These are grown men, playing a contact sport. Im sure they love to spout the clowe narrative of how he sticks up for us, but he stop being a wuss. put the body on people and play the game.
Do I think clowe should be traded? probably not, he is at an all time low in value. I dont think GMs will overvalue him in this environment anymore. even then, the team is clicking and for whatever reason couture and havlat are doing a lot of damage on their own.
We are rolling four lines for the first time in a long time. clowe is one of my favorite players, but i am ready for him to step up and start playing a disciplined game. burrows was in the box once last night, yet he pissed our whole team off. it can be done.
So far this season, Kassian is a top 6 forward. He's skating w/ the Sedin's (effectively I might add) and is 4th on Canucks in ESTOI among forwards.
I get what you're saying about Clowe but this was a good player to take off the ice for 5 minutes.
As for the rest of his melt down...well that's a different story.
So? The Canucks are missing Kesler and Booth, they have to shove someone into the top-6 that wouldn't be there otherwise. Unless you're trying to tell me that Mason Raymond is also a top-6 forward.
Yeah, I suppose a Kassian-Clowe swap was good for us, considering it meant that Clowe would be off the ice for five minutes. Addition by subtraction and all that.
I dunno. Clowe needs to show up on the scoreboard.
heh, I think in this case, Kassian has been producing, and he plays in front of the net a lot. I thought it was a good swap at the time, and I still do. but everything clowe did after that was pretty dumb.
No, I agree. Kassian has been playing well (although he was invisible last night), and I'm okay with Clowe taking him off.
FTR, I want to see Clowe traded, but I 1) doubt there's a trade out there that would benefit us. I've seen some things on the Trade Forum that I'd be okay with, but obviously those people are not GM's, and 2) DW would never move Clowe. We know they're trying to re-sign him.
You watch your mouth. They could be GM's if they really wanted. They would rather just troll the HF boards though.
No, I agree. Kassian has been playing well (although he was invisible last night), and I'm okay with Clowe taking him off.
FTR, I want to see Clowe traded, but I 1) doubt there's a trade out there that would benefit us. I've seen some things on the Trade Forum that I'd be okay with, but obviously those people are not GM's, and 2) DW would never move Clowe. We know they're trying to re-sign him.
I dunno. Clowe needs to show up on the scoreboard.
Seriously. Right now he just looks like a good 3rd line grinder.
So? The Canucks are missing Kesler and Booth, they have to shove someone into the top-6 that wouldn't be there otherwise. Unless you're trying to tell me that Mason Raymond is also a top-6 forward.
Clowe had two assissts tonight and was all over the place (yes including in the penalty box), and thats how you know he was involved in the game. If Clowe did nothing then he wouldn't be doing his job. Keep it up Clowe Dog!
I think she meant Kassian as a Top-6 forward in the same sense that yes, Mason Raymond is currently a Top-6 forward. It doesn't matter what their actual skill is, currently they are in the Top-6 depth wise for Vancouver. Softens the blow a little since it was a Top-6 for Top-6 swap, but I still didn't like it. You shouldn't fight someone when you're up by 2, it'll just give the opposition momentum.
That is a very valid argument and yes, that's the point I was trying to make when I said "Kassian is skating as a top 6 forward so far this season".
Clowe was angry from the opening faceoff last night and he's been frustrated with his start - it completely boiled over during the game. While it was sort of entertaining to watch as a hockey fan, as a Sharks fan, I didn't much like it either.
yeah, 3 assists in 5 games is terrible for a 2nd line player!