Any coaching strategy to hold the Pens to under 3 goals?
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nhindian
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Forfeit?!?
Then you'd only lose 1-0.
A forfeit goes down as a 7-1 loss in our beer league.
Eh, the Capitals are...
I mean really, MAF is a starter on a lot of teams, but he is the Pens back-up
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Luigi Lemieux
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Scary thing is the caps and jackets are the #1 and #2 defensive teams in the league, and the pens offense is slicing through them like it's nothing.
Ogrezilla
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yep, you need a Jones or Vasilevsky to come stand on their heads. Man those guys were good last year. Granted, so was Holtby.
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SlapJack
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Oh yeah, that series. That wasn't just a sweep, that was the ultimate sweep. Pens never had the lead in any game. About as common for a pitcher to throw a perfect game, and for it to happen outside the circumstance of a 1 vs 8 seed from 20 years ago is almost unheard of.
Pens under Bylsma never could go to that level needed to win the cup. Sully is far superior at game situations and trust me, he would have never allowed Shero to bring in slow cumbersome players at the trade deadline that year. In fact it would have been the opposite.
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wgknestrick
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PIT only likes to take high danger shots (SH% focus vs #SH focus). The key is to dedicate removing this area away from them, only giving the perimeter shots. You can easily notice PIT's D taking very few shots from the point and preferring to move it down into the corners to set up a high danger shot, or only going for tips. A high danger shot is worth 3x as many point shots. PIT feels comfortable that they can create enough HD shots to make up for the lost opportunity of the 3% SH% point shots. Again, if you pass up 3 point shots, but can create 1 HD shot out of those, you are effectively 1% more likely to score. What if PIT converts 2 or 3 of those into HD shots?
PIT will be glad to award you the relatively meaningless corsi battle when most of their shots have a 10% chance of going in, vs your 5-6% shots. IMO, you are better to play a passive system focused on severely limiting their crease shots and between the dots shots. PIT does not play a corsi focused attack very well and will become frustrated once you eliminate their bread and butter. Just understand that you are going to be playing in your zone more than you'd like.
Even with having one of the worst FF% and ShotsFor% in the playoffs, they are still #1 overall in scoring chance / 60min at 9.5. If you give up 9.5 scoring chances per game to PIT, they are going to convert a very high % of them with their talent. Again, the stats support my analysis. Yes, they can PDO (by design) their way to the finals. There is absolutely nothing that states PDO regresses to 100. Get that **** out of your head.
PIT will be glad to award you the relatively meaningless corsi battle when most of their shots have a 10% chance of going in, vs your 5-6% shots. IMO, you are better to play a passive system focused on severely limiting their crease shots and between the dots shots. PIT does not play a corsi focused attack very well and will become frustrated once you eliminate their bread and butter. Just understand that you are going to be playing in your zone more than you'd like.
Even with having one of the worst FF% and ShotsFor% in the playoffs, they are still #1 overall in scoring chance / 60min at 9.5. If you give up 9.5 scoring chances per game to PIT, they are going to convert a very high % of them with their talent. Again, the stats support my analysis. Yes, they can PDO (by design) their way to the finals. There is absolutely nothing that states PDO regresses to 100. Get that **** out of your head.
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Ogrezilla
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except for 2009
but point taken. And they won it that year using MT's system.
Pens under Bylsma's system is the real key. The guy did a good job to motivate a team playing mostly Therrien's system. The more it became Bylsma's team, the worse it got.
They play 'defense quick' to a tee.They want you to take low precentage shots all day,they just want to get the puck back so they can go on the attack again 
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Hem them in their own end? Like the capitals have done?
No.
To beat the pens you gotta counterpunch. Try to flatten them or push them into a corner and eventually they're gonna slip behind you and score. And score. And score. Let them make the mistakes. Don't push so hard you make your own, which teams that push as hard as they can inevitably do.
You try to keep them hemmed in and eventually a pinching dman is gonna misplay the puck and give up an odd man rush. A turnover is gonna give someone just enough time and space to make a play. You're gonna forget Kessel is kessel for five seconds and give him an open shot from somewhere around one of the circles and he's gonna bury it.
Your game has to be tight as **** and then youll be able to take advantage of their defense not being tight as ****. If you wanna beat the pens right now you can't try to force openings, that gives them too many openings. Be patient and the pens WILL give you chances. Try to force those chances too much and they'll flip it around on you.
No.
To beat the pens you gotta counterpunch. Try to flatten them or push them into a corner and eventually they're gonna slip behind you and score. And score. And score. Let them make the mistakes. Don't push so hard you make your own, which teams that push as hard as they can inevitably do.
You try to keep them hemmed in and eventually a pinching dman is gonna misplay the puck and give up an odd man rush. A turnover is gonna give someone just enough time and space to make a play. You're gonna forget Kessel is kessel for five seconds and give him an open shot from somewhere around one of the circles and he's gonna bury it.
Your game has to be tight as **** and then youll be able to take advantage of their defense not being tight as ****. If you wanna beat the pens right now you can't try to force openings, that gives them too many openings. Be patient and the pens WILL give you chances. Try to force those chances too much and they'll flip it around on you.
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radapex
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That really came down to Bylsma being a failure of a coach though. The only true success he's had as a top level coach came by playing a different coach's system (he didn't want to institute his system mid-season in 2009, so they continued playing Therrien's just with a little more emphasis on offense).
Mr Jiggyfly
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From our point of view, it was very enjoyable indeed.
May have been enjoyable, but the Hawks exposed the Bruins in the cup so that was enjoyable as well. Hawks had too much skill and speed for the Bruins to handle, which is how the Pens are currently built.
The 2013 Pens team was slow and it was a major concern many Pens fans expressed after the deadline when they got even slower.
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From our point of view, it was very enjoyable indeed.
Bruins were humming that year after their near defeat to Toronto - which was also awesome, thanks btw
Was the best Cup final in I don't know how long. 2 really good teams at the top of their game playing each other for all the marbles. Great hockey.
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Exposed? That series was 80 seconds away from going 7 and all the games were close.
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Nope not today.
I wouldnt say that. Pittsburgh is just making the most of the chances they have got and CBJ and now the Caps really havent.
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The Hawks were all over the Bruins and Rask saved them again and again. In the two games the Bruins won... game two the Hawks had a 20-4 edge in shots in the first period and got screwed on the disallowed Hossa goal... in game three Hossa sat out and that was a huge loss for the Hawks.
The Hawks then put the Bruins out of their misery and reeled off three straight.
The Hawks carried the play for the majority of the series and clowned Chara, who was out there for like 6 of the last seven goal scored in the series and finished a -6 in those three straight losses. He simply couldn't handle the Hawks speed and skill and looked hilarious trying to keep up.
