ATD 2014 Draft Thread II

[Dreakmur]

Stastny brings little to zero defence, but that is indeed a great 1-2-3 group at C.

There is quite a bit of anecdotal evidence that he does bring defense.

 

[VanIslander]

There is quite a bit of anecdotal evidence that he does bring defense.

Stastny was prototypical Czechoslovakian: he hustled and backchecked. I remember him generating turnovers for transition from his own end in international competition.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Stastny was prototypical Czechoslovakian: he hustled and backchecked. I remember him generating turnovers for transition from his own end in international competition.

And it's not like he'll be facing hard minutes anyways, the Mikita line and the other two should be able to shoulder the load.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Swamp Devils pick

Grant Fuhr, G

• Hart Voting Record: 2nd (to Mario Lemieux in 1987-88) and 6th (1st among goaltenders 1995-96)
• Vezina Voting Record: 1, 2, 3, 3, 5, 6, 6, 6
• Played the NHL All Star Game 1982, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989.
• Starter at the 1984 and 1987 Canada Cups - named All-Star goalie of the 1987 Canada Cup

Grant Fuhr's save percentages tended to be well above league average through January, when the Oilers locked up their playoff position in a league where 16 of 21 teams made the playoffs. They basically coasted through the final few months of the season, and Fuhr (and his backup) showed significantly worse numbers from Feb-April. Fuhr's numbers would then regularly be among the best in the league in the playoffs.

Source: http://brodeurisafraud.blogspot.com/2012/01/grant-fuhr-and-effort.html

For now, here is a player poll conducted by The Pittsburgh Press January 21, 1990 with 123 NHL players responding:

Question: Who would you want as your goalie to stop an opponent's breakaway with 30 seconds left and the score tied in the seventh game of the Stanley Cup final?

Name|Team|Votes
Grant Fuhr|Oilers|40
Patrick Roy|Canadiens|17
Darren Puppa|Sabres|11
Mike Vernon|Flames|11
Mike Liut/John Vanbiesbrouck||8

Profile with a stupid number of quotes calling Fuhr the best in the world in the mid-late 80s: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=59433869&postcount=65

 

[Leaf Lander]

Could everyone come online mow so we can all draft

 

[Leaf Lander]

Swamp Devils pick

Grant Fuhr, G

• Hart Voting Record: 2nd (to Mario Lemieux in 1987-88) and 6th (1st among goaltenders 1995-96)
• Vezina Voting Record: 1, 2, 3, 3, 5, 6, 6, 6
• Played the NHL All Star Game 1982, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989.
• Starter at the 1984 and 1987 Canada Cups - named All-Star goalie of the 1987 Canada Cup

Grant Fuhr's save percentages tended to be well above league average through January, when the Oilers locked up their playoff position in a league where 16 of 21 teams made the playoffs. They basically coasted through the final few months of the season, and Fuhr (and his backup) showed significantly worse numbers from Feb-April. Fuhr's numbers would then regularly be among the best in the league in the playoffs.

Source: http://brodeurisafraud.blogspot.com/2012/01/grant-fuhr-and-effort.html



Profile with a stupid number of quotes calling Fuhr the best in the world in the mid-late 80s: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=59433869&postcount=65

He was better then his numbers and he knew how to win!!

 

[BenchBrawl]

Montreal will add to their 2nd line by selecting Paul Thompson , LW.

 

[Dwight]

Swamp Devils pick

Grant Fuhr, G

• Hart Voting Record: 2nd (to Mario Lemieux in 1987-88) and 6th (1st among goaltenders 1995-96)
• Vezina Voting Record: 1, 2, 3, 3, 5, 6, 6, 6
• Played the NHL All Star Game 1982, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989.
• Starter at the 1984 and 1987 Canada Cups - named All-Star goalie of the 1987 Canada Cup

Grant Fuhr's save percentages tended to be well above league average through January, when the Oilers locked up their playoff position in a league where 16 of 21 teams made the playoffs. They basically coasted through the final few months of the season, and Fuhr (and his backup) showed significantly worse numbers from Feb-April. Fuhr's numbers would then regularly be among the best in the league in the playoffs.

Source: http://brodeurisafraud.blogspot.com/2012/01/grant-fuhr-and-effort.html



Profile with a stupid number of quotes calling Fuhr the best in the world in the mid-late 80s: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=59433869&postcount=65

Ugh, what the Hell, man? I could've sworn you already had a goalie, and that Fuhr was mine to pick at 245

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Ugh, what the Hell, man? I could've sworn you already had a goalie, and that Fuhr was mine to pick at 245

Nope I was set to take him at 244.

 

[Dwight]

Nope I was set to take him at 244.

Well damn, I grossly miscalculated. How many of us are still sans goalie?

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Montreal will add to their 2nd line by selecting Paul Thompson , LW.

Great pick; he could be a lower tier first liner. I strongly considered him

Ugh, what the Hell, man? I could've sworn you already had a goalie, and that Fuhr was mine to pick at 245

Nope I was set to take him at 244.

Sorry guys. I hated taking a goalie now (looked LONG and hard at two wingers, one of whom was Thompson). Decided I couldn't wait when I realized that every team that didn't have a goalie yet picked twice before my next pick.

 

[Rob Scuderi]

Two really good picks, I think they were both the best left at their positions. If I could have found information about Thompson's checking game I would taken him when I took Elias.

 

[King Forsberg]

With pick #241, Modo welcomes Jacques Lemaire, C

-Eight time Stanley Cup Champion (1968, '69, '71, '73, '76, '77, '78 & '79)
-Tied with Guy Lafleur for most playoff points in the 1970s.
-Four times Top 5 in NHL Playoff points (1st: 1979, 3rd: 1977, 4th: 1973, 5th: 1971)
-Three times Top 5 in NHL Playoff assists (3rd: 1979, 4th: 1973, '77)
-Three times Top 5 in NHL Playoff goals (1st: 1979, 3rd: 1968, 5th: 1977)
-Three time top 10 in NHL points (4th: 1978, 5th: 1973, 10th: 1972)
-Once top 10 in NHL assists (6th: 1978)
-Once top 10 in NHL goals (4th: 1973)
-Named best all-round player of the 1970s by Ultimate Hockey.​

Shutt had the fastest hands and quickest release around. Lafleur played purely by instinct and reflex; there was no telling where he’d go. Jacques Lemaire was the dependable and reliable one who did the heavy lifting. He won the faceoffs, dug the puck out of the scrums and fed his more spectacular linemates with unerring passes that they converted in record-setting numbers.

In the playoffs, Lemaire didn’t take a backseat to anyone. One of the NHL’s all-time greatest “money players”, he has three overtime goals to his credit, among them the Cup winner in 1977.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=43629337&postcount=63


Very surprised Lemaire was still here at 241. His two way play and clutch play will more than welcomed on my squad. Even though he got to play with Guy Lafluer, his playoff numbers are light years better than some guys drafted rounds ago.

 

[King Forsberg]

Reds has been PMd

 

[Dreakmur]

Great pick; he could be a lower tier first liner. I strongly considered him

If he could play right wing, I may have taken him over Foyston. Good pick.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

What's the deal with Lemaire barely killing penalties in Montreal? Did they just have grunts who could do it instead? Great third line center at even strength here

 

[King Forsberg]

What's the deal with Lemaire barely killing penalties in Montreal? Did they just have grunts who could do it instead? Great third line center at even strength here

Ha I wouldn't call them "grunts" per say even at the ATD level. EDIT. Forgot Gainey was drafted. Yeah he obviously was one of guys the Habs turned to on the PK
(Someone with your knowledge knows who I'm speaking of) But based on my memory you're pretty much correct. Lemaire was by far the best center on the team and way too valuable to waste on the PK. Plus the guys that did it were pretty good at it. He's one of a select few out there, like Larionov, who was a very good two way center just wasn't used on the penalty kill. There's several other names I'm thinking of but they haven't been drafted yet.

 

[tony d]

Well gang it's now time to review Day 21 of the 2014 ATD, a day where we saw 13 picks made which is a good # to get.

Some thoughts on today's picks

-The first pick of the day was a name I looked at when I went for Suter. Decided to go for Suter's offensive game over Hitchman's more defensive game.

-As I said earlier I looked at Larionov strongly when I picked Hawerchuk. Still the opportunity to get a guy like Hawerchuk should never be passed up. Still Larionov is a very good player and relatively speaking resilient beast got a steal in him.

-Good to see Rod Gilbert picked. Have always liked him and picked him last year, very solid player for a lot of years with the Rangers

-Defensive specialists where picked today in Carbonneau and Lemaire. I prefer to build my teams line by line but always good to get a Guy Carbonneau or Jacques Lemaire on your team.

-To clue off let me just say Grant Fuhr is a tremendous pick. He was the best goalie available and had I known he would last this long I might have waited to pick a goalie. Guy always seemed to get it done.

-Also good to see a lineup advice thread created. I'll wait until my next picks are done before I post my roster but those are good things to have.

-Also to address the earlier debate over criticism of picks; I welcome healthy criticism. Quite often when I pick a player I'll look back over old threads to see the consensus on him. I usually don't base my selections on that entirely but it's always good to know that the player you pick will be met with the approval of your fellow GM's.

Well gang in closing we are now in Week 4 of the 2014 ATD and on Pick 242, so we're averaging a little over 11 picks a day, great to see the speed at which the picks are being made and the quality of the picks. Hopefully the next week will be just as interesting as the previous 3.

 

[Reds4Life]

Red Wings select Alexander Yakushev, LW.

Big Yak is another favorite player of mine

Next GM has been PM'd.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Red Wings select Alexander Yakushev, LW.

Big Yak is another favorite player of mine

Next GM has been PM'd.

Solid. Is he as good (or better) as/than Paul Thompson? Maybe

 

[Sturminator]

Two really good picks, I think they were both the best left at their positions. If I could have found information about Thompson's checking game I would taken him when I took Elias.

Unfortunately, guys like Paul Thompson and Joe Malone seem to get dinged by Google archives because they had common names. Thompson is maybe the hardest individual in the draft to search for as a player because of his name, the fact that he also coached, had a brother in the hall of fame, and shares a name with a current member of the Penguins organization. It's like a perfect storm of crappy query results.

 

[ImporterExporter]

I like the Fuhr pick as well. He's a guy who gets blasted due to "poor" numbers but in reality he played the majority of his career in the most explosive offensive era and also on a run and gun team that left him on an island often.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Swamp Devils pick

Grant Fuhr, G

• Hart Voting Record: 2nd (to Mario Lemieux in 1987-88) and 6th (1st among goaltenders 1995-96)
• Vezina Voting Record: 1, 2, 3, 3, 5, 6, 6, 6
• Played the NHL All Star Game 1982, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989.
• Starter at the 1984 and 1987 Canada Cups - named All-Star goalie of the 1987 Canada Cup

Grant Fuhr's save percentages tended to be well above league average through January, when the Oilers locked up their playoff position in a league where 16 of 21 teams made the playoffs. They basically coasted through the final few months of the season, and Fuhr (and his backup) showed significantly worse numbers from Feb-April. Fuhr's numbers would then regularly be among the best in the league in the playoffs.

Source: http://brodeurisafraud.blogspot.com/2012/01/grant-fuhr-and-effort.html



Profile with a stupid number of quotes calling Fuhr the best in the world in the mid-late 80s: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=59433869&postcount=65

A lot of this info is in one place in my bio that I had made:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=43807039&postcount=72

Fuhr was definitely considered the best goaltender in the world for a while there..

 

[VanIslander]

I watched him throughout his career and thought him sometimes clutch but often less than three contemporaries undrafted (and all three sure to be ATD backups). He certainly let in soft goals regularly, but also amazed at times. I have spent decades comparing him to one volcanic undrafted! I had second thoughts when I saw him take St. Louis on his back and really become a workhorse goalie, playing some of the best games of his career with the Blues.

He's a bargain basement ATD starter in a smaller ATD as this, given, what? four teams don't have starters?

I see ONE or at most two (really one in my books, but two arguably) equivalent undrafteds. In a 28-team ATD there will be at least 56 goalies seeing significant regular season ice time. Guys like Fuhr should have quality backups given how often he was pulled. I loved him personally, but to compare him to Tretiak or Roy is laughable. Seriously, it was laughable!

 

[markrander87]

Unfortunately, guys like Paul Thompson and Joe Malone seem to get dinged by Google archives because they had common names. Thompson is maybe the hardest individual in the draft to search for as a player because of his name, the fact that he also coached, had a brother in the hall of fame, and shares a name with a current member of the Penguins organization. It's like a perfect storm of crappy query results.

Lirl