ATD 2015 Lineup Assassination Thread

TheDevilMadeMe

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Usually these are posted already.

Let's try one thread this time. Everyone post your completed lineup for review.
BillyShoe1721 as of 4/3 said:
Assassinations Received

Dwight: 3
TDMM: 2
monster_bertuzzi: 2
Stoneberg: 2
King Forsberg: 2
BillyShoe1721: 2
Leaf Lander: 2
Velociraptor: 2
BraveCanadian: 2
Evil Sather & Reds4Life: 2
ResilientBeast: 2
Modo: 2
Hawkey Town 18: 2
Sdrawkcab321: 2
markrander87: 2
EagleBelfour: 2
Iceman5: 1.5
Nalyd Psycho: 1
Hawkman: 1
BenchBrawl & papershoes: 1
Cyborg Yzerman: 1
VanIslander: 1
jarek: 1
87and71: 1
tony d: 1
MadArcand: 1
Johnny Engine: 1
nik jr: 1
Rob Scuderi: 1
ted1971: 1
TAnnala/Sturminator: 1
SchultzSquared: 1

Assassinations Given

Johnny Engine: 8
BillyShoe1721: 6
Sturminator: 5
TDMM: 5
monster_bertuzzi: 5
87and71: 4
tony d: 4
Iceman5: 2
BraveCanadian: 2
Dwight: 2
EagleBelfour: 2
King Forsberg: 2
ResilientBeast: 1
jarek: 1
Dreakmur: .5

I'll keep this updated throughout the process so we'll know who deserves assassinations, and who has received enough.
 
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Head Coach = Hap Day
Assistant Coach = Frank Patrick

Aurele Joliat - Cyclone Taylor - Byran Hextall, Sr
Tommy Smith - Eric Lindros - Vic Stasiuk
Johnny Gottselig (A) - Neil Colville - Wilf Paiement
Bob Davidson - Red Sullivan - Rejean Houle


Slava Fetisov (C) - Vladimir Lutchenko
Jim Schoenfeld (A) - Harry Cameron
Wade Redden - Al Arbour

Hugh Lehman
Pekka Lindmark

Spares: Tom Anderson (LW/D), Charlie Sands (C/RW), Clem Loughlin, D

PP1: Smith - Taylor - Hextall - Cameron - Fetisov
PP2: Joliat - Lindros - Gottselig - Colville - Lutchenko

PK1: Sullivan - Gottselig - Schoenfeld - Arbour
PK2: Colville - Davidson - Fetisov - Lutchenko
PK3: Houle - Paiement (Houle can play C)
 

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Head Coach: Glen Sather
Captain: Wayne Gretzky
Assistant: Lionel Conacher
Assistant: Charlie Conacher
Home Rink: Denman Arena (1911)

'Baldy' Northcott - Wayne Gretzky (C) - Charlie Conacher (A)
Sweeney Schriner - Milan Novy - Bill Guerin
Red Berenson - Ralph Backstrom - Jerry Toppazzini
John Madden - Jason Arnott - Alexei Kovalev

Lionel Conacher (A) - Sergei Zubov
Gus Mortson - Eric Desjardins
George McNamara - Keith Magnuson

Terry Sawchuk
Curtis Joseph

Spares: Ron Greschner D, Herb Cain LW, Alexei Zhitnik D, Jeff Carter C/RW

1st unit PP: Zubov - Desjardins - Schriner - Gretzky - C.Conacher
2nd unit PP: L.Conacher - Zubov - Northcott - Novy - Kovalev

1st unit PK: Madden - Toppazzini - L. Conacher - Mortson
2nd unit PK: Berenson - Backstrom - Desjardins - Magnuson
Alternate: Gretzky

Coaching staff Notes:
* Schriner gets looks with Gretzky and Conacher when trailing late in close games
* Eric Desjardins and Lionel Conacher is a shutdown pairing used in last minute/2 minutes​
 

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Coach: Peter Laviolette
Assistant Coach: Larry Robinson


Toe Blake 'A' -- Mark Messier 'C' -- Marian Hossa
Charlie Simmer -- Henrik Sedin -- Pavel Bure
Patrick Sharp -- Vincent Lecavalier -- Claude Lemieux
Mel Bridgman -- Edgar Laprade -- Paul Henderson
_____ _ ______ Michal Handzus -- Victor Shalimov

Paul Coffey 'A' -- Bill White
Alexander Ragulin -- Eduard Ivanov
Willie Mitchell -- Dan Boyle
Joe Watson

Tiny Thompson
Ron Hextall


PP1: Toe Blake - Mark Messier - Pavel Bure
------------ Dan Boyle - Paul Coffey

PP2: Marian Hossa - Henrik Sedin - Vincent Lecavalier
------------ Eduard Ivanov -- Alex Ragulin

PK1: Mel Bridgman - Edgar Laprade
----- Willie Mitchell - Bill White

PK2:Mark Messier - Marian Hossa
----- Alex Ragulin - Eduard Ivanov
 

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Coach: Jacques Demers
Captain: Jean Béliveau
Alternate Captains: Valeri Vasiliev, Guy Carbonneau

Henrik Zetterberg - Jean Béliveau (C) - Babe Dye
Rick Martin - Gilbert Perreault - Rene Robert
Nick Metz - Guy Carbonneau (A) - Jim Pappin
Ray Whitney - Brad Richards - Jean Pronovost

Valeri Vasiliev (A) - Guy Lapointe
Doug Mohns - David Burrows
Hamby Shore - Dollard St. Laurent

Harry Lumley
Mike Richter

Spares: John Ferguson (LW), Niklas Kronwall (D), Keith Crowder (RW), Paul Haynes (C)


PP1: Gilbert Perrault - Jean Béliveau - Babe Dye - Guy Lapointe - Brad Richards
PP2: Rick Martin - Henrik Zetterberg - Ray Whitney - Doug Mohns - Rene Roberts

PK1: Nick Metz - Guy Carbonneau - Valeri Vasiliev - Dave Burrows
PK2: Henrik Zetterberg - Jean Pronovost - Doug Mohns - Guy Lapointe



NOTE: Pronovost, originally a part of the third line with Metz and Carbonneau has been swapped with Pappin to get some better two-way play on the 4th line to slot in Ray Whitney for some offense and PP.
 
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Head Coach: Ken Hitchcock

Joe Malone - Peter Stastny (A) - Ace Bailey
Anatoli Firsov - - Joe Primeau - Claude Provost
Esa Tikkanen - Phil Goyette - Johnny Peirson
Billy Burch - Murray Oliver - Tim Kerr
Tumba Johansson
Marcel Bonin
Konstantin Loktev

Pierre Pilote (A) - Sylvio Mantha (C)
Babe Pratt - Vitaly Davydov
Phil Russell - Yuri Liapkin
Al Shields

Jacques Plante
Rogatien Vachon


Powerplay:
Joe Malone - Tim Kerr - Joe Primeau
Pierre Pilote - Yuri Liapkin

Anatoli Firsov - Peter Stastny - Ace Bailey
Babe Pratt - Sylvio Mantha

Penalty Kill:
Claude Provost - Joe Primeau
Babe Pratt - Sylvio Mantha
Jacques Plante

Esa Tikkanen- Murray Oliver
Pierre Pilote - Vitaly Davydov
Jacques Plante
 

Dwight

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Coach: Alain Vigneault
Assistant Coach: John Muckler
Captain: Scott Niedermayer
Alternates: Chris Pronger, Brendan Shanahan

Brendan Shanahan - Mickey MacKay - Jaromir Jagr
Kevin Stevens - Joe Thornton - Cecil Dillon
Don Marshall - Blair Russel - Tony Amonte
Dennis Hull - Claude Giroux - Eric Nesterenko
Steve Thomas - Craig MacTavish

Chris Pronger - Cy Wentworth
Barry Beck - Scott Niedermayer
Robyn Regehr - Jiri Bubla
Bob Dailey

Jiri Holecek
Tom Paton

PP1
Brendan Shanahan - Mickey MacKay - Jaromir Jagr
Chris Pronger - Scott Niedermayer

PP2
Kevin Stevens - Joe Thornton - Cecil Dillon
Barry Beck - Jiri Bubla

PK1
Don Marshall - Eric Nesterenko
Chris Pronger - Cy Wentworth

PK2
Blair Russel - Cecil Dillon
Barry Beck - Robyn Regehr​
 

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Coach: Roger Neilson
Assistant coach: Bob Hartley

Alexander Ovechkin - Stan Mikita - Alf Smith (C)
Brian Propp - Pat Lafontaine - Daniel Alfredsson (A)
Zach Parise - Don Luce - Dirk Graham (A)
Ryan Smyth - Gregg Sheppard - Pit Martin
Valeri Kamensky, Kent Nilsson

Mark Howe - Brad McCrimmon
Jacques Laperrière - Bill Hajt
Craig Ludwig - PK Subban
Brian Campbell

Charlie Gardiner
Vladimír Dzurilla

PP1: Howe - Alfredsson - Ovechkin - Mikita - Smyth
PP2: Laperrière - Subban - Propp - Lafontaine - Smith

PK1: Laperrière - Hajt - Luce - Graham
PK2: Ludwig - McCrimmon - Sheppard - Parise

 

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Head Coach: Toe Blake
Assistant Coach: Punch Imlach
GM: 87and71
Captain: George Armstrong
Alternate: Rod Langway
Alternate: Frank Foyston


"Toe was the ultimate coach," suggested John Ferguson, one of Blake's prized pupils. "He had a memory like an elephant and he treated the players like men. He had a great feeling for the game and could mastermind behind the bench in a way nobody has ever been able to. Maybe (Scotty) Bowman can nowadays, but Toe, Toe was just too smart."

“There are 20 guys in that dressing room,” replied Worsley, “and it’s seldom you find even two of them alike. He knew each individual – the ones who worked from the needles, the ones who needed another approach.

“Between periods, he never blasted an individual,” said Worsley. “He’d say some guys aren’t pulling their weight. The guys who weren’t knew who he was talking about and you’d see the heads drop. But he’d never embarrass anyone in front of everyone.

“His ability to handle players – I guess that’s what you’d say made him great.”

I don't need to elaborate much on Toe Blake's resume as a coach. 8 Stanley Cups in 13 seasons will make arguments fairly easy. A record 5 in a row to start his career. He was the master to the pupil, Scotty Bowman, who in turn, ended up being a pretty darn good hockey coach himself. He was tough but fair. He knew every single player individually and how to push their buttons. Players loved him. He was innovative, he was fiercely committed to winning. There was no other option for him. He could coach fire wagon, offensive hockey. He could shift teams into a defensive first mode when needed. Basically he was it when it came to coaching in the NHL prior to Bowman peaking many years later.

I drafted Punch Imlach as an assistant very late in the draft. In fact, 34 other coaches had gone and quite frankly i couldn't let him fall further. He was a firebrand personality which is somewhat different than Blake. Blake had his moments of a hot temper or anger, but generally was more even keel. I think Imlach makes for the "bad cop" of the two. He can push people verbally when needed. He had a lot of defensive acumen and 2 of his most beloved players from real life are on this team (Armstrong and Horton). I think his style matches up well with what Blake did throughout their careers. They certainly had more a similar idea towards winning hockey, then different. It's an unorthodox pairing but not one that i feel is out of place. Both were extremely driven coaches with many similar schemes. And Imlach is quite frankly far better than many of the coaches drafted before him. 2 legendary coaches with my roster built the way it is, shouldn't be a bad thing.


Roster:

George Armstrong - RW - 6'3'' 204 lbs (Adjusted for era/birth year 1930 +2/20)
Frank Foyston - LW - 6'1'' 198 lbs (Adjusted for era/birth year 1891 +4/40)
Bobby Holik - C - 6'4'' 230 lbs
Tim Horton - D - 6'0'' 200 lbs (Adjusted for era/birth year 1930 +2/20)
Erik Karlsson - D - 6'0" 180 lbs
Joe Klukay - W - 6'2'' 202 lbs lbs (Adjusted for era/birth year 1923 +2/20)
Rod Langway - D - 6'3'' 218 lbs
Pete Mahovlich - C - 6'6'' 220 lbs (Adjusted for era/birth year 1946 +1/10)
Georges Mantha - LW/D - 5'11'' 195 lbs (Adjusted for era/birth year 1908 +3/30)
Teppo Numminen - D - 6'2'' 198 lbs
Adam Oates - C - 5'11'' 190 lbs
Pete Peeters - G - 6'1'' 195 lbs
Alex Pietrangelo - D - 6'3'' 201 lbs
Didier Pitre - RW - 6'3'' 230 lbs (Adjusted for era/birth year 1893 +4/40)
Ken Randall - RW/D - 6'2'' 220 lbs (Adjusted for era/birth year 1888 +4/40)
Stephane Richer - RW - 6'2'' 215 lbs
Patrick Roy - G - 6'2'' 185 lbs
Ernie Russell - C/RW/Rover - 5'10'' 200 lbs (Adjusted for era/birth year 1883)
Hod Stuart - D - 6'4 1/2'' 235 lbs (Adjusted for era/birth year 1879 +4 1/2/45)
Marc Tardif - LW - 6'1'' 205 (Adjusted for era/birth year 1949 +1/10)
Keith Tkachuk - LW - 6'2'' 235 lbs
Rick Tocchet - RW - 6'0'' 210 lbs
Pierre Turgeon - C - 6'1'' 200 lbs





LW | C | RW Foyston | Oates | Pitre Tkachuk | Turgeon | E. Russell Klukay | Mahovlich | Armstrong Mantha | B. Holik | Tocchet

Considering i didn't draft a F until round 5, i'm pretty happy with how this part of the roster turned out. Is it going to stack up offensively vs many others? Probably not. But i think it has more then enough talent to score and win tight, low scoring games, which with the defensive prowess of many of my F, D, and elite goalie, many teams will struggle to put up much offense. Get the puck in deep, any shot is a good one and take advantage of our size and physical nature to score dirty/simple goals. Flash and style is not important to me. I wanted a big, physically imposing team and feel it fits that model to a T.

The first line has a nice blend of size, passing, goal scoring, physicality etc. Foyston is the all around force on the unit. He was best in the high traffic areas as a goal scorer and had solid assist numbers in a time where they were not tracked at all or not very well. His playoff resume is arguably the best of his era. Oates brings elite vision and play making skill, as well as solid defensive awareness for the unit. He's the QB of this group. Another guy who has a pretty damn good playoff resume, even with no Cup wins. Pitre, IMO, was a VERY underrated player. I found a lot of good information and feel he should easily be a top 200 player moving forward. He had elite speed/skating ability as well as the games most powerful and intimidating shot (think Bobby Hull or Al MacInnis) of his era. He was a huge player (adjusted 6'3'' 230 lbs) for his day. He was also a lot tougher than his previous (small) bio's suggested. His speed gives the line an element that should keep D's honest. He also played substantial time on D in his career and that bodes well for his ability to be competent in his own end of the rink.

The 2nd line features again a blend of size and skill like the 1st. Tkachuk is a low end 1st line LW or a higher end 2nd line player by my estimation and had a regular season career on par with Brendan Shanahan. He has very good goal scoring ability as well as elite physical traits. He will also serve as the muscle for a softer Turgeon, if teams want to get rough with the latter. Speaking of Turgeon, he's another very underrated offensive player. He's easily a 2nd line scoring C based on his 7 and 10 year VsX averages. He has a few warts like being soft, and some attitude issues but given the physical wingers on either side and the great leadership this team has, i don't see either problem being a distraction. Great coaching will also aid in that regard. Ernie Russell is my RW and was probably my favorite player to study. I really hope people read his bio as i feel he's GREATLY underrated as his goal scoring ability was on par with Russell Bowie when their careers overlapped 3 years in the same league. He was a rough player as well. Was a retro league MVP and his best trait was having one of the all time great Stanley Cup scoring numbers available. With his sterling postseason numbers and Turgeon's underrated numbers, they more than make up for Tkachuk's underwhelming performances.

The 3rd line has great defensive talent, and a lot of physical power. Joe Klukay is widely regarded as one of the greatest defensive F's ever as well as penalty killer's. 4 retro Selkes, he also offers tremendous flexibility as he can play either wing at a high level and C in an emergency. He will serve as the primary shadow/checker for the elite W's in the ATD. Pete Mahovlich is another player i enjoyed scouting. He was a very good if not elite on the PK early in his career. Was voted tied for 1st in the NHL in 1974 in that role. He was used their extensively during the 72 Summit Series for team Canada and scored one of the most memorable goals against Tretiak on the PK. He was a huge body 6'6'' 220-230 lbs who played with a lot of physicality. When he was given 1st line opportunities in the mid 70's he blossomed into a full fledged offensive star. Another bio i urge people to read also shows he was good if not great as a face off man. Given the big bodied C's in my division he will be a great equalizer and asked to make life tough for guys like Lemieux, Esposito, Lindros etc. George Armstrong is the epitome of a great leader and hockey player. He is widely regarded as one of the better Captains in history and was an all out player who could check, dig in the corners, penalty kill and make life tough on opposing players. He won a retro Selke and like Klukay and Mahovlich played on and was a key factor on multiple SC winners. His purpose is to use his big body and relentless checking to make life hard on opposing D in the offensive zone and cover up the better W's on the teams we face.

The 4th line is just plain nasty. It's going to be a high energy line with above average offensive scoring (Holik and Tocchet as 4's) as well as solid defensive instincts. He was referred to being as fast and sometimes faster than the great Howie Morenz (bio). Mantha was a versatile player who spent most of his career as a checking W of the Habs through the late 20's and 30's. He was often matched up against the other teams best player and is on record having completely shut down the likes of Charlie Conacher. He did have solid offensive outputs in the late 30's when he played with Howie Morenz. Bobby Holik is a very good all around 4th liner. He had solid scoring numbers in the dead puck era and garnered Selke attention multiple times. He was an extremely physical player who can make life miserable for other top line players, which is a theme for this team. Lastly, Rick Tocchet is about as perfect a 4th liner as you can get if looking at it in a traditional sense. He's extremely high energy, a brute as a fore checker and enforcer type when needed. His scoring is above average as a 4 and will chip in his fair share along the way. This line's goal is to get pucks into the offensive zone and keep it there as long as possible. Play dirty (within reason) and make life miserable for the other team.





D | D H. Stuart | Horton Langway | Numminen Karlsson | Randall

My first 3 picks after taking Roy were on Dmen. I had definitely planned to use at least 2 on blue liners but given how the draft fell I really couldn't go any other way based on my desire to have a very strong blue line and netminder. Horton is about mid pack in terms of #1's in a 32 team draft but he fits my model to a T. Tremendously physical player who was a rock in his own end. Extremely durable and log heavy minutes. Great leadership qualities as well. There are not many right handed shots among #1's and it's a little bit of a bonus. Hod Stuart is a higher end #2 so this should give me one of the better 1st pairings. Stuart for a few years was widely considered the best hockey player in the world (READ BIO PLEASE), not just among defencemen, but all players. He was equally dominant in his own end as he was attacking. Sadly he died at 28 in a freak diving accident and thus cut short a career that could have had him ranked considerably higher had he played another 5+ years. This will be one of the most physically dominating pairs as well. Hod, when you adjust for era would be about 6'4'' and 235 lbs and he was once banned from his league for being "too rough" before being reinstated. Having a physical team is paramount to my strategy and he fits the mold (like Horton). I'm very happy with how this pair matches up. Stuart is more of an elite 2 way Dman who can carry the offensive burden and puck movement while Horton is the rock solid player in his own end.


Rod Langway would be a very low end #1 in a 32 team draft or an elite #2. Here he's my NUMBER 3. Langway is another big, physical presence who is a force in his own end. He won 2 Norris' in the most dominant offensive era as a stay at home D. He was a Captain for 11 years and instantly helped transform a terrible Caps team into a perennial playoff team. Teppo Numminen is your run of the mill #4. Nothing spectacular but just steady play in both ends. He ran power plays, killed penalties and could move the puck at ES. This should be another above average pairing IMO that compliments each other well.

The third pairing is a bit weaker than i'd like, but it's important to note that the high end 1st and 2nd pairs will do the heavy lifting on this team. I know some disagree, but i feel i've proven that Karlsson, when compared to other bottom pairing ATD'ers is more than legit based on his accolades. Some bottom pairing D here were never top 10 in Norris, AS voting, or scoring and yet are accepted because they had 800 games as a run of the mill player vs 3-4 of high end play. But i digress. Karlsson is an elite offensive D, especially at ES and he will be used sparingly at ES and on the 2nd PP due to his skill set. Next to him will be Ken Randall, who played about two thirds of his career at D and was a punishing player to say the least. You want somebody who adds a physical element and good defensive play next to Karlsson and if you read his bio, Randall fits that bill. Both IMO are more #6's, so the pair is probably below average but it will be asked to do less than most.

Pietrangelo is another guy who will catch flak for his age and 370+ games and i'll shrug my shoulders. I'd rather have a guy who's had 2 higher end ATD seasons (2nd team AS selections, top 5 Norris', #1 minutes, huge PK and shot blocking numbers) and a 3rd that is ATD worthy than the same old tired players who were never considered elite, or even near elite.


G Roy Peeters

The strategy here was to build from the net out. Patrick Roy is universally thought of as the best and occasionally 2nd best goalie of all time (misinformed souls). His playoff resume is unparalleled in the sport and is the main reason i traded up to get him in the middle of round 1. Players like Grant Fuhr, Tom Barrasso and Hugh Lehman were good goal tenders in their day, but the gap between them (and other similar names) and Roy in an all time sense is massive. Roy proved multiple times on inferior Montreal teams (relative to other teams in the league at that time) in the 80's and 90's that he was capable of putting a team on his back and winning Cups. 3 Conn Smythe's is a record he shares with no one. And these studies of adjusted save percentages of regular season and playoff numbers only further my claim that Roy has no equal (yes, even Hasek can sit down at #2).


Save percentage is, in my opinion, the best statistic to evaluate a goalie with. Every goaltending statistic (save percentage, wins, GAA, shutouts, etc) is influenced by the goalie’s team, however save percentage is less team-dependent than the others. I think this is intuitively obvious to anyone who studies goaltending, but I’ll explain if anybody’s curious.

The problem with save percentage is that it’s highly era-dependent. The purpose of this study is to adjust save percentage so that it’s comparable across seasons. I have data for 1983-2009.

Career Adjusted Save Percentage (min 400 games)

Goalie|Save Percentage
Dominik Hasek | 92.5%
Patrick Roy | 92.0%
Roberto Luongo | 91.7%
Martin Brodeur | 91.3%
Tomas Vokoun | 91.3%
John Vanbiesbrouck | 91.3%
Guy Hebert | 91.2%
Jean-Sebastien Giguere | 91.2%
Ed Belfour | 91.2%
Andy Moog | 91.1%
Kelly Hrudey | 91.1%

Patrick Roy is incredibly underrated from a save percentage perspective. His peak occurred in the high-scoring late eighties and early nineties. He towered over his peers with almost Hasek-like dominance, but his raw numbers aren’t impressive because his played during an era that was very unfriendly to goalies. I often see people argue that Brodeur is better than Roy due to a higher save percentage. That would like comparing stats from an eighties player to a modern player, and concluding that the former was better. Adjusted for era, Roy was a significantly better regular season goalie than every goalie aside from Hasek in the past three decades.


Best Peak

Goalie|Save percentage
Dominik Hasek | 93.3%
Patrick Roy | 93.1%
John Vanbiesbrouck | 92.4%
Curtis Joseph | 92.2%
Ed Belfour | 92.2%
Tom Barrasso | 92.1%
Martin Brodeur | 92.1%
Roberto Luongo | 92.1%
Kelly Hrudey | 91.9%
Tomas Vokoun | 91.8%
Andy Moog | 91.8%
Sean Burke | 91.8%
Ron Hextall | 91.8%
Guy Hebert | 91.7%
Jean-Sebastien Giguere | 91.7%
Dwayne Roloson | 91.5%
Nikolai Khabibulin | 91.5%

A few observations:

- Remember what I said earlier about Roy being underrated? He was so far ahead of all the other goalies in the league (in the late eighties and early nineties) that it’s almost Hasek-like. I think the Hasek/Roy debate is a lot subtler than most people realize. Adjusted for era, Roy separated himself from the pack almost as much as Hasek; despite winning only two Stanley Cups, Hasek was almost always an outstanding playoff goalie.

- This is the weighted average of each goalie’s best five seasons in terms of save percentage. They don’t have to be consecutive. I am only including seasons when the goalie played in at least 40 adjusted games.



I've put together a chart comparing the playoff save percentage of every Stanley Cup Finalist of the official save percentage era (1984-2014) to the average regular season shooting percentage of their four respective playoff opponents.

Example: In 2002, Dominik Hasek and the Detroit Red Wings played the Vancouver Canucks, St. Louis Blues, Colorado Avalanche, and Carolina Hurricanes. Their respective shooting percentages were 10.9%, 9.5%, 9.4%, and 9.2%, for an average of 9.75%, meaning that the expected save percentage was .9025 or .903. Dominik Hasek had a .920, so he exceeded expectations by .017.

Looking strictly at a raw difference undoubtedly has its flaws, as it's not adjusted to the exact amount of games played against each team. And the higher the expectation, the harder it is to exceed those expectations by the same raw amount. And conversely, if one were to play against the Edmonton Oilers or Pittsburgh Penguins in their heyday (Lindbergh, Smith, Vanbiesbrouck, Vernon, etc.), very little was expected at all.

More than that, some of the goalies on the list didn't play 100% of their teams' games - for instance, Grant Fuhr was absent for much of the 1984 Finals against a team shooting at 14.7%.


Top Performances - Stanley Cup Winners
1. Patrick Roy, 1993 (+.057)
2. Patrick Roy, 1986 (+.049)

3. Grant Fuhr, 1984 (+.044)
4. Martin Brodeur, 1995 (+.039)
4. Patrick Roy, 2001 (+.039)
6. Patrick Roy, 1996 (+.037)

7. Bill Ranford, 1990 (+.036)
8. Jonathan Quick, 2012 (+.035)
9. Tim Thomas, 2011 (+.033)
10. Martin Brodeur, 2000 (+.032)

Top Performances - Stanley Cup Losers
1. Pelle Lindbergh, 1985 (+.053)
2. John Vanbiesbrouck, 1996 (+.049)
3. Patrick Roy, 1989 (+.043)
3. Jean-Sebastien Giguere, 2003 (+.043)
3. Tuukka Rask, 2013 (+.043)
6. Dominik Hasek, 1999 (+.041)
7. Billy Smith, 1984 (+.040)
8. Ron Hextall, 1987 (+.038)
8. Kirk McLean, 1994 (+.038)
10. Olaf Kolzig, 1998 (+.035)
10. Arturs Irbe, 2002 (+.035)

A lot of the usual suspects, but we get some surprises in the form of Martin Brodeur (2000) and Tuukka Rask (2013), two runs we've seen get overlooked when compared to other performances from nearby years.


Player | +/- | SPCT | EXPCT Patrick Roy, 1993 | .057 | .929 | .872
Pelle Lindbergh, 1985 | .053 | .914 | .861
John Vanbiesbrouck, 1996 | .049 | .932 | .883
Patrick Roy, 1986 | .049 | .923 | .874
Grant Fuhr, 1984 | .044 | .910 | .866
Jean-Sebastien Giguere, 2003 | .043 | .946 | .903
Patrick Roy, 1989 | .043 | .920 | .877
Tuukka Rask, 2013 | .043 | .940 | .897
Dominik Hasek, 1999 | .041 | .939 | .898
Billy Smith, 1984 | .040 | .905 | .865
Martin Brodeur, 1995 | .039 | .927 | .888
Patrick Roy, 2001 | .039 | .934 | .895
Kirk McLean, 1994 | .038 | .928 | .890
Ron Hextall, 1987 | .038 | .908 | .870
Patrick Roy , 1996 | .037 | .921 | .884
Bill Ranford, 1990 | .036 | .912 | .876
Arturs Irbe, 2002 | .035 | .938 | .903
Jonathan Quick, 2012 | .035 | .946 | .911
Olaf Kolzig, 1998 | .035 | .941 | .906
Dwayne Roloson, 2006 | .033 | .927 | .894
Tim Thomas, 2011 | .033 | .940 | .907








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I'm very happy with how this unit fits stylistically and quite frankly the 1-3-1 should work to a T with this group.

Up front you have a big body (6'2'' 235 lbs) in Tkachuk who is extremely physical and can do a great job of screening the opposing netminder and re directing shots that get through as well as collecting rebounds. His profile has him as an above average net presence in the ATD on the PP.

You have one of the all time great play making pivots in Oates who has damn good PP numbers and ratios. He'll be a great facilitator from the right half wall or transition to the point on occasion to mix things up.

Forwards on the power play
Rk | Player | GP | PP% | TmPP+ | $PPP/S
1 | Mario Lemieux | 915 | 94% | 1.06 | 58
2 | Ilya Kovalchuk | 545 | 86% | 0.91 | 36
3 | Phil Esposito | 1047 | 82% | 1.36 | 51
4 | Wayne Gretzky | 1487 | 82% | 1.10 | 46
5 | Paul Kariya | 914 | 81% | 0.90 | 38
6 | Kent Nilsson | 553 | 81% | 1.06 | 39
7 | Joe Sakic | 1378 | 79% | 1.05 | 39
8 | Guy Chouinard | 578 | 79% | 1.08 | 32
9 | Marcel Dionne | 1348 | 77% | 1.03 | 40
10 | Rene Robert | 744 | 76% | 1.05 | 33
11 | Mike Bossy | 752 | 75% | 1.27 | 41
12 | Brad Richards | 620 | 75% | 0.96 | 29
13 | Dany Heatley | 507 | 75% | 0.95 | 35
14 | John Bucyk | 785 | 74% | 1.46 | 41
15 | Teemu Selanne | 1132 | 74% | 1.07 | 38
16 | Ron Francis | 1731 | 73% | 1.00 | 35
17 | Pavel Bure | 702 | 73% | 0.91 | 30
18 | Adam Oates | 1337 | 72% | 1.08 | 32
19 | Pat Lafontaine | 865 | 72% | 1.05 | 35
20 | Dale Hawerchuk | 1188 | 71% | 1.01 | 36
21 | Stan Mikita | 845 | 71% | 1.04 | 33
22 | Peter Forsberg | 706 | 71% | 1.15 | 41
23 | Brett Hull | 1269 | 71% | 1.10 | 35
24 | Bernie Federko | 1000 | 71% | 0.91 | 32
25 | Alexei Zhamnov | 807 | 71% | 0.94 | 30
26 | Rick Martin | 685 | 70% | 1.10 | 31
27 | Peter Stastny | 977 | 70% | 0.98 | 34
28 | Zigmund Palffy | 684 | 70% | 1.01 | 35
29 | Frank Mahovlich | 511 | 70% | 1.15 | 31
30 | Gilbert Perreault | 1191 | 70% | 1.05 | 33


Foyston will work in front of the point man in the slot, between the circles. His presence will shrink the standard box and keep active F's up top from cheating high. He was an apt goal scorer and passer so he provides a nice asset from the middle. He can transition outside to the left half wall if Pitre needs to slide up into point position (standard 2-2-1) or go right while Oates slides up top.

Pitre was the Bobby Hull or Al MacInnis of his day in terms of shot power and intimidation. He will be used much like Alex Ovechkin is for Washington on his off wing ready to strike with 1 timers. His presence should force teams to cheat a little bit and when he does let loose, it should make for some goals and/or rebounds and redirects from Tkachuk and Foyston.

Hod Stuart will man the point up top. He was an elite offensive Dman in his day both as a goal scorer and passer. What i like is his elite skating and mobility. You want somebody with good offensive instincts and mobility if leaving them on an island and Hod had that. He and Pitre were elite skaters and that bodes well in terms of recovery. Pitre also had extensive time on D over his career and I feel very comfortable with both of them out there in terms of recovering in the off chance of play going the other way. There is quality defensive conscience here with Stuart, Pitre, and Oates. The key here is getting pucks on net and generating chances from in close.


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Guelph Platers
1986 Memorial Cup Champions

Home Rink: Guelph Memorial Gardens (1948)
GM: BraveCanadian

Coaches: Scotty Bowman
Captain: Scott Stevens
Alternates: Martin St. Louis, Anze Kopitar

John LeClair - Howie Morenz - Martin St. Louis
Gaye Stewart - Jacques Lemaire - Bobby Rousseau
Alex Tanguay - Anze Kopitar - Milan Hejduk
Miroslav Satan - Fred Stanfield - Bobby Gould

Scott Stevens - Alexei Kasatonov
Stefan Persson - Bob Baun
Steve Smith - Brian Rafalski

Bill Durnan
Andy Moog


Reserves
Brian Skrudland, Jan Erixon, Roman Hamrlik, Bob Probert

Powerplay:
PP1: John LeClair - Howie Morenz - Martin St. Louis - Fred Stanfield - Brian Rafalski
PP2: Gaye Stewart - Anze Kopitar - Bobby Rousseau - Stefan Persson - Alexei Kasatonov


Penalty Kill:
PK1: Bobby Rousseau - Anze Kopitar / Bobby Gould
- Scott Stevens - Alexei Kasatonov
PK2: Martin St. Louis - Howie Morenz - Steve Smith - Bob Baun



Estimated Minutes:

Forward| ES | PP | PK | total
Howie Morenz|14|4|3|21|
Martin St. Louis|14|4|3|21|
John LeClair|14|4|0|18|
Jacques Lemaire|14|0|0|14|
Bobby Rousseau|14|3|2|19|
Gaye Stewart|14|3|0|17|
Anze Kopitar|13|3|2|18|
Milan Hejduk|13|0|0|13|
Alex Tanguay|13|0|0|13|
Fred Stanfield|5|4|0|9|
Miroslav Satan|5|0|0|5|
Bobby Gould|5|0|4|9|
Total | 138 | 25 | 14 |177

Defense|ES|PP|PK|Total
Scott Stevens|20|0|4|24|
Alexei Kasatonov|15|3|4|22|
Bob Baun|16|0|3|19|
Brian Rafalski|14|4|0|18|
Steve Smith|14|0|3|17|
Stefan Persson|13|3|0|16|
Totals|92|10|14|116
 

ResilientBeast

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Coaching Staff : Cecil Hart and Father David Bauer
Captain :
Alternates :

Vyacheslav Starshinov --- Peter Forsberg --- Bernie Geoffrion
Wayne Cashman --- Vladimir Petrov --- Bernie Morris
Pavol Demitra --- Craig Conroy --- Ed Litzenberger
Dave Trottier --- Steve Kasper --- Mike Foligno

Ex. Billy Boucher(RW), Alexei Yashin (C)

Moose Johnson --- Bobby Orr
Dallas Smith --- "Bullet Joe" Simpson
Don Awrey --- Ted Green

Ex. Doug Young (D)

Georges Vezina
Seth Martin

PP1
Vyacheslav Starshinov --- Peter Forsberg --- Bernie Morris
Bobby Orr --- Bernie Geoffrion

PP2
Pavol Demitra --- Vladimir Petrov --- Ed Litzenberger
Ted Green/Bobby Orr --- "Bullet Joe" Simpson

PK1
Steve Kasper --- Dave Trottier
Moose Johnson --- Bobby Orr

PK2
Craig Conroy --- Peter Forsberg/Vladimir Petrov
Don Awrey --- Dallas Smith




Estimated Minutes:

Forward| ES | PP | PK | total
Peter Forsberg|15|4|1.5|20.5|
Bernie Geoffrion|15|4|0|19|
Vyacheslav Starshinov|15|4|0|19|
Bernie Morris|14|4|0|18|
Vladimir Petrov|14|3|1.5|18.5|
Wayne Cashman |14|0|0|14|
Ed Litzenberger |10|3|0|13|
Pavol Demitra |10|3|0|13|
Craig Conroy |10|0|3|13|
Dave Kasper |7|0|4|11|
Dave Trottier |7|0|4|11|
Mike Foligno |7|0|0|7|
Total | 138 | 25 | 14 |177

Defense|ES|PP|PK|Total
Bobby Orr|18|5|4|27|
Moose Johnson|20|0|4|24|
"Bullet Joe" Simpson |15|3|0|18|
Dallas Smith |14|0|3|17|
Ted Green|13|2|0|15|
Don Awrey |12|0|3|15|
Totals|92|10|14|116
 

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GMs - Hawkman & Hedberg
Coach: Al Arbour
Captain: Denis Potvin
Alternates: Doug Wilson, Brian Sutter

Luc Robitaille - Marcel Dionne - Teemu Selanne
Brian Sutter - Dale Hawerchuk - Alexander Mogilny
John Tonelli - Doug Jarvis - Brian Bellows
Mats Naslund - Eric Staal - Bill Fairbairn

Denis Potvin - Doug Wilson
Gary Suter - Craig Hartsburg
Mathieu Schneider - Brent Seabrook

Billy Smith
Mike Vernon

SPARES - Fs Doug Risebrough, Garry Unger, Andre LaCroix, D Pekka Rautakallio

Powerplay:
PP1: Luc Robitaille - Marcel Dionne - Teemu Selanne - Potvin - Wilson
PP2: Eric Staal- Dale Hawerchuk - Alexander Mogilny - Suter - Schneider

Penalty Kill:
PK1: Doug Jarvis - Brian Bellows - Potvin - Wilson
PK2: John Tonelli - Bill Fairbairn - Hartsburg - Seabrook
 

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Spares: Tom Anderson (LW/D), Charlie Sands (C/RW), Clem Loughlin, D

PP1: Smith - Taylor - Hextall - Cameron - Fetisov
PP2: Joliat - Lindros - Gottselig - Colville - Lutchenko

PK1: Sullivan - Gottselig - Schoenfeld - Arbour
PK2: Colville - Davidson - Fetisov - Lutchenko
PK3: Houle - Paiement (Houle can play C)

Every single ATD I've been in it's striking how many more assasinations TDMM does than anyone else. I'm going to give you, a none Divisional rival, an assasination because you deserve it. The defending Champs, built by one of the best GM's in our community.

Coaching and Leadership:

I think Day is a terrific head coach. He doesn't have that hardass personality that can rub a lot of players wrong, and he is probably a decent tactician. I didn't draft an assistant coach this year, I'm not sure they make an impact one way or another but I don't see Patrick hurting. Fetisov won't strike anyone as a great leader im sure. You must really not be the biggest Lindros fan, I think he deserves to wear an A!

Forwards:

Line one is one of the real marquee lines in the entire league. Everyone from this area of the world is awakened to what a great player Cyclone Taylor was - and you seem to have insulated him really well. Taylor is one of the elite point producers in the league. I find Joliat to be overrated slightly for some reason. Still a top 90 player - has the wheels and offensive gifts and IQ to obviously keep up and pop in plenty of points himself. Hextall is a star himself, not a line I would like to try and come up with a scheme to contain.

Not a fan of the wingers on your second trio. Lindros is good enough to be a pivot on a 1st line, he's that good. I'm not convinced you have given him talent to work with. Does everyone know enough about Tommy Smith to be convinced that he'll keep up the pace all season and into the tournament? Stasiuk is a grinder for me, would have rather seen him lower on the depth chart.

Third line is a sensible unit, one of the better two-way lines. Colville is a really useful player to employ being equally effective on D or down the middle most likely. The wings have a tendancy to put pucks in the net.

Not a whole lot of grit on the banger line, although Davidson has some stiffness I guess. They shouldn't see much time at 5 on 5, but they can all carry their weight on the PK, which is a good thing.

Defense:

A classic pairing, with Fetisov being a near-elite #1. I think I already raised the Lutchenko issue right after you drafted him, I think he's in over his head on a 1st pair. Chemistry with Fetisov helps so I think it's probably a better than average top pair none the less.

Very strong second pair, and just a top-notch top four in total. I have really learned a lot about Cameron, he is certainly a skilled and gifted puck mover probably getting 45-50 points every ATD season. Schoenfeld is a better than average #4 - I'm a big believer in a top four with two balanced pairs that handle the load at ES.

Bottom pair doesn't strike me as ''wow great depth'', but they can go out and play 12 minutes of stop-gap hockey. Redden was really good in the old late 90's/early 2000's Ottawa days, I can buy him as a puck-mover with decent enough coverage in small spurts during the game.

Goaltending:

Lehman is another legend in Vancouver. Without question one of the best PCHA goalies ever, but in the ATD....meh, probably would have to be ranked under the 14-18 group in my eyes.

Special teams:

That first unit powerplay has potential to be lethal, with Taylor-Fetisov-Cameron all being strong in the open ice. Second unit is ridiculously loaded - curious why Joliat or Lindros aren't worthy of top unit? You've currently constructed two pretty balanced units, opposite of the usual stack up the 1st unit and give them 1:30 of time plan. PK looks like it will take it's lumps at times without a lot of elite forwards.

Always interesting to watch you do your thing and construct your teams. I don't recall you finishing any lower than like the semi-finals the past four years. Is Lindros's presence enough to help support the top line, which is spectacular? Third line has potential to bang in more goals than most. Your top 4 on D is terrific, and will dictate pace against plenty of teams. Lehman is potentially a weakness against certain clubs as he's lower than average.
 

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Coach: Fred Shero
Captain: Bobby Clarke
Alternates: Rod Brind'amour, Sprague Cleghorn

Cy Denneny - Bobby Clarke (C) - Joe Mullen
Patrick Marleau - Rod Brind'amour (A) - Vladimir Martinec
Bob Pulford - Marty Walsh - Harry Oliver
Albert Kerr - Nicklas Backstrom - John McKenzie
Mike Ridley, Joe Pavelski

Sprague Cleghorn (A) - Ott Heller
Duncan Keith - Leo Reise, Jr.
Frantisek Tikal - Sandis Ozolinsh
Doug Barkley, Dave Babych

Frank Brimsek
Glenn Resch

PP1: Denneny - Clarke - Martinec - Cleghorn - Ozolinsh
PP2: Marleau - Backstrom - Walsh** - Keith - Ozolinsh*

*likely split some time with Heller, Ozolinsh will likely play 1:30-1:45 of each PP. sometimes full 2 minutes
**normally plays C, but on the PP he will be asked to drive to the front of the net, cause havoc there and score on rebounds

PK1: Pulford - Clarke - Cleghorn - Heller
PK2: Walsh - Brind'amour - Keith - Reise Jr.

PP subs: Brind'amour, Oliver, Pavelski, McKenzie, Heller
PK subs: Marleau, Pavelski, McKenzie, Tikal​

Fire away people!
 

BillyShoe1721

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Assassinations Received

TDMM: 1
monster_bertuzzi: 2
jarek: 1
Stoneberg: 1
King Forsberg: 1
87and71: 1
Iceman5: 1
BillyShoe1721: 1
tony d: 1
Leaf Lander: 1
markrander87: 1
MadArcand: 1
Velociraptor: 1
BraveCanadian: 1
Evil Sather: 1

Assassinations Given

monster_bertuzzi: 2
87and71: 3
Iceman5: 1
Sturminator: 2
TDMM: 2
BillyShoe1721: 1
Johnny Engine: 4
BraveCanadian: 1

I'll keep this updated throughout the process so we'll know who deserves assassinations, and who has received enough.
 
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New poll series coming from me on June 3
Jun 23, 2007
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Quebec Nordiques

Head Coach: Lester Patrick

Captains:Alex Delvecchio
Alternates: Fern Flaman, Brad Park



Bill Barber-Alex Delvecchio-Guy Lafleur
Dick Duff-Denis Savard-Bill Mosienko
Kirk Muller-Joel Otto-Flloyd Curry
Hec Kilrea-Bobby Smith-Paul Maclean




Brad Park- Fern Flaman
Jim Neilson-Jean Guy Talbot
Rob Ramage-Bob Armstrong

Clint Benedict
Lorne Chabot

Special Teams:

PP 1: Barber-Savard-Lafluer-Park-Delvecchio
Muller-Smith-Mosienko-Ramage-Talbot

PK 1:

Otto-Curry
Flaman-Neilson

PK 2:

Muller-Delvecchio
Talbot-Park

Extras: Ian Turnbull, Bobby Schmautz, dennis Maruk, Kenny Jonsson
 
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Las Vegas Raiders


GM - Modo

Head Coach - Pete Green
Assistant Coach - Don Cherry

Team Captain - Doug Gilmour
Assistant Captain - Lanny McDonald
Assistant Captain - Eddie Shore

Reg Noble - Doug Gilmour (C) - Lanny McDonald (A)
Dave Andreychuk - Duke Keats - Rick Middleton
Brenden Morrow - Frank McGee - Pat Verbeek
Ray Getliffe - Derek Sanderson - Bill Goldsworthy
x - Ken Linseman

"Babe" Siebert - Eddie Shore (A)
Ulf Samuelsson - Red Horner
Barclay Plager - Nikolai Sologubov
x - Oldrich Machac, Lubomir Visnovsky

Glenn Hall
Chris Osgood

PP1: Gilmour - Andreychuk - Keats - Siebert - Shore
PP2: McGee - Middleton - McDonald - Horner - Sologubov

PK1: Morrow - Sanderson - Samuelsson - Horner
PK2: Getliffe - Gilmour - Shore - Plager

 

ImporterExporter

"You're a boring old man"
Jun 18, 2013
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Head Coach: Glen Sather
Captain: Wayne Gretzky
Assistant: Lionel Conacher
Assistant: Charlie Conacher
Home Rink: Denman Arena (1911)

'Baldy' Northcott - Wayne Gretzky (C) - Charlie Conacher (A)
Sweeney Schriner - Milan Novy - Bill Guerin
Red Berenson - Ralph Backstrom - Jerry Toppazzini
John Madden - Jason Arnott - Alexei Kovalev

Lionel Conacher (A) - Sergei Zubov
Gus Mortson - Eric Desjardins
George McNamara - Keith Magnuson

Terry Sawchuk
Curtis Joseph

Spares: Ron Greschner D, Herb Cain LW, Alexei Zhitnik D, Jeff Carter C/RW

1st unit PP: Zubov - Desjardins - Schriner - Gretzky - C.Conacher
2nd unit PP: L.Conacher - Zubov - Northcott - Novy - Kovalev

1st unit PK: Madden - Toppazzini - L. Conacher - Mortson
2nd unit PK: Berenson - Backstrom - Desjardins - Magnuson
Alternate: Gretzky

Coaching staff Notes:
* Schriner gets looks with Gretzky and Conacher when trailing late in close games
* Eric Desjardins and Lionel Conacher is a shutdown pairing used in last minute/2 minutes​



Coaching:

Glen Sather would seem to be a pretty good fit here. Obviously the connection to Gretzky is there but i think there are others that fit his style very well like Conacher, Novy, Kovalev, Zubov, Dejardins most notably. He was the 8th coach taken which is in the realm of realistic among all time greats and from a schematic fit it works in most places, with most of the players. An above average coach and good fit.

Forwards:

I really like the first line. Obviously you have the most explosive offensive player ever in WG. Conacher makes for a very good goal scoring presence who will absolutely feast off of Gretzky's vision and passing. Baldy serves as the typical glue guy. An early corner warrior and rough guy he'll be a good physical presence here.

The second line is a bit of a hodgepodge unit. Schriner is a very good 2nd line offensive presence both apt at goal scoring and passing. Novy by my estimation was geared more to goal scoring but had very solid assist numbers in his domestic leagues. Guerin is the hustle and grind here but again more of a goal scorer. Much more goal scoring prowess here than puck moving and passing but it's not a terrible fit. I think the best thing would be for Sather to really stress Novy be more of a playmaker for his wings here, which isn't out of the realm of realistic.

Really like the 3rd line in a traditional sense. All 3 were noted defensive stalwarts in their day (especially Backstrom). Not much offense but it's a very good defensive 3rd line IMO.

4th line is a bit weird to me. You have a really defensive minded guy in Madden paired with a teammate with more physical presence in Arnott and then a really soft offensive guy in Kovalev. Kovalev to me is either a scoring line guy (low end 2nd) or a spare. Hard to see him in a 4th line role unless you're going with a predominantly scoring minded line, which this really isn't.


Defense:

Overall a weaker unit but not void of fit and some talent.

First pair is pretty weak for the ATD. Conacher is a 2 (higher end), even in a deeper draft IMO. Zubov is a 3. I think the fit is there, with Zubov being the obvious offensive catalyst and Conacher the big hulking stay at home type. I do think this unit will get hurt by big and speedy F groups that can force Conacher to skate and Zubov to be more physical and defensive. When your first 3 picks are Gretzky, Sawchuk and Conacher, the D will end up suffering some. No other way around it.

2nd pair is better. Mortson brings a physical presence and solid defensive skills. Not afraid to go toe to toe with anyone and will rack up the PIMs. I'm a big fan of Dejardins. He's very underrated in an all time sense and a pretty strong #3. Mortson is more of a 4th but higher end in that regard.

3rd pair is solid as well. McNamara is a huge stay at home guy and Mags is a typical 5/6. Nothing stands out either way here.


Goalies:

Sawchuk is one of the greats. He was great value when you got him and given the D corps you have and style of hockey your coach employs he will be needed and valued. On top of that you have one of the best backups in the ATD in CuJo. There is only one other team near you in terms of talent in the net. A very strong point for this team and will give you an edge most nights out. I like it a lot.

Special Teams:

1st unit PP is very strong. Strong point play up top. Maybe missing some big grit down low. This unit should net you some strong PP numbers. 2nd unit is a bit meh for me, with Conacher standing out as a guy who really doesn't belong on the PP.

1st unit PK is decent, but the lack of a true #1 D hurts some here. Obviously Conacher makes great sense but Mortson is a stretch on the 1st unit.


Overall:

A strong entry MB! You have a killer 1st scoring line and really a good (not greatest fit) 2nd line as well from an offensive standpoint. I'm a big fan of the 3rd line as well. 4th line is a weird mix. Possibly look to shore that up a little one way or the other from a style standpoint.

I have questions about the defensive corps as noted above but you did yourself a favor by getting a hellova goal tending duo in Sawchuk and Joseph. This team will score some goals no doubt and lose some games due to leaky defensive play from time to time but up and down a very solid effort in a 32 team draft.
 

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Orlando Solar Bears
Coach: Peter Laviolette
Assistant Coach: Larry Robinson


Toe Blake 'A' -- Mark Messier 'C' -- Marian Hossa
Charlie Simmer -- Henrik Sedin -- Pavel Bure
Patrick Sharp -- Vincent Lecavalier -- Claude Lemieux
Mel Bridgman -- Edgar Laprade -- Paul Henderson
_____ _ ______ Michal Handzus -- Victor Shalimov

Paul Coffey 'A' -- Bill White
Alexander Ragulin -- Eduard Ivanov
Willie Mitchell -- Dan Boyle
Joe Watson

Tiny Thompson
Ron Hextall


PP1: Toe Blake - Mark Messier - Pavel Bure
------------ Dan Boyle - Paul Coffey

PP2: Marian Hossa - Henrik Sedin - Vincent Lecavalier
------------ Eduard Ivanov -- Alex Ragulin

PK1: Mel Bridgman - Edgar Laprade
----- Willie Mitchell - Bill White

PK2:Mark Messier - Marian Hossa
----- Alex Ragulin - Eduard Ivanov

2nd line looks a bit odd to me. Both Bure and Sedin are 2nd liners, but are they going to mesh? Bure, if I'm not mistaken, was a big scorer on the rush. Sedin, on the other hand, generates most of his offense down low on the cycle.
 

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Coaching:

Glen Sather would seem to be a pretty good fit here. Obviously the connection to Gretzky is there but i think there are others that fit his style very well like Conacher, Novy, Kovalev, Zubov, Dejardins most notably. He was the 8th coach taken which is in the realm of realistic among all time greats and from a schematic fit it works in most places, with most of the players. An above average coach and good fit.

Forwards:

I really like the first line. Obviously you have the most explosive offensive player ever in WG. Conacher makes for a very good goal scoring presence who will absolutely feast off of Gretzky's vision and passing. Baldy serves as the typical glue guy. An early corner warrior and rough guy he'll be a good physical presence here.

The second line is a bit of a hodgepodge unit. Schriner is a very good 2nd line offensive presence both apt at goal scoring and passing. Novy by my estimation was geared more to goal scoring but had very solid assist numbers in his domestic leagues. Guerin is the hustle and grind here but again more of a goal scorer. Much more goal scoring prowess here than puck moving and passing but it's not a terrible fit. I think the best thing would be for Sather to really stress Novy be more of a playmaker for his wings here, which isn't out of the realm of realistic.

Really like the 3rd line in a traditional sense. All 3 were noted defensive stalwarts in their day (especially Backstrom). Not much offense but it's a very good defensive 3rd line IMO.

4th line is a bit weird to me. You have a really defensive minded guy in Madden paired with a teammate with more physical presence in Arnott and then a really soft offensive guy in Kovalev. Kovalev to me is either a scoring line guy (low end 2nd) or a spare. Hard to see him in a 4th line role unless you're going with a predominantly scoring minded line, which this really isn't.


Defense:

Overall a weaker unit but not void of fit and some talent.

First pair is pretty weak for the ATD. Conacher is a 2 (higher end), even in a deeper draft IMO. Zubov is a 3. I think the fit is there, with Zubov being the obvious offensive catalyst and Conacher the big hulking stay at home type. I do think this unit will get hurt by big and speedy F groups that can force Conacher to skate and Zubov to be more physical and defensive. When your first 3 picks are Gretzky, Sawchuk and Conacher, the D will end up suffering some. No other way around it.

2nd pair is better. Mortson brings a physical presence and solid defensive skills. Not afraid to go toe to toe with anyone and will rack up the PIMs. I'm a big fan of Dejardins. He's very underrated in an all time sense and a pretty strong #3. Mortson is more of a 4th but higher end in that regard.

3rd pair is solid as well. McNamara is a huge stay at home guy and Mags is a typical 5/6. Nothing stands out either way here.


Goalies:

Sawchuk is one of the greats. He was great value when you got him and given the D corps you have and style of hockey your coach employs he will be needed and valued. On top of that you have one of the best backups in the ATD in CuJo. There is only one other team near you in terms of talent in the net. A very strong point for this team and will give you an edge most nights out. I like it a lot.

Special Teams:

1st unit PP is very strong. Strong point play up top. Maybe missing some big grit down low. This unit should net you some strong PP numbers. 2nd unit is a bit meh for me, with Conacher standing out as a guy who really doesn't belong on the PP.

1st unit PK is decent, but the lack of a true #1 D hurts some here. Obviously Conacher makes great sense but Mortson is a stretch on the 1st unit.


Overall:

A strong entry MB! You have a killer 1st scoring line and really a good (not greatest fit) 2nd line as well from an offensive standpoint. I'm a big fan of the 3rd line as well. 4th line is a weird mix. Possibly look to shore that up a little one way or the other from a style standpoint.

I have questions about the defensive corps as noted above but you did yourself a favor by getting a hellova goal tending duo in Sawchuk and Joseph. This team will score some goals no doubt and lose some games due to leaky defensive play from time to time but up and down a very solid effort in a 32 team draft.

Very much appreciate the lengthy review. :handclap: I'll give you one as well, when I have some more free time on my hands.
 

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GMs: Stoneberg & rmartin65
Coach: Art Ross
Captain: Pulford
Alternate Captains: Mayorov, Howe


Roster
Bobby Hull - Syd Howe(A) - Glenn Anderson
George Hay - Frank Fredrickson - Andy Bathgate
Adam Graves - Walt Tkaczuk - Frank Finnigan
Boris Mayorov(A) - Ivan Hlinka - Brian Rolston

Borje Salming - Harvey Pulford(C)
Jan Suchý - Gary Bergman
Jerry Korab - Vasili Pervukhin

Tom Barrasso
Gerry Cheevers

Spares:
Al MacAdam, W
Art Chapman, C
Kris Letang, D
Normand Rochefort, D


1st PP Unit
Howe - Anderson
Bathgate - Hull
Salming

Salming at the top of the umbrella
Hull & Bathgate on on their "off" wings at either end of the umbrella
Howe collecting pucks and set up down low
Anderson to the front of the net when we have possession


2nd PP Unit
Mayorov - Fredrickson - Graves (net)
Suchý - Hull/Rolston


PK Forwards
Tkaczuk - Finnigan
Rolston - Graves

PK Defensemen
Korab - Pulford
Salming - Bergman
 

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Head Coach: Joel Quenneville
Captain: Nicklas Lidstrom
Assistant Captains: Sidney Crosby, Derian Hatcher

Dickie Moore - Nels Stewart - Phil Watson
Harry Watson - Sidney Crosby (A) - Alexander Maltsev
Craig Ramsay - Fleming Mackell - Danny Gare
Jaroslav Jirik - Harry Westwick - Bob Nystrom

Nicklas Lidstrom (C) - Larry Murphy
Derian Hatcher (A) - Frank Patrick
Al Iafrate - Jamie Macoun

Roy Worters
John Ross Roach


PP1: Nicklas Lidstrom - Larry Murphy - Dickie Moore - Sidney Crosby - Nels Stewart (net presence)
PP2: Al Iafrate - Frank Patrick - Jaroslav Jirik - Phil Watson - Alex Maltsev

PK1: Nicklas Lidstrom - Derian Hatcher - Fleming Mackell - Craig Ramsay
PK2: Larry Murphy - Jamie Macoun - Harry Westwick - Phil Watson

Extra: Neal Broten, Andre Dupont, Vsevolod Bobrov
 

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Cyborg Yzerman's Whalers

Bryan Trottier
Mike Bossy
Marcel Pronovost
Rob Blake
Jean Retelle
Bernie Parent
Rod Gilbert
Clark Gillies
Adam Foote
Mike Peca
Tommy Ivan
Dino Ciccarelli
Paul Reinhart
Ken Morrow
Yvon Lambert
Vic Hadfield
Kris Draper
Ron Stackhouse
Kevin Dineen
Mike Liut
Ed Jovanovski
Chris Drury
Danny Briere
Bruce Boudreau
Tomas Vokoun

GM - Cyborg Yzerman
Head Coach - Tommy Ivan
Assistant Coach - Bruce Boudreau
Team Captain: Peca
Assistant Captain: Trottier
Assistant Captain: Blake

Gillies - Trottier - Bossy
Hadfield - Ratelle - Gilbert
Lambert - Peca - Ciccarelli
Drury - Draper - Dineen
Briere

Foote-Blake
Pronovost-Morrow
Reinhart- Stackhouse
Jovanovski

Parent
Liut
Vokoun

PP1
Gillies-Trottier-Bossy
Pronovost-Blake

PP2
Ciccarelli-Ratelle-Gilbert
Reinhart-Stackhouse

PK1
Peca-Drury
Foote-Morrow

PK2
Draper-Gilbert
Pronovost-Blake
 

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Coach: Mike Babcock
Captain: Dave Keon
Alternate: Ray Bourque
Alternate: Dave Poulin

Bun Cook - Sergei Fedorov - Gordie Drillon
Vincent Damphousse - Dave Keon - Peter Bondra
Dean Prentice - Dave Poulin - Harry Broadbent
Simon Gagne - Rick Macleish - Rick Vaive

Spares: Hakan Loob, Marc Savard, Saku Koivu

Kevin Lowe - Ray Bourque
Brian Leetch - Carl Brewer
Daryl Sydor - Robert Svehla

Spare: Francois Beauchemin

Tim Thomas
J-S Giguere

PP1
Bun Cook - Sergei Fedorov - Gordie Drillon
Brian Leetch - Ray Bourque

PP2
Vincent Damphousse - Dave Keon - Harry Broadbent
Brian Leetch - Peter Bondra

PK1
Dave Keon - Peter Bondra
Kevin Lowe - Ray Bourque

PK2
Sergei Fedorov - Dave Poulin
Brian Leetch - Carl Brewer
 

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Coach: Fred Shero
Captain: Bobby Clarke
Alternates: Rod Brind'amour, Sprague Cleghorn

Cy Denneny - Bobby Clarke (C) - Joe Mullen
Patrick Marleau - Rod Brind'amour (A) - Vladimir Martinec
Bob Pulford - Marty Walsh - Harry Oliver
Albert Kerr - Nicklas Backstrom - John McKenzie
Mike Ridley, Joe Pavelski

Sprague Cleghorn (A) - Ott Heller
Duncan Keith - Leo Reise, Jr.
Frantisek Tikal - Sandis Ozolinsh
Doug Barkley, Dave Babych

Frank Brimsek
Glenn Resch

PP1: Denneny - Clarke - Martinec - Cleghorn - Ozolinsh
PP2: Marleau - Backstrom - Walsh** - Keith - Ozolinsh*

*likely split some time with Heller, Ozolinsh will likely play 1:30-1:45 of each PP. sometimes full 2 minutes
**normally plays C, but on the PP he will be asked to drive to the front of the net, cause havoc there and score on rebounds

PK1: Pulford - Clarke - Cleghorn - Heller
PK2: Walsh - Brind'amour - Keith - Reise Jr.

PP subs: Brind'amour, Oliver, Pavelski, McKenzie, Heller
PK subs: Marleau, Pavelski, McKenzie, Tikal




This is my first one so it won't be as disectful as most but I try to chip in a word or two.



Coaching and Leadership

Clarke is one of the best leaders around and you surrounded him with reasonable alternates, not the best but good enough when you have him as your main captain.

Fred Shero is a tough nut to crack and definitely hard to disect but on Shero/Clarke alone he is a good coach. I think he fits reasonably well with your team and I think he is always going to be a good ATD coach unless you are going a with a team filled with 120lbs players.


First Line:

This is probably one of my favourite lines in the draft, mostly because what it brings to the table without sacrificing offense. Clarke is phenomenal leader (not many I would give the C to ahead of him, if any) with two-way playmaking that brings a no fear kind of approach to his game and puts maximum effort into absolutely everything. He is not a pure goalscorer so you backed him up with solid all around players with goalscoring prowess.

While Clarke surely could stand up for himself without a problem he still played with players who were physical and fearless which I think Denneny brings to the table on top of absolute top notch goal scoring so I think they are good fits together.

Mullen is a kind of odd one in a sense that he is perhaps not a role player like Denneny on this line but he is a good all around two-way player but given the fact that it has been stated that he was good with the puck in difficult areas of the ice suggests that he is good in corners, i.e. digging out pucks, defending it and try do something with it. He is also brings good net pressence and goalscoring too for that matter. Bobby Clarke is a player who is phenomenal at everything, but in an all time sense I think he needs good supporting cast that takes some of the work load off of him (even if that extra work load was what probably made him the player he was).

Second Line:

This line would be kind of a funky one if you were rating it alone. Brind'Amour is a player that works both as a second line center bringing two-way play and being used to play big minutes, but he could also work as a third liner if you are going for the checking line type of deal. He is probably one of the best faceoff men around which makes him a huge asset for any team, especially with the players you have placed him with who I don't feel have much game breaking ability without the puck sadly. I never considered Marleau a two-way threat in a sense that I would pick him for his two-way ability but I guess it's icing on the cake (no pun intended). That being said, I am not 100% sure what makes Marleau and Martinec good line partners. Not in a sense that they can't play together, I think they absolutely will offensively with their speed and what not but I feel that they are tautological, but at the same time they are both getting powerplay time, on different lines to boot so I think it should be fine. Offensively I am not 100% sure they could keep up with all second lines this year but with Brind'Amours faceoff skills at least you should start with the puck most of the time.

Third Line:

I am not 100% familiar with all 3 players but so far by the looks of it you are not going with the traditional 1-2 punch followed by a third line checking unit which is nice to see. At least the 3 first lines bring good two-way play while providing solid offense. So in a sense all 3 lines are reasonably similar in a way they bring speed, good offense and high compete level on top of very good two-way play. So in a way it looks like the lines are layered so that line 2 gets 20% less ice time while being 20% less good (random numbers) and stagnate downwards with every line, positively of course, with mostly only losing offense.


Fourth Line:

Very good line for a 4th line to be honest. Your other lines are competent enough all around which gave you more freedom for this line bringing in a playmaker, a goalscorer and an agitator. Bäckström is ridicilously underrated in today's NHL. By the end of his career I think he will end up as a 2nd line playmaker center if one decides to go with a full throttle (ho-ho-ho) offensive line.

While some of the players on this line have gotten pat on their shoulders for their defensive game, I really don't think it's quite that good but it does mean that they are at least not a black hole defensively with could be a nice freebie on the 4th line.

I'm going to assume that Kerr has a good one timer since he has gotten so rave reviews as a goal scorer that Bäckström can feed him the pucks nicely from all areas of the ice, through tight spaces and what not. McKenzie brings physicality and protect his line mates.



First Pairing:

Two very good defensemen on your first pairing, both being very good two-way defensemen while Cleghorn being more offensively responsible and Heller being a more defensively responsible player on this pairing while potentially bringing offense when needed. Both Clarke and Cleghorn are good at end to end rushes but they can probably work well together in a sense that they are never going to get pushed over and both are very physical so they can protect each other when one of the two gets a chane to rush over with the puck after playing in their own zone.


Second Pairing:

Duncan Keith was a player I was going to pick with one of my 3 picks in round 7/8 but both him and Weber were picked way earlier this year. I think the recent jumps are warranted, especially in Keith's case with his 2 norrises and his 2 cups. Not to mention his 2 olympic golds (he played really well in the 2010 olympics). Picking him this early probably locks him in on the second pairing. Shea Weber could potentially get away with being on the third pairing while getting PP time but that's not related to you or your team so let's leave it at that. :)

Reise is a good partner for Keith in a sense that he is more responsible defensively than Keith (who is more offensive minded I guess) and plays well in his own zone both defensively and offensively in a way that he can get the puck and make that first pass.

Third Pairing:

Considering what you had already picked at this point you are getting good value on the bottom pairing. Average pairing in my opinion but Ozolinsh is getting first unit PP time so you get good value on him. The big question is, is Tikal defensively sound enough to carry this line defensively?


Goaltending:

Good starter where you got him. Was your backup picked in a sense that if Brimsek is on LTIR will he be good enough to cover for him long term or was he picked because he won a cup as a backup? ;-)



Overall:


In general I think this team is probably one of my favourites. Definitely not the most offensive team in the draft since you built it around two-way players throughout the draft - you could potentially have been more adventurous in some fashion. At least most players are very competent. There are no holes in the team really except for perhaps my question regarding the second line.

Either way, without a doubt, they will not be run over - if anything, they are the ones that will be running other teams over.

You could potentially have had more defensive dmen instead of a buttload of two-way dmen, not saying it's a bad thing but it might've opened up more possibilities throughout the draft.

Your special teams are fine with your team but you should put Heller on the second PP really - there were probably other, more defensively competent options out there if you don't wanna use Heller both defensively and offensively.

Overall you have drafted very well in a sense you get good value and have solid core pieces that are easy and most of all good to build with.
 
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