Player Discussion Anton Slepyshev back to the nhl?

[Aerrol]

Under developed 1st over picks?

You mean Yak? The guy that is heading back to Russia, after multiple teams, and chances to carve out a career.

Dam Oilers.

Yak and RNH. RNH has been terribly underdeveloped and is only now starting to look close to as good as he was in his rookie season offensively. 2/4 first overall picks we've failed to turn into 1OA level players. 1/4 we've failed to even turn into a top 6 player.

Meanwhile good organizations turn their late firsts into NHL-level players at a similar rate. It's pretty pathetic how bad the Oilers have been.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Under developed 1st over picks?

You mean Yak? The guy that is heading back to Russia, after multiple teams, and chances to carve out a career.


Dam Oilers.

The best player the Oilers have drafted and developed outside the top 10 in the last decade was traded for a 3rd line center last summer.

 

[GMofOilers]

Yak and RNH. RNH has been terribly underdeveloped and is only now starting to look close to as good as he was in his rookie season offensively. 2/4 first overall picks we've failed to turn into 1OA level players. 1/4 we've failed to even turn into a top 6 player.

Meanwhile good organizations turn their late firsts into NHL-level players at a similar rate. It's pretty pathetic how bad the Oilers have been.

Like how we developed Drai vs Bennet.

Incredibly dumb on the Oilers.

Or how about Eberle 22nd compared to Yakupov 1st. Playing at the same time frame. Them Oilers sure are bad. LOL

You dont even make sense.

Maybe its the players that should be held a little more accountable.

 

[Aerrol]

Like how we developed Drai vs Bennet.

Incredibly dumb on the Oilers.

Or how about Eberle 22nd compared to Yakupov 1st. Playing at the same time frame. Them Oilers sure are bad. LOL

You dont even make sense.

Maybe its the players that should be held a little more accountable.

Wow, we have one first round pick play above his expected development. He even peaked 2 seasons in and then stagnated playing for us! What amazing development!

It's kind of astounding that you can ignore the Oilers long history of failure after failure after failure in drafting and development. There's a literal decade of evidence - we're the worst organization in the NHL at development, with only Buffalo coming close.

 

[GMofOilers]

We should have 100 team NHL because there is no way every NHL prospect every year shouldnt be in the NHL

LOL

 

[Tobias Kahun]

The best player the Oilers have drafted and developed outside the top 10 in the last decade was traded for a 3rd line center last summer.

and that 3rd line center was as good in this years playoffs as eberle was in last years.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

and that 3rd line center was as good in this years playoffs as eberle was in last years.

And yet one player had a great regular season and the other had a very mediocre one.

Eberle > Strome, all day, every day.

But man that cap space put in some work, didn't it? Warmed the bench the entire season.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Like how we developed Drai vs Bennet.

Incredibly dumb on the Oilers.

Or how about Eberle 22nd compared to Yakupov 1st. Playing at the same time frame. Them Oilers sure are bad. LOL

You dont even make sense.

Maybe its the players that should be held a little more accountable.

You're a fan of this org all this time and you figure its players, not the org that is responsible for the mess that is in?

That's lol astounding. If that's still your view after decades of org incompetence its clear nothing changes it and that you'll always be blaming the players.


No wonder your user name is GM of Oilers, Kevin.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Wow, we have one first round pick play above his expected development. He even peaked 2 seasons in and then stagnated playing for us! What amazing development!

It's kind of astounding that you can ignore the Oilers long history of failure after failure after failure in drafting and development. There's a literal decade of evidence - we're the worst organization in the NHL at development, with only Buffalo coming close.

Its unfathomable somebody could even take that position. Obviously an immutable and subjective view.

 

[joestevens29]

Yak and RNH. RNH has been terribly underdeveloped and is only now starting to look close to as good as he was in his rookie season offensively. 2/4 first overall picks we've failed to turn into 1OA level players. 1/4 we've failed to even turn into a top 6 player.

Meanwhile good organizations turn their late firsts into NHL-level players at a similar rate. It's pretty pathetic how bad the Oilers have been.

Did any of the guys that were suppose to go 1st those years actually turn out to be 1OA players?

 

[GMofOilers]

You're a fan of this org all this time and you figure its players, not the org that is responsible for the mess that is in?

That's lol astounding. If that's still your view after decades of org incompetence its clear nothing changes it and that you'll always be blaming the players.


No wonder your user name is GM of Oilers, Kevin.

I remember how Deboer was so much better then TM as a coach because he took a Sharks team to the final. Then the next year, TM out coached Deboer in the first round and knocked that Stanley Cup final team in the first round. This year Deboer failed to make it fast the 2nd round. Hes such a great coach, meanwhile TM under achieved his time with the Sharks.

HF oil logic.

As long as we keep trying to make this organization look bad, we are accomplishing the hfoil theme.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I remember how Deboer was so much better then TM as a coach because he took a Sharks team to the final. Then the next year, TM out coached Deboer in the first round and knocked that Stanley Cup final team in the first round. This year Deboer failed to make it fast the 2nd round. Hes such a great coach, meanwhile TM under achieved his time with the Sharks.

HF oil logic.

As long as we keep trying to make this organization look bad, we are accomplishing the hfoil theme.

The Oilers make the organization look bad with terrible trades, awful signings, and a complete inability to draft and develop properly. Not to mention hiring organizational retreads and people other organizations would never look at.

The best thing you can say about the Oilers is they continue to fill the arena and even that might be a stretch.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I remember how Deboer was so much better then TM as a coach because he took a Sharks team to the final. Then the next year, TM out coached Deboer in the first round and knocked that Stanley Cup final team in the first round. This year Deboer failed to make it fast the 2nd round. Hes such a great coach, meanwhile TM under achieved his time with the Sharks.

HF oil logic.

As long as we keep trying to make this organization look bad, we are accomplishing the hfoil theme.

Deboer is a solid coach and got a pretty good season out of the Sharks what with the transition out of Marleau and ultimately Thornton, for decades their best player and unavailable due to injury this whole time. Sharks incase you missed it are doing an on the fly rebuild. They still made the playoffs and made the 2nd round. You think that's a failure for where the club was expected to be at this season? By many observations here Sharks weren't expected to make the playoffs this season, you probably even said that at beginning of season, and Deboer got a lot out of that club.

In hockey when you face a goalie like Fleury that is hitting it out of the ballpark night after night its often unstoppable. This is reminiscent of Patrick Roy runs in the playoffs, or John Vanbiesbrouk. Sometimes it just happens, teams run into a hot goalie and hockey results are very influenced like that. Like they were with Talbot leading the Oilers club last season.

The Oilers org makes it self look bad. Time after time, decade after decade.

 

[GMofOilers]

Deboer is a solid coach and got a pretty good season out of the Sharks what with the transition out of Marleau and ultimately Thornton, for decades their best player and unavailable due to injury this whole time. Sharks incase you missed it are doing an on the fly rebuild. They still made the playoffs and made the 2nd round. You think that's a failure for where the club was expected to be at this season? By many observations here Sharks weren't expected to make the playoffs this season, you probably even said that at beginning of season, and Deboer got a lot out of that club.

In hockey when you face a goalie like Fleury that is hitting it out of the ballpark night after night its often unstoppable. This is reminiscent of Patrick Roy runs in the playoffs, or John Vanbiesbrouk. Sometimes it just happens, teams run into a hot goalie and hockey results are very influenced like that. Like they were with Talbot leading the Oilers club last season.

The Oilers org makes it self look bad. Time after time, decade after decade.

They made the Cup final 2 years ago, yes the last 2 years have been disappointing.

 

[Drivesaitl]

They made the Cup final 2 years ago, yes the last 2 years have been disappointing.

Last season multiple players including Thornton were injured and/or playing injured. That made the difference last season. A healthy Sharks club probably gets by the Oilers. I think the Knights this season have all the mojo and a pretty formidable opponent. Knights are a hot club. This happens all the time. They're on a roll. Sharks, due to rebuild, don't have the same depth to stop that kind of roll. So many players on the Sharks are still developing players.

 

[MessierII]

Last season multiple players including Thornton were injured and/or playing injured. That made the difference last season. A healthy Sharks club probably gets by the Oilers. I think the Knights this season have all the mojo and a pretty formidable opponent. Knights are a hot club. This happens all the time. They're on a roll. Sharks, due to rebuild, don't have the same depth to stop that kind of roll. So many players on the Sharks are still developing players.

What core players on the sharks are developing?

Pavelski, Couture, Thornton, Hertl, Vlassic, Burns, Jones are not developing players.

 

[Keggatron]

What core players on the sharks are developing?

Pavelski, Couture, Thornton, Hertl, Vlassic, Burns, Jones are not developing players.

Jesus Christ, if you think this Sharks team is as good or competitive as most of the Sharks teams that TMac coached there's nothing anyone can say to you. The fact is Deboer is getting as much or more out of a far inferior Sharks team than McLellan ever did in his time there with a team that was a perennial cup contender.

 

[McShogun99]

Just look at the entire 1st round of the 2011 draft. The only players I'd take over RNH would be Scheifele and Hamilton.

 

[Aerchon]

Yak and RNH. RNH has been terribly underdeveloped and is only now starting to look close to as good as he was in his rookie season offensively. 2/4 first overall picks we've failed to turn into 1OA level players. 1/4 we've failed to even turn into a top 6 player.

Meanwhile good organizations turn their late firsts into NHL-level players at a similar rate. It's pretty pathetic how bad the Oilers have been.

With RNH skill set and slight build I think most people anticipated him to potentially be a late bloomer.

On a bad team he has been good to great imo. His two way play is very underappreciated by many here. Those that only see points/offense.

Someone above has Eberle > Strome. Strome is twice the player Eberle is defensively. And while I agree Eberle is the better player overall when you factor in how bad he is defensively it's closer than many realize. Eberle took a good team in NYI with a super rookie and Tavares and... made them even worse despite scoring at a torrential pace.

Points are not everything.

 

[Drivesaitl]

What core players on the sharks are developing?

Pavelski, Couture, Thornton, Hertl, Vlassic, Burns, Jones are not developing players.

You can't be serious. Thornton and Marleau at one time were the Sharks best players. With Jumbo the leader as recently as before the injuries started to set in. With the exception of Burns the team is now basically bereft of superstars. Pavelski, Couture are shadows, Hertl finding his game. Vlassic is no star.

Who are the Sharks still developing:

Donskoi, Leblanc, Meier, Sorenson, Tierney, Hertl, Demelo. You don't get good picks when you chronically finish high in the standings for a dozen years. This is the scorched earth that results. Limited depth. Sharks tried to make a project of Kane and we'll see how that goes.

In anycase the Sharks are a shadow of the team they used to be. Heroic efforts of Burns is altering that but frankly without him and solid coaching the Sharks are not even a playoff calibre club.

Pavelski also looks done to me at age 34. He was pretty ordinary all season and couldn't finish anything in the playoffs. One of his two goals was an empty net.

The Sharks are most definitely in a rebuild. Where they currently are is what the Oilers would be like after McD and Draisaitl were not there. You do realize Thornton didn't play at all in the last 4 mths right?

 

[belair]

What does all of this have to do with Anton Slepyshev? We're blaming the team for not playing a guy who averages a goal every 10 games with Leon Draisaitl?

 

[harpoon]

Eberle is the better player overall when you factor in how bad he is defensively it's closer than many realize. Eberle took a good team in NYI with a super rookie and Tavares and... made them even worse despite scoring at a torrential pace.

Ridiculous and uninformed comments from someone who obviously didn’t watch the games.

Four Islander forwards finished the season in plus territory - and again if you’d watched the games you’d know what kind of a feat that is given how awful their goaltending was all season. Eberle was second at +5. He did not ‘make the team worse’ any more than he scored at a ‘torrential pace’. Your entire ‘review’ of his season is faulty.

Eberle’s ‘bad defense’ is so over stated on this site. I recommend actually watching the games instead of just posting the same inaccurate stereotypes you read on the board.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I remember how Deboer was so much better then TM as a coach because he took a Sharks team to the final. Then the next year, TM out coached Deboer in the first round and knocked that Stanley Cup final team in the first round. This year Deboer failed to make it fast the 2nd round. Hes such a great coach, meanwhile TM under achieved his time with the Sharks.

HF oil logic.

As long as we keep trying to make this organization look bad, we are accomplishing the hfoil theme.

Do you not remember how heavily injured the Sharks were. Thornton was playing on an ACL tear for duck sakes.

 

[MessierII]

You can't be serious. Thornton and Marleau at one time were the Sharks best players. With Jumbo the leader as recently as before the injuries started to set in. With the exception of Burns the team is now basically bereft of superstars. Pavelski, Couture are shadows, Hertl finding his game. Vlassic is no star

This is a bizzaro outlook on the sharks situation. Vlassic is defensively as good as it gets in the NHL first off. Anyone who cracks the Canadian Olympic roster is a star. Pavelski and Couture are shadows? Not sure you’ve been watching. This whole outlook is too bizzaro I’m not sure how you’re defending something that’s blatantly false. A team with Burns, Vlassic, Couture, Hertl, Pevelski on it is not rebuilding or developing a ton of young players. San Jose is a win now team. They’re the 5th oldest team in the nhl for goodness sake.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Ridiculous and uninformed comments from someone who obviously didn’t watch the games.

Four Islander forwards finished the season in plus territory - and again if you’d watched the games you’d know what kind of a feat that is given how awful their goaltending was all season. Eberle was second at +5. He did not ‘make the team worse’ any more than he scored at a ‘torrential pace’. Your entire ‘review’ of his season is faulty.

Eberle’s ‘bad defense’ is so over stated on this site. I recommend actually watching the games instead of just posting the same inaccurate stereotypes you read on the board.

Don't worry, we have a ton of good 200 ft forwards.

After all, they never get within 200 ft of the opposing net.