Quid Pro Clowe
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They last won 105 years ago with much fewer teams than what sj has to contend with.
This is a bad comparison.
This is a bad comparison.
The narrative I want to push? And what narrative is that? I didn't say I completely agreed with him, although I don't think the comparison is within the realm of absurdity. I just wanted to pose the question and see what other people thought of the comparison and whether it was a fair one.
Sadly enough, the Sharks are arguably becoming "that" team in the NHL
That narrative.
It's not based on fact. It's based on short term instant gratification fandom.
Based on facts? Whether someone thinks the comparison between the Sharks and the Cubs are warranted or even fair need not always be based on facts, but feelings, opinions, and conjecture. That's what makes these discussions interesting. You can lay out your case using all the facts you think support your argument, however, there are almost always counter-facts. I'm not saying that you were wrong in any of your facts, however, when you say that the comparison is "absurd", there are people that would disagree with you on that.
20+ years and counting and no Stanley Cup, not even a Finals to speak of given the Shark's level of talent year after year? Yep, that's pretty short term instant gratification fandom right there. Personally, I don't think there's a curse, just a complete lack of a killer instinct, the desire to cut someone's heart out and show it to them kind of motivation. Unless there's a major change in team culture, I don't see a Cup in their immediate future, which is unfortunate because there's no fan base that deserves a championship more than this one. You may think that the Cubs comparison is "absurd" now, but how about after another 5 more years of futility? 10 more years? 25+ years? How long would it take you to change your mind?
Based on facts? Whether someone thinks the comparison between the Sharks and the Cubs are warranted or even fair need not always be based on facts, but feelings, opinions, and conjecture. That's what makes these discussions interesting. You can lay out your case using all the facts you think support your argument, however, there are almost always counter-facts. I'm not saying that you were wrong in any of your facts, however, when you say that the comparison is "absurd", there are people that would disagree with you on that.
20+ years and counting and no Stanley Cup, not even a Finals to speak of given the Shark's level of talent year after year? Yep, that's pretty short term instant gratification fandom right there. Personally, I don't think there's a curse, just a complete lack of a killer instinct, the desire to cut someone's heart out and show it to them kind of motivation. Unless there's a major change in team culture, I don't see a Cup in their immediate future, which is unfortunate because there's no fan base that deserves a championship more than this one. You may think that the Cubs comparison is "absurd" now, but how about after another 5 more years of futility? 10 more years? 25+ years? How long would it take you to change your mind?
Yes, but look at the talent level of the Cubs during those periods and look at the talent level of the Sharks, there's not much comparison there. I think there should be a distinction between pure futility versus a function of expectation and actual results. The Cubs just haven't had the players it takes to even EXPECT that they'd win or even come close to a championship.
Sure if they don't win in a century...
The Sharks aren't even the most cursed team in hockey. I mean, hell, the Blues made the finals their first three seasons, got swept in all three (this was back when there were only 3 rounds in the playoffs), and haven't been since. They've only made the conference finals twice since then. And there are other teams who've had it basically as rough. Why doesn't anyone talk about the Winnipeg/Phoenix Franchise that has made the conference finals once in their history?
Not even close......The Kings waited 43 years.....Think about that. Wasn't Chicago's Cup-less streak at 47 years in 2010 ?
Think about this, the NYI haven't won a post season series in two decades.
No, the Cubs actually won Championships before becoming a joke.
Back on topic, I would objectively parallel the Sharks to the Raptors.
1. Both teams have/had players who are/were their respective faces. Concurrently with the Sharks is Joe Thornton and in the past for the Raptors was Vince Carter.
2. Both teams originally emerged as expansion teams in the 1990s for their respective leagues. Sharks in 1991-1992 NHL season, Raptors in 1995-1996 NBA season.
3. Both teams have yet to appear in their respective leagues' championship final round.
Before I get accused of "trolling" this time around, I did more fact-checking. You're welcome.