Arizona (Phoenix) Coyotes 1996-2024

[King Woodballs]

They were around twice as long as the original jets and given thousand more chances to succeed.
Yet couldn’t.
I do feel bad for the fans. But this should have ended 15 years ago already.

How many owners need to come and go before one realizes the market isn’t what they thought it was.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

They were around twice as long as the original jets and given thousand more chances to succeed.
Yet couldn’t.
I do feel bad for the fans. But this should have ended 15 years ago already.

How many owners need to come and go before one realizes the market isn’t what they thought it was.

So rather than blaming the owners for failing to put forth a competitive product, you blame the market for not wanting to pay to watch a poor product?

 

[Svechhammer]

So rather than blaming the owners for failing to put forth a competitive product, you blame the market for not wanting to pay to watch a poor product?

It's like th exact same bullshit people said about Raleigh before Dundon took over.

People won't pay to watch a shit product. If you are a cheap owner who only cares about making it to the cap floor to squeeze as much profit as you can while slashing costs, the fans aren't going to show up. But if you play the game and commit toward putting a competitive product out there, they will buy in and the venues will be packed.

Mereulo was solidly in the cutting costs to maximize profit realm as an owner. The fact that the league had to get involved this month to force him to pay his team's outstanding hotel bills for all away games this season screams of being a cheap ass shit owner.

 

[Dr Pepper]

They were around twice as long as the original jets and given thousand more chances to succeed.
Yet couldn’t.
I do feel bad for the fans. But this should have ended 15 years ago already.

How many owners need to come and go before one realizes the market isn’t what they thought it was.

I still wouldn't be too quick to blame "the market", seeing as how they're moving to a smaller one.

Incompetent ownership is what did the Coyotes in.......time and time again.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

That 2012 Coyotes team that made it to the WCF...man they were such a fun team to root for.

Were they? All I remember was that that was an all time boring conference final. 4 boring ass teams playing boring ass hockey. My team was one of them so no offense to anyone.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Has the league even officially said ANYTHING on the team relocating? I know the "insiders" all say it's a done deal and that's the general consensus but the absolute silence from the NHL front office is a bit puzzling. Are they waiting until the season ends tonight, or what?

When Atlanta moved, when Hartford moved, when did the league confirm it?

With Atlanta and especially Hartford, the league had a lot more lead time to craft a response. Atlanta happened fast at the end, but IIRC the pieces were falling into place by January, and Bettman was working to control the narrative through that process as the ownership group had kind of hijacked the franchise by that point.

From the outside looking in, the Coyotes seemed to press the relocation button more quickly. It doesn’t feel like the league really had a good spin to put on this one, they realized Meruelo wasn’t paying bills again and the union was getting involved, and they finally told him to pull the plug.

My guess is they’ll wait till the formal vote and sweep this season under the rug as hard as they can, focusing the narrative on Utah to avoid having to talk about the mess Meruelo left.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Maybe we get a cap bump?

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

If the fans filled the arena from the start of the season then they wouldnt be moving. Too little too late.

 

[syz]

If the fans filled the arena from the start of the season then they wouldnt be moving. Too little too late.

They didn't even need to fill the arena. If the Coyotes had an arena at all they wouldn't be moving.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

If the fans filled the arena from the start of the season then they wouldnt be moving. Too little too late.

This is a really dumb take.

 

[orby]

I always loved the Kachina jerseys. Unique and cool.

 

[HisIceness]

I always loved the howling coyote logo

 

[tarheelhockey]

Maybe we get a cap bump?

I think fans and players alike will be surprised how small of a difference this makes on the cap, after decades of complaining about it.

 

[Dr Pepper]

If the fans filled the arena from the start of the season then they wouldnt be moving. Too little too late.

I mean.....they did, but when that arena is just so gosh darned tiny, it doesn't really feel as impressive, y'know?

 

[Voight]

Bettmans hubris is probably why they stuck around as long as they did, while I feel for anyone that loses their cities team it was time for all the drama and BS to end.

 

[King Woodballs]

So rather than blaming the owners for failing to put forth a competitive product, you blame the market for not wanting to pay to watch a poor product?

I wouldn’t and don’t pay a shit product.
My problem is the shit product was 30 years long with multiple owners.
Not just one bad one. A string of them….

So what’s the problem at that point?

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

People talk about the move to Glendale like it's in the middle of nowhere, it's 20 minutes from downtown. Do you think if Calgary moved from the Saddledome to Bowness they'd struggle to attract fans?

 

[NYRfan85]

That 2012 Coyotes team that made it to the WCF...man they were such a fun team to root for.

That was a hell of a run the Coyotes had that season. As a Rangers fan, I was really pulling for a Coyotes-Rangers SCF, would have been so much fun.

Watched the first period of the last game last night, and that first goal AZ scored was awesome, glad they sent the fans off with one final win.

 

[Osprey]

The Coyotes may be no more, but Summer Rose is now a moderator, so we can't get rid of her so easily. Apparently, when you strike her down, she comes back more powerful.

 

[Melrose Munch]

As a neutral fan the Oilers postgame thread on their board shitting on the team and their fans is disgusting and makes me happy they haven't come close to a Cup in my lifetime.

Spoiler: mean fans

Post-Game Talk: - “You’re My Favourite Mistake” Oilers tank game 81 to let AZ close this franchise with a W

Gary’s favourite mistake indeed with how many times he has bailed out this useless franchise over the last 28 years (including having the league control it for a time) just to keep this fledgling team in the desert, trying to disprove what everyone said from day 1: hockey will not work in the...

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GDT: - LXXXI | "Closing Time, You Don't Have To Go Home But You Can't Stay Here" | Oilers @ Coyotes | 4.17.24 | 8:00PM | SN

(49-25-6) --vs-- (35-41-5) Game Day: Wednesday April 17th '24 Game Time: 8:00PM Location: Mullet Arena Broadcast: SN ----- Adam Henrique - Connor McDavid - Zach Hyman Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Leon Draisaitl - Warren Foegele Dylan Holloway - Ryan McLeod - Corey Perry Mattias Janmark - Connor...

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Let the Oilers fans know how you feel everyone.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

So strange.

The numbers show that Coyotes had more fans (viewership) than the Panthers, and Kraken. Barely trailing the Hurricanes. Despite a sad shitty tenure.

When I was in Scottsdale, I met so many hardcore die-hard Coyotes fans. We talked a lot about the upcoming draft, Shane Doan, the history of the Jets, and why so many of them were massive Gordie Howe fans,.

TONS of Canadian snowbirds lived there for the hockey season, or retired there.


But its a logistics nightmare for transportations and commutes. As long as the Phoenix Suns weren't willing to share their arena downtown, the Coyotes were pretty much dead.


I'm not too sad though. I hate the idea of hockey in the desert or the sunbelt. It's as stupid as Surfing in the prairies.

 

[Realgud]

The 2012 run was amazing. One of my favourite memory as a hockey fan.

 

[tarheelhockey]

People talk about the move to Glendale like it's in the middle of nowhere, it's 20 minutes from downtown. Do you think if Calgary moved from the Saddledome to Bowness they'd struggle to attract fans?

I’m not a Phoenix guy but as I understand it, downtown doesn’t mean much in that city. Kind of like an Atlanta.

The problem was the core of the ticket-buying fanbase is on the other side of downtown, so they were driving more like an hour-plus each way.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I’m not a Phoenix guy but as I understand it, downtown doesn’t mean much in that city. Kind of like an Atlanta.

The problem was the core of the ticket-buying fanbase is on the other side of downtown, so they were driving more like an hour-plus each way.

Cheers, never quite knew how the dynamic worked there

 

[Perfect_Drug]

I’m not a Phoenix guy but as I understand it, downtown doesn’t mean much in that city. Kind of like an Atlanta.

The problem was the core of the ticket-buying fanbase is on the other side of downtown, so they were driving more like an hour-plus each way.

That checks out.

I think all the fans are in Scottsdale?

And its a massive sprawling wasteland. There's no public transportation. You just sit in a freeway that resembles a parking lot for 2 hours every rush hour.



I recall wanting to catch a cheap game when I was down there, but yeah, wasn't gonna happen with the traffic.