Odie Cleghorn 9/10 The same. It's more passable for the second line, but still not good enough.
Marc Tardif - Vincent Lecavalier (A) - Robert Rousseau 9/10 Who will play defense, corners and slot here?
Frank Glass - André Boudrias - Don Marcotte 9.5/10

Marcel Pronovost - Jean-Claude Tremblay 9.5/10
Marc-Édouard Vlasic - Mike Grant (A) 9.5/10
André Dupont - Dickie Boon 10/10

Jacques Plante/Lorne Chabot 10/10

PP1 8.5/10 No finisher
PP2 7/10

PK1 10/10
PK2 8/10 Why Boon over Grant?​

 

[Namba 17]

Salt Lake Golden Eagles

"Stubborn labor, self-sacrifice, selfish devotion to a favored activity, tireless perfection of athletic perfectionalism..."

Coach: Viktor Tikhonov

Captain: Mats Sundin
Alternate: Adam Oates
Alternate: Red Kelly

Patrick Marleau - Adam Oates (A) - Bernie Geoffrion
John Tonelli - Mats Sundin (C) - Jarome Iginla
Jack Adams - Rick MacLeish - Ken Hodge
Dennis Hull - Craig MacTavish - Jamie Langenbrunner

Extra: Pit Martin, Harry Smith

Moose Johnson - Red Kelly (A)
Leo Reise, Jr. - Alex Pietrangelo
George McNamara - Howard McNamara

Extra: Frantisek Tikal

Gump Worsley
Al Rollins

PP1: Sundin - Oates - Iginla - Kelly - Geoffrion
PP2: Marleau - MacLeish - Hodge - Johnson - Pietrangelo

PK1: MacTavish - Langenbrunner - Johnson - Pietrangelo
PK2: Oates - MacLeish - Reise Jr - G. McNamara

*Geoffrion will play the point on the 1st PP.

Estimated Ice Time Forwards - Tikhonov will have final say

Player	ES	PP	PK	Total
Geoffrion	14	5		19
Oates	13	4	2	19
Sundin	14	4		18
Iginla	14	4		18
Marleau	14	3		17
MacLeish	10	3	3	16
Tonelli	14		1	15
Hodge	11	3		14
MacTavish	8		4	12
Adams	11			11
Langenbrunner	7		4	11
Hull	8			8
	138	26	14

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Estimated Ice Time Defence - Tikhonov will have final say

Player	ES	PP	PK	Total
Kelly	18	5		23
Johnson	17	2	4	23
Pietrangelo	15	2	4	21
Reise Jr	16		3	19
G. McNamara	13		3	16
H. McNamara	13			13
	92	9	14

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

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Patrick Marleau - Adam Oates (A) - Bernie Geoffrion 9.5/10 Marleau is a little weak for the 1st line in the ATD.
John Tonelli - Mats Sundin (C) - Jarome Iginla 10/10
Jack Adams - Rick MacLeish - Ken Hodge 9/10 Not enough defense to my taste.
Dennis Hull - Craig MacTavish - Jamie Langenbrunner 9.5/10

Moose Johnson - Red Kelly (A) 10/10. Probably, the best 1st pair in this ATD
Leo Reise, Jr. - Alex Pietrangelo 9.5/10
George McNamara - Howard McNamara 10/10

Gump Worsley /Al Rollins 9/10

PP1 10/10
PP2 9.5/10

PK1 9.5/10
PK2 9.5/10​

 

[Namba 17]

North Bay Centennials

Vladimir Kostka/Jaroslav Pitner

Alexander Yakushev - Igor Larionov (C) - Sergei Makarov
Jiri Holik - Vaclav Nedomansky - Nikita Kucherov
Igor Liba (A) - Vyacheslav Bykov - Jakub Voracek
Gustav Jaenecke (A) - Josef Malecek - Vladimir Zabrodsky
Erich Kuhnhackl

Alexei Kasatonov - Sergei Zubov
Vitali Davydov - Yuri Lyapkin
Zinetula Bilyaletdinov - Oldrich Machac
Miroslav Dvorak

Vladislav Tretiak
Vladimir Dzurilla

PP1
Nedomansky
Yakushev - Kucherov - Makarov
Lyapkin

PP2
Liba
Jaenecke - Malecek - Zabrodsky
Zubov

PK1
Larionov - Makarov
Kasatonov - Machac

PK2
Liba - Voracek
Bilyatetdinov - Zubov​

Alexander Yakushev - Igor Larionov (C) - Sergei Makarov 9/10. Larionov - Makarov were balanced with Krutov. Yakushev is a player of another style. Also, I'd rather tried smd esle as your 1st line C. With all my respect to professor.
Jiri Holik - Vaclav Nedomansky - Nikita Kucherov 8.5/10. It's still to early for Kucherov to be an ATD 2nd liner. Stylistically very interesting line though.
Igor Liba (A) - Vyacheslav Bykov - Jakub Voracek 9/10. When you look at Liba on your 3d line you think "good". Then you look at Bykov and think "great!". When you look at their RW and thnk "WTF? it has to be any finisher here!"
Gustav Jaenecke (A) - Josef Malecek - Vladimir Zabrodsky 7/10. Both Malecek and Zabrodsky were C. Jaenecke has no business to be in the ATD main roster. Malecek and Zabrodsky played the same roles in their teams... seriously, why?

Alexei Kasatonov - Sergei Zubov 8.5/10 Both were RD.
Vitali Davydov - Yuri Lyapkin 9/10 Both were LD. Lyapkin played from time to time RD (and he did played RD when paired with Davydov, but it was seldom and he played LD much more)
Zinetula Bilyaletdinov - Oldrich Machac 8.5/10 Both were RD with very limited puckmoving skills.

Vladislav Tretiak/Vladimir Dzurilla 10/10. I have no idea why Tretiak is so underrated here.

PP it needs to be reconsidered. So far it's not good enough, sorry.
PK it needs to be reconsidered. So far it's not good enough, sorry.​

 

[ResilientBeast]

Victoria Cougars

Coach: Jack Adams

Ted Lindsay (C) --- Nicklas Backstrom --- Babe Dye
Alex Delvecchio (A) --- Tommy Dunderdale --- Shane Doan
Ray Whitney --- Ken Mosdell --- Terry O'Reilly
Don Maloney --- Mikko Koivu --- Dmitri Khristich

Ebbie Goodfellow (A) --- Bill White
Lloyd Cook --- Cy Wentworth
Jay Bouwmeester --- Bingo Kampman

Martin Brodeur
Gerry Cheevers

Spares: Art Gagne (RW), Adam Deadmarsh (LW), Leo Reise Sr (D)

PP1: Goodfellow - Cook - Lindsay - Backstrom - Dye
PP2: Bouwmeester - White- Devecchio - Dunderdale - O'Reilly
PK1: Bouwmeester - White - Mosdell - Koivu
PK2: Cook- Wentworth - Delvecchio - Maloney​

 

[Namba 17]

Marystown Mariners

Coach: Art Ross

Alex Ovechkin-Bernie Federko-Glenn Anderson
Kirk Muller-Norm Ullman-Ace Bailey
Ross lonsberry-Ryan Kesler-Mario Tremblay
Ryan smyth-Tumba johansson-petr sykora

Extras: Tony Mckegney, Jozef Stumpel

Bill Gadsby-Ken Reardon
Dan Boyle-Jimmy Watson
Mike Green-Keith Magnuson

extra; Darryl Sydor

Ed Belfour
Pelle Lindbergh

Alex Ovechkin-Bernie Federko-Glenn Anderson 9/10 Ovi - Anderson is great combo, but you'd expect to see definitely better defensive C with them. Also, Federko isn't the C you want to be your 1st line choice.
Kirk Muller-Norm Ullman-Ace Bailey 9/10 Bailey had too short career, Muller is not the player I'd like to see with Ullman, Ullman is an elite 2nd line C, though.
Ross lonsberry-Ryan Kesler-Mario Tremblay 9.5/10 Good role line
Ryan smyth-Tumba johansson-petr sykora 9/10

Bill Gadsby-Ken Reardon 10/10
Dan Boyle-Jimmy Watson 10/10
Mike Green-Keith Magnuson 9.5/10

Ed Belfour/Pelle Lindbergh 9.5/10

 

[Dreakmur]

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Barry Trotz​

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Dean Prentice - Jonathan Toews "C" - Gordie Howe
Anatoli Firsov - Dave Keon "A" - Bernie Morris
Jack Marshall - Jason Spezza - Vladimir Tarasenko
Camille Henry - David Krejci - Bobby Schmautz​

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Wade Redden - Drew Doughty
Kevin Lowe "A" - Brent Burns
Keith Yandle - Jack Portland​

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Johnny Bower
Glenn Resch​

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Spares
Walt Buswell, D
Jaroslav Jirik, LW/RW
Buddy O'Connor, C​

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PP1 - Camille Henry - Bernie Morris - Gordie Howe - Brent Burns - Keith Yandle
PP2 - Anatoli Firsov - Jason Spezza - Vladimir Tarasenko - Drew Doughty - Wade Redden​

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PK1 - Dave Keon - Anatoli Firsov - Kevin Lowe - Jack Portland
PK2 - Jonathan Toews - Gordie Howe - Wade Redden - Drew Doughty​

 

[Dreakmur]

I'll link the bios later

MONTREAL CANADIENS​

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GM: BenchBrawl​

Coach: Scotty Bowman
Captain: Sidney Crosby
Assistant: Dit Clapper
Assistant: Charlie Gardiner
Assistant: Patrice Bergeron


HEAD COACH​

Scotty Bowman​

ROSTER​

Gordon Roberts - Sidney Crosby (C) - Bill Guerin
Brad Marchand - Patrice Bergeron (A) - Phil Kessel
Max Pacioretty - Ivan Hlinka - Mark Stone
Milan Lucic - Craig Conroy - Rejean Houle​

Dit Clapper (A) - Jack Crawford
Gus Mortson - Viktor Kuzkin
Bryan McCabe - Niklas Hjalmarsson​

Charlie Gardiner (A)
Olaf Kolzig

Spares: Saku Koivu, Mark Streit, Alexander Radulov

PP1:
Gordon Roberts - Sidney Crosby - Phil Kessel
Dit Clapper - Bryan McCabe

PP2:
Brad Marchand - Ivan Hlinka - Bill Guerin
Gus Mortson - Viktor Kuzkin

PK1:
Patrice Bergeron - Brad Marchand
Dit Clapper - Jack Crawford
Charlie Gardiner

PK2:
Rejean Houle - Sidney Crosby
Gus Mortson - Niklas Hjalmarsson
Charlie Gardiner
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1st Line:
- For such a well-rounded center, Crosby seems to have trouble finding chemistry with line mates. I think it's because he plays such an up-tempo game that a lot of guys can't seem to keep pace with him. I think you did a really nice job grabbing a couple of wingers who I see fitting in with the pace that Crosby is going to set.
- In terms of pure talent, Crosby is one of the absolute elite centers. I'd really like to see a play-off match-up between him and Jean Beliveau so we would have a really in depth look... because I'm not sure Crosby hasn't passed him.
- Gord Roberts is probably a low-end LW, but a legit one. His speed and straight-line approach will mesh well with Crosby.
- Bill Guerin isn't really a top line player here, but Crosby works best with hard-working grinder types, so I think you had to sacrifice some talent for fit.
- Overall, this line has good balance, and should play a really aggressive game that will give lesser skilled defense pairs a real challenge. In terms of offensive punch, they seem to be about average.

2nd Line:
- A very modern line. Bergeron and Marchand have proven chemistry, and I think Kessel gives them some scoring umph.
- Bergeron is maybe the best defensive center of all time. He, along with Anze Kopitar and Jonathan Toews, they've really re-defined what it means to be an elite first line center. It's not just about scoring the most points anymore.... it probably never was, but now a lot more people are realizing that!
- Kessel is a pretty standard offense-only second liner. He does his job and nothing else. He is good in the play-offs too.
- Marchand has added a lot to his legacy recently. He's a strong even strength scorer with elite agitating abilities. I think he's really over-rated defensively, though.
- Overall, this seems like a decently well-rounded line... not great at anything really, but not bad at anything either.

… I'll add more later.... something came up....

 

[nabby12]

WINNIPEG VICTORIAS
Three-Time Stanley Cup Champs (1896, 1901, 1902)

GM: Nabby12

Captain: Bobby Orr
Assistant: Aurel Joliat
Assistant: Peter Stastny

HEAD COACH - Punch Imlach

ROSTER

Aurele Joliat - Joe Malone - Harry Oliver
Anton Stastny - Peter Stastny - Marian Stastny
Charlie Simmer - Ulf Nilsson - Peter Bondra
Ted Irvine - Dan Bain - Jere Lehtinen
Mark Scheifele - Wally Hergesheimer

Alexander Ragulin - Bobby Orr
"Bullet" Joe Simpson - Ted Harris
Bill Juzda - Bob Chrystal
Kevin McCarthy

Jiri Holecek
Evgeni Nabokov
​

PP1: Joliat/Malone/P. Stastny - Bondra/Orr
PP2: Simmer/Nilsson/Oliver - Simpson/M. Stastny
PK1: Nilsson/Lehtinen - Ragulin/Orr
PK2: P. Stastny/Joliat - Simpson/Chrystal

 

[kruezer]

Alexander Yakushev - Igor Larionov (C) - Sergei Makarov 9/10. Larionov - Makarov were balanced with Krutov. Yakushev is a player of another style. Also, I'd rather tried smd esle as your 1st line C. With all my respect to professor.
Jiri Holik - Vaclav Nedomansky - Nikita Kucherov 8.5/10. It's still to early for Kucherov to be an ATD 2nd liner. Stylistically very interesting line though.
Igor Liba (A) - Vyacheslav Bykov - Jakub Voracek 9/10. When you look at Liba on your 3d line you think "good". Then you look at Bykov and think "great!". When you look at their RW and thnk "WTF? it has to be any finisher here!"
Gustav Jaenecke (A) - Josef Malecek - Vladimir Zabrodsky 7/10. Both Malecek and Zabrodsky were C. Jaenecke has no business to be in the ATD main roster. Malecek and Zabrodsky played the same roles in their teams... seriously, why?

Alexei Kasatonov - Sergei Zubov 8.5/10 Both were RD.
Vitali Davydov - Yuri Lyapkin 9/10 Both were LD. Lyapkin played from time to time RD (and he did played RD when paired with Davydov, but it was seldom and he played LD much more)
Zinetula Bilyaletdinov - Oldrich Machac 8.5/10 Both were RD with very limited puckmoving skills.

Vladislav Tretiak/Vladimir Dzurilla 10/10. I have no idea why Tretiak is so underrated here.

PP it needs to be reconsidered. So far it's not good enough, sorry.
PK it needs to be reconsidered. So far it's not good enough, sorry.​

Thanks for the comments, I will admit a few folks I took specifically because I wanted to! There were better players than Jaenecke and Kuhnhackl available for sure but I wanted a bit of German representation on the team. I almost still took Cerny over Jaenecke. Then I'd already taken Zabrodsky but couldn't help my self in taking Malecek for some 20s/30s Euro hockey representation and his level of dominance was just so absurd.

I rejigged the roster a bit as I respect your comments a lot. Hopefully a bit cleaner. I thought Machac was a decent outlet guy though? No Jan Suchy but he seemed to lead the way on ZKL's D. I still stuck with the top line, not a recreation of the KLM line but I think two puck handling wingers is less of a problem than a puck dominant W & C together, and who needs pick retrieval when you never lose the puck!

 

[overpass]

Dit Clapper (A) - Jack Crawford Both were RD, right? 9/10

Clapper and Crawford were regular partners on the great 1938-39 Boston team that won the Cup and was among the most dominant pre-O6 teams. The other pairing was Eddie Shore with Jack Portland. This season was one of Clappers first team All Star years on defence so I think the Clapper-Crawford pairing works based on their actual history.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Clapper and Crawford were regular partners on the great 1938-39 Boston team that won the Cup and was among the most dominant pre-O6 teams. The other pairing was Eddie Shore with Jack Portland. This season was one of Clappers first team All Star years on defence so I think the Clapper-Crawford pairing works based on their actual history.

Yes, I even saw pictures of them playing together in newspapers.

 

[Namba 17]

Clapper and Crawford were regular partners on the great 1938-39 Boston team that won the Cup and was among the most dominant pre-O6 teams. The other pairing was Eddie Shore with Jack Portland. This season was one of Clappers first team All Star years on defence so I think the Clapper-Crawford pairing works based on their actual history.

Yes, I even saw pictures of them playing together in newspapers.

Thanks! Didn't know that!

 

[tinyzombies]

Coach: Mike Babcock

Graves-Trottier (A)-Neely
Bentley-Bentley-Mosienko
Prospal-Stamkos-Wharram
Pavelich-Poulin (A)-Keane
JParise/GMurray (51 ES VsX)

Vasko-Pilote (C)
Ramsey-Ozolinsh
Hartsburg-Persson
Turnbull

Price
Moran

PP1:
Trottier (23)
Stamkos (34) - Neely (20) - Ozolinsh (25)
Persson(24)​

PP2: D.Bentley,M.Bentley,Wharram(21),Hartsburg(25),Pilote (24)
PK1: Pavelich, Poulin(50), Vasko(53), Pilote(47)
PK2: Keane(35),Graves(27), Ramsey(49), Persson(30)

 

[Namba 17]

I rejigged the roster a bit

ES became more logical (C at RW is still not what I like, but at least I can see why) and Zabrodky - Voracek duo on the 4th line is just great. Your 1 pair is still comparatively weak, but your 2nd pair became one of the best.
One advise - Dvorak can play LD and he moves puck much better, than Bill. Put him with Machac and you'll have great 3d pair.
PP and PK are still not good enough. I'd try smth like this:
PP1:
Nedomansky
Yakushev - Larionov - Makarov
Zubov
Comment. Larionov is too good play-maker to not use him here. Also, Zubov is one of the best QB ever and him having top PP minutes will balance his TOI being on the 2nd pair. Yak in 1st PP is good variant - you'll have two premium scoring threat in Yak and Makarov from left and right.

PP2
Malecek - Zabrodsky - Bykov
Lyapkin - Kasatonov
Comment. I'd still not use Kucherov because of his luck of time on high level, but you may change any of Malecek - Zabrodsky for him if you wish. This PP have two top puckmovers in Lyapkin and Bykov, top two scorers in Malecek and Zabrodsky and Kasatonov had great shot and pass too.

PK1: Bykov - Makarov
Davydov - Mahach
Comment: Bykov was great PKer while Larionov was not Study of the penalty killing of Soviet forwards during the 1960-1990 time frame
Davydov was great PKer and using him on 1st PK will balance Kasatonov TOI

PK2: Holik - Liba
Kasatonov - Zubov
Comment. IIRC, Holik was one of the main CSSR PKer. Someone who familiar with CSSR hockey better may correct me. It may cause some problems with face-offs, but you don't have enough PKing C anyway.

as I respect your comments a lot.

Thanks!

I thought Machac was a decent outlet guy though? No Jan Suchy but he seemed to lead the way on ZKL's D.

Probably, smb who know CSSR league better will correct this, but from what I saw, Machac was one of the toughest Euro stay at home D with great shot. His comparatively high points numbers came from the shot and not from play-making, but I can be incorrect here. Internationally it was Popisil who had puck on his stick constantly (Machac was Pospisil partner on any international tournament).

 

[Namba 17]

Victoria Cougars

Coach: Jack Adams

Ted Lindsay (C) --- Nicklas Backstrom --- Babe Dye
Alex Delvecchio (A) --- Tommy Dunderdale --- Shane Doan
Ray Whitney --- Ken Mosdell --- Terry O'Reilly
Don Maloney --- Mikko Koivu --- Dmitri Khristich

Ebbie Goodfellow (A) --- Bill White
Lloyd Cook --- Cy Wentworth
Jay Bouwmeester --- Bingo Kampman

Martin Brodeur
Gerry Cheevers

Spares: Art Gagne (RW), Adam Deadmarsh (LW), Leo Reise Sr (D)

PP1: Goodfellow - Cook - Lindsay - Backstrom - Dye
PP2: Bouwmeester - White- Devecchio - Dunderdale - O'Reilly
PK1: Bouwmeester - White - Mosdell - Koivu
PK2: Cook- Wentworth - Delvecchio - Maloney​

Ted Lindsay (C) --- Nicklas Backstrom --- Babe Dye 9.5/10. With Dye shot I'd like to see smb better in front of the net and smb quicker than Backstrom as his C. Also, Nick is below average C for the 1st line. But nothing of this is critical. Good line.
Alex Delvecchio (A) --- Tommy Dunderdale --- Shane Doan 8.5/10 Nobody will score, both Dunderdale and Doan are below average 2nd line players.
Ray Whitney --- Ken Mosdell --- Terry O'Reilly 9/10 Whitney is a little lost here - he has noone to pass. I like Mosdell - O'Reilly combo.
Don Maloney --- Mikko Koivu --- Dmitri Khristich 9/10

Ebbie Goodfellow (A) --- Bill White 9.5/10
Lloyd Cook --- Cy Wentworth 9.5/10
Jay Bouwmeester --- Bingo Kampman 8.5/10

Martin Brodeur/Gerry Cheevers 10/10

PP1 9.5/10
PP2 7/10

PK1 9.5/10
PK2 8.5/10​

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

Vincent Damphousse - Henri Richard (C) - Claude Provost 8.5/10. This line has nobody to score.
Simon Gagné - Jean Ratelle - Odie Cleghorn 9/10 The same. It's more passable for the second line, but still not good enough.
Marc Tardif - Vincent Lecavalier (A) - Robert Rousseau 9/10 Who will play defense, corners and slot here?
Frank Glass - André Boudrias - Don Marcotte 9.5/10

Marcel Pronovost - Jean-Claude Tremblay 9.5/10
Marc-Édouard Vlasic - Mike Grant (A) 9.5/10
André Dupont - Dickie Boon 10/10

Jacques Plante/Lorne Chabot 10/10

PP1 8.5/10 No finisher
PP2 7/10

PK1 10/10
PK2 8/10 Why Boon over Grant?​

Thanks for the review! A few comments.

Vincent Damphousse - Henri Richard (C) - Claude Provost 8.5/10. This line has nobody to score.

Richard is a definite threat offensively at this level. His regular VsX highly underrates him as he barely played on the PP. On HO's list, he is 17th in ES VsX for players from 1960-Present, which leaves out his 1957-58 season. With that taken into account, his score is 69.1, bumping him ahead of scorers like Thornton, Yzerman, Sakic, Bossy, Ovechkin, Dionne etc.

The same thing can be applied to Provost as he too barely played on the PP. He is 97th in ES VsX, but again, this is only 1960-Present, leaving out quite a few seasons. With the pre-1960 years taken into account, his score becomes 57.1, putting him in the same territory as scorers like Savard, Stamkos, Gilmour, Turgeon, Sittler, Perreault etc. And he's vastly superior defensively than all those guys. As a bonus, Provost and Richard were linemates, so there is chemistry.

Damphousse is definitely sub-optimal as a scorer both in terms of raw VsX and ES VsX here though.

Due to their ES prowess, this line will be seeing heavy ES usage. They will be trusted to play in all situations whether it is to shut down the opponent, or outscore them.

Simon Gagné - Jean Ratelle - Odie Cleghorn 9/10 The same. It's more passable for the second line, but still not good enough.

By not good enough, what do you mean by that? Overall talent level, offensive prowess, intangibles? I think it's at least decent myself talent wise. Ratelle is in that upper tier of 2nd line Cs, ranked 45th on the top Cs list. Cleghorn, I'd guess is probably somewhere in the 50th-60th range for best RWs. Gagne is sub-optimal, sure.

Marc Tardif - Vincent Lecavalier (A) - Robert Rousseau 9/10 Who will play defense, corners and slot here?

Rousseau was noted as two-way player in his time. Tardif was at least OK defensively. Remember, he started out as a grinder with the Canadiens. Corners and slot, well, that would be Tardif or Lecavalier.

PP1 8.5/10 No finisher

Cleghorn was a noted goal scorer. Ratelle could shoot too, though not as good as a goal scorer as Cleghorn.

PK2 8/10 Why Boon over Grant?

That could work too. My reasons were Dupont is playing with Boon at ES, so they'll be familiar with each other and didn't really want Grant to play over 20 minutes.