ATD 2016: On The Clock Trading.

[jarek]

Yeah let's just do this. I don't think it will be very complicated.


EDIT: Added one vote to option 1 for Bench Brawl

EDIT: jarek and tonyd votes switched to number 1

Poll totals have been changed to reflect the above

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[Nalyd Psycho]

Allow trading on the clock only if accompanied by funny pictures of who gets drafted with the pick.

 

[Elvis P]

You can only trade during the first half of your clock.

 

[tony d]

You can only trade during the first half of your clock.

What he said.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

This is why ordered preference polls are created.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

This is why ordered preference polls are created.

Yep, even though I said I was going to handle this in the trading poll thread, jarek just couldn't help himself being so eager to get things started, and he acted before thinking everything through. Now we're going to likely have to do another poll and it will take longer than had we done it the right way from the beginning. I saw this coming, but decided jarek should learn this lesson the hard way.

Everyone is excited to get the draft started, but it's best to take a little extra time and do things correctly.

 

[jarek]

This is why ordered preference polls are created.

What do you mean?

 

[jarek]

Yep, even though I said I was going to handle this in the trading poll thread, jarek just couldn't help himself being so eager to get things started, and he acted before thinking everything through. Now we're going to likely have to do another poll and it will take longer than had we done it the right way from the beginning. I saw this coming, but decided jarek should learn this lesson the hard way.

Everyone is excited to get the draft started, but it's best to take a little extra time and do things correctly.

What are you talking about?

If option 1 or 2 win, it's done.

If options 1 and 2 are tied, I will change my vote as a tie breaker to option 1.

If options 1, 2 AND 3 are tied, I will again change my vote as a tie breaker to option 1.

If option 3 wins, we would have needed to do another poll anyways.

If everything is tied, then I will again change my vote to option 1 as a tie breaker.

The only result that would end up in a re-poll is option 3 winning.. which is probably not going to happen.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

What are you talking about?

If option 1 or 2 win, it's done.

If options 1 and 2 are tied, I will change my vote as a tie breaker to option 1.

If options 1, 2 AND 3 are tied, I will again change my vote as a tie breaker to option 1.

If option 3 wins, we would have needed to do another poll anyways.

If everything is tied, then I will again change my vote to option 1 as a tie breaker.

The only result that would end up in a re-poll is option 3 winning.. which is probably not going to happen.

If any of the otc trading options win, then the people who voted for no otc trading should get to vote on how otc trading would work. The first basic question is otc vs. no otc trading, once you know that then you can determine if we want additional restrictions. An ordered preference list could've taken care of all of this at once and provide a more accurate answer as to what people really wanted.

 

[jarek]

If any of the otc trading options win, then the people who voted for no otc trading should get to vote on how otc trading would work. The first basic question is otc vs. no otc trading, once you know that then you can determine if we want additional restrictions. An ordered preference list could've taken care of all of this at once and provide a more accurate answer as to what people really wanted.

Well you're free to redo the poll and delete this one if you want.

 

[Iceman]

You can only trade during the first half of your clock.

This is what I believe would the wisest choice as well.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

no trading in the second half of your clock sounds like one of those "compromises" that is worse than either allowing or disallowing it.

 

[ResilientBeast]

This is what I believe would the wisest choice as well.

I like that as well

 

[jarek]

no trading in the second half of your clock sounds like one of those "compromises" that is worse than either allowing or disallowing it.

I agree, but if that's what everyone wants then that's what we'll have to go with I guess.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I vote for allowing trades on the clock, so count that vote here.

 

[Hobnobs]

No trading OTC. This is when we get douchbaggary.

 

[ImporterExporter]

I vote for allowing trades on the clock, so count that vote here.

That makes it 9 for no restrictions. 20 total votes. Unless "do not allow OTC voting" makes a big run, this vote is all but over as well.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

That makes it 9 for no restrictions. 20 total votes. Unless "do not allow OTC voting" makes a big run, this vote is all but over as well.

As per the OP BB's vote has already been added in, 8 is correct

 

[Nalyd Psycho]

no trading in the second half of your clock sounds like one of those "compromises" that is worse than either allowing or disallowing it.

Agreed 100% enough compromises. We tried compromises, they always make things worse.

I agree, but if that's what everyone wants then that's what we'll have to go with I guess.

If it is what everyone wants, then I vote for whatever will stop it from being what everyone wants.

 

[jarek]

Well right now unrestricted trading has almost half the vote, if the ratio remains unchanged (and I am more than happy to change my vote to unrestricted voting) then there should be no need for another poll.

And I agree about compromises.. the pre-draft trading last time was supposed to be a compromise, and I hope that idea burns in the fires of hell for eternity.

 

[Nalyd Psycho]

Well right now unrestricted trading has almost half the vote, if the ratio remains unchanged (and I am more than happy to change my vote to unrestricted voting) then there should be no need for another poll.

And I agree about compromises.. the pre-draft trading last time was supposed to be a compromise, and I hope that idea burns in the fires of hell for eternity.

We have also tried trading limits which ground the gears to a halt if it was your last trade and enraged people when a good trade would have been available, but one party was blocked. And someone might accidentally make a trade they aren't allowed to. Every compromise we have ever made with the issue has been worse than just allowing or not allowing. Compromise means more oversight, we are all volunteers.

 

[jarek]

We have 21 votes here. If I swap my vote to unrestricted trading, that option will have 10/21 total votes. Is that enough to make it a majority without a need for a re-poll?

 

[tony d]

I'll do the same too if need be.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Well here's how I see it...the people who voted for no otc trades should get a say in what the otc rules should be, However, if you take all the votes for no otc trading and you add them to either option 2 or 3 and you still don't have a number higher than the votes for no restrictions then I think it's fair to just declare no restrictions the winner without having another poll.

For example right now there's 5 votes for no otc trading if you assigned all of those votes to option 3 there still wouldn't be more than option 1 now that jarek and tony have switched

 

[jarek]

Well here's how I see it...the people who voted for no otc trades should get a say in what the otc rules should be, However, if you take all the votes for no otc trading and you add them to either option 2 or 3 and you still don't have a number higher than the votes for no restrictions then I think it's fair to just declare no restrictions the winner without having another poll.

For example right now there's 5 votes for no otc trading if you assigned all of those votes to option 3 there still wouldn't be more than option 1 now that jarek and tony have switched

Seems like we have a winner then?

Personally I think we've waited long enough. 21 votes is a solid number.