TheDevilMadeMe
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Traditionally all teams in the ATD make the playoffs. Should this continue?
If "no" wins, we'll discuss the options.
If "no" wins, we'll discuss the options.
For me, it would depent entirely on the set-up. In a 4 team division, there's no way 2 teams can miss.
A set-up where we have 6 team divisions with 4 making the play-offs would be a good idea.... but then we'd need to either cut or increase the teams. Since people were talking about dropping to 28 teams, that would work with 4 divisions of 7 and 16 teams making the play-offs.
I'm voting "no", but only under certain conditions.
I think it's unfair that you don't have at least one match-up after all the work required to complete a team.
I think it's unfair that you don't have at least one match-up after all the work required to complete a team.
I think it really skews the draft because it makes it so a future hall of famer like Joe Thornton is essentially a liability, while inferior players like Marty Barry and Claude Lemieux are great picks. If playoffs were not guaranteed, players could not be judged solely on their playoff performance, which is largely what happens.
With four team divisions, we could have a divisional debate thread before regular season voting which would allow all GMs to stand up for their team and find out the criticisms of their team.
It needs to be stressed that players should be judged only based on their regular season records in the regular season.
I think it also needs to be stressed that players in the playoffs should still be judged mostly on their regular season records, with a slight bump up or down based on their playoff performances.
the first part should be a rule, the second part is entirely subjective. If one wants to say Johan Franzen is far superior to Ray Whitney because it's now the playoffs, who can stop them?
This point is stressed every single drafts, and I believe it's still remain a problem every single time.
Reen & 70's has a point and now I believe everyone has to make some kind of playoffs. Could a good compromise be to separate playoffs for the 'best of the rest' (4th places team), like a relegation round (without relegation of course)? Most teams that will finish last will probably be GM's with less experience (knock on wood) and if they really like learning about the game of hockey they will see this as a good opportunity to better their skills, and as 70's said: ''The playoff matchup is also where you get your most detailed criticism so that you know what to do better next time.''
I think I have suggested a "B-side" in the past as well.
It needs to be stressed that players should be judged only based on their regular season records in the regular season.
I think it also needs to be stressed that players in the playoffs should still be judged mostly on their regular season records, with a slight bump up or down based on their playoff performances.
the first part should be a rule, the second part is entirely subjective. If one wants to say Johan Franzen is far superior to Ray Whitney because it's now the playoffs, who can stop them?
Given that most players have a small sample size for post season, regular season play should always be the key factor in a players value. And yet, still one hot streak in the playoffs gets players massively overrated. And yet no one wants to do anything to correct this problem in the ATD.
Given that most players have a small sample size for post season, regular season play should always be the key factor in a players value. And yet, still one hot streak in the playoffs gets players massively overrated. And yet no one wants to do anything to correct this problem in the ATD.
I do! But what can any one person do, besides make a good case for why a player's regular season resume is a much better example of what you'll get in the playoffs, than their playoff record? Like I said, in the end, people will still think what they think.
I don't think players get judged based only on what they did in the playoffs anymore. Look at the last two goalies to win the draft - Tony Esposito and Tiny Thompson. 1 Cup as a starter and a lot of playoff chokes between them.
In addition to Tiny Thompson, the last playoff winner featured Moose Johnson, Pat Lafontaine, and Alexander Mogilny prominently - none of them with much of a playoff record (and in Mogilny's case, a fairly poor one).
You are forgetting about Johnson's important role with the Dynasty Wanderers.
As the person who kind of mentioned the format of a situation where not all teams make the playoffs, obviously I'm a big fan. We need a system where people are rated properly in the regular season, as Nalyd said.
The only possible downside I see to not everyone making the playoffs is more conservative drafting, leading to lesser "diamonds in the rough" being found (although at this point I think we've got a pretty goo handle on this as far as ATD guys go).
You can vote to have teams miss the playoffs. If playoffs are not guaranteed, strong regular season performers have a marked increase in value.
Anyone else who feels they learned from getting beaten badly in the first round, please comment too. I just have fond and clear memories of ATD 2010 for obvious reasons.
Anyone else who feels they learned from getting beaten badly in the first round, please comment too. I just have fond and clear memories of ATD 2010 for obvious reasons.
I love the idea of a new playoff format to keep things fresh, but I'm not sure if the potential cost is worth it (I haven't voted yet).
At first I was going to say "good point!" but this is a fail unless it is accompanied by a shift in how people view players. If people are voting based on some sort of a "mix" of regular season and playoffs in the regular season, then you aren't creating the incentive for guys to get better regular season players.
We have been seeing a slow shift in this, but the problem has always been, what's the point, teams with Dionne, Selanne, Thronton etc... are more likely to win the division, but winning the division is a hollow act under the current system. And if we implement a regular season debate, then that would even increase the ability for GMs to emphasize their teams ability in a regular season environment. And if division champs get a bye and last place gets eliminated, it creates an incentive to do well in that section. And the debate also ensures that every GM gets a fair chance to fight for their team, which is the main point of having every team make the playoffs.