Post-Game Talk: Another game, another loss

[Suxnet]

The Oilers are the Justin Schultz of hockey teams.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

I agree but how can he possibly not know by now what he has? A last place team with ****** defense, unreliable forwards and average goaltending.

I don't think much will happen at the TDL unfortunately. If the roster is largely the same at TC then Chia is honestly just as good as his predecessors.

Chia wanted to evaluate why the team was bad. He had seen players who did bad here to other places and do well.

They wanted to see if the team was bad because they players were simply bad or if the direction they were given was bad or if the players just simply sucked. When a team has been as bad as we have been i don't blame them for wanting to get to the bottom of it. I mean sure we see it as the players just suck but a lot of good players can come here and end up sucking.

 

[Replacement*]

Yeah, the two of them look like they shared a moment together.
I miss the eighties.

I've seen carebears do what these two pro hockey players did..somebody should photoshop some flying hearts..

heh. I still think its nice, but, its nice.....

 

[Husker Du]

I missed where this is another communist 5 year plan.

This org has now missed the playoffs for 10 straight seasons. A record in futility.

Nicholson has been here for it seems like 2 seasons now.

The only *progress* is further socialist benefit in Obtaining McDavid, nurse, and Drai, a past selection fantastically working out great.

Chia should be evaluated on his own selections which other than Talbot haven't been great additions and several downright poor.

Finally, Chias idea of during season improvement is Clendenning. Who should come complete with a laughtrack. Except only Boston Bruins fans are laughing.

Off the top of my head, these are Chia's selections:

Talbot - very good
Nielsen - meh (but he gave up nothing for him)
Gryba (for Marincin) - pretty good
Kassian - clear win
Letestu and Korpi (for Gordon) - Letestu is better but Korpi is a dud
Todd McLellan for Todd Nelson - clear win
Clendenning - meh (he was on waivers for a reason but doesn't cost us anything)
Reinhardt - early returns don't look good, but this needs to be reassessed in a few years
Sekera - very good pickup in FA market

I've probably forgotten a player or two, but the transactions aren't bad overall. They certainly haven't been enough to move the team out of the basement, much more will be required in the offseason.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Off the top of my head, these are Chia's selections:

Talbot - very good
Nielsen - meh (but he gave up nothing for him)
Gryba (for Marincin) - pretty good
Kassian - clear win
Letestu and Korpi (for Gordon) - Letestu is better but Korpi is a dud
Todd McLellan for Todd Nelson - clear win
Clendenning - meh (he was on waivers for a reason but doesn't cost us anything)
Reinhardt - early returns don't look good, but this needs to be reassessed in a few years

I've probably forgotten a player or two, but the transactions aren't bad overall. They certainly haven't been enough to move the team out of the basement, much more will be required in the offseason.

He signed the top of the list ufa d man

 

[Suxnet]

Off the top of my head, these are Chia's selections:

Talbot - very good
Nielsen - meh (but he gave up nothing for him)
Gryba (for Marincin) - pretty good
Kassian - clear win
Letestu and Korpi (for Gordon) - Letestu is better but Korpi is a dud
Todd McLellan for Todd Nelson - clear win
Clendenning - meh (he was on waivers for a reason but doesn't cost us anything)
Reinhardt - early returns don't look good, but this needs to be reassessed in a few years

I've probably forgotten a player or two, but the transactions aren't bad overall. They certainly haven't been enough to move the team out of the basement, much more will be required in the offseason.

How is that a clear win?? And MacT was in on McLellan even before Chiarelli was hired.

 

[doulos]

Forgot about Sekera. Guy has been quite good, particularly when you consider the dumpster fire of defensemen that surround him.

 

[ZJuice]

How is that a clear win?? And MacT was in on McLellan even before Chiarelli was hired.

I'm wondering the same. I still wonder if sticking with rookie Nelson would have been better for the players.

 

[Replacement*]

Off the top of my head, these are Chia's selections:

Talbot - very good
Nielsen - meh (but he gave up nothing for him)
Gryba (for Marincin) - pretty good
Kassian - clear win
Letestu and Korpi (for Gordon) - Letestu is better but Korpi is a dud
Todd McLellan for Todd Nelson - clear win
Clendenning - meh (he was on waivers for a reason but doesn't cost us anything)
Reinhardt - early returns don't look good, but this needs to be reassessed in a few years
Sekera - very good pickup in FA market

I've probably forgotten a player or two, but the transactions aren't bad overall. They certainly haven't been enough to move the team out of the basement, much more will be required in the offseason.

Disagree that McLellan is a clear win. Also, we are playing Letestu as a 3rd line Center. We had option of Roy last year. Last year Roy/Yak worked very well. This year.....

The hires to me that have been helpful are Talbot and Gryba. Most people consider sekera but I consider what we're paying him in assessing whether its a good value addition. We needed a Defensive D, we got Sekera. At considerable pay and longterm. Trouble with Sekera is he isn't adequately filling any particular hole that the team had.

 

[Husker Du]

How is that a clear win?? And MacT was in on McLellan even before Chiarelli was hired.

You don't think McLellan is an upgrade over a .333 winning percentage AHL coach? Team Canada would disagree.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

Maybe it's time to hand the keys back to MacTavish.

We are still recovering from MacT's incompetence. Chia obtained the top defender and top goalie available last year. WTF are you expecting him to do? Conjure a number one dman out of thin air?

It'll take many offseasons to fix the roster. That's what happens when you put an utterly incompetent moron like MacT/Lowe in charge of the team.

 

[Husker Du]

Disagree that McLellan is a clear win. Also, we are playing Letestu as a 3rd line Center. We had option of Roy last year. Last year Roy/Yak worked very well. This year.....

The hires to me that have been helpful are Talbot and Gryba. Most people consider sekera but I consider what we're paying him in assessing whether its a good value addition. We needed a Defensive D, we got Sekera. At considerable pay and longterm. Trouble with Sekera is he isn't adequately filling any particular hole that the team had.

Letestu only started playing 3rd line center after Lander's epic flameout. He was brought in to be 4th line center/ depth guy.

 

[Replacement*]

You don't think McLellan is an upgrade over a .333 winning percentage AHL coach? Team Canada would disagree.

Pat Quinn and Team Canada.

hmmm

Success with Team Canada perhaps have very little to do with who the coach is.

Barney the Bear could coach some Team Canada's

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

We are still recovering from MacT's incompetence. Chia obtained the top defender and top goalie available last year. WTF are you expecting him to do? Conjure a number one dman out of thin air?

It'll take many offseasons to fix the roster. That's what happens when you put an utterly incompetent moron like MacT/Lowe in charge of the team.

I expect this team to not be in last place. But even that was too much to ask.

 

[Suxnet]

You don't think McLellan is an upgrade over a .333 winning percentage AHL coach? Team Canada would disagree.

The Oilers are in 30th place. If it's a win, it's a marginal one at best.

 

[Replacement*]

Letestu only started playing 3rd line center after Lander's epic flameout. He was brought in to be 4th line center/ depth guy.

if you've followed my thoughts on this that the club even thought Lander was a bonafide 3rd liner and banked on that is even more concerning.

They let an established NHL vet known quantity producer in Roy, walk, they assumed Lander was up for this role.

Typical of Org flawed thinking.

ps Not revisiting this either. Its what I was saying at the time that Roy needed to be retained for insurance.

 

[Replacement*]

The Oilers are in 30th place. If it's a win, it's a marginal one at best.

On basis of results how could it be called any worse than a draw?

Would nelson deliver worse than 30th place?

hmmm

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

On basis of results how could it be called any worse than a draw?

Would nelson deliver worse than 30th place?

hmmm

If he had this level of injuries, he'd probably be just as bad or worse.

 

[Soundwave]

I think Nelson was actually a good coach, but the bottom line is this roster is simply too broken to be successful.

Coaching isn't the issue.

We were kinda obligated to get a veteran coach once the McLottery was announced, I mean we could have Nelson now and still be out of the playoffs and then the talk would be "well why don't the Oilers ever hire a proven experienced coach, they could have had Todd McLellan last summer".

 

[Husker Du]

Pat Quinn and Team Canada.

hmmm

Success with Team Canada perhaps have very little to do with who the coach is.

Barney the Bear could coach some Team Canada's

I didn't say anything about having success with team Canada, I said he was selected to be the coach. I would think that the executives who choose the coach give the job to people that they consider good coaches. Has Todd Nelson been chosen yet? Don't get me wrong, I liked Nelson. But let's not wax nostalgic for an AHL coach who brought enthusiasm to the role and is a nice guy, but has had no success coaching in the NHL.

 

[Husker Du]

if you've followed my thoughts on this that the club even thought Lander was a bonafide 3rd liner and banked on that is even more concerning.

They let an established NHL vet known quantity producer in Roy, walk, they assumed Lander was up for this role.

Typical of Org flawed thinking.

ps Not revisiting this either. Its what I was saying at the time that Roy needed to be retained for insurance.

But wasn't Todd Nelson the biggest believer in Lander?

 

[ZJuice]

Nelson was a better fit psychologically for the Oilers. You can only do so much with x's and o's. I question McClellan's power play, Schultzing(possibly Chia's decision?), and his dealings with the referees. Also the effort from our players. And Yeah the refs are extremely horrible and unfair, but screaming your face off at them will only make them worse. Todd M had an excellent team on SJ, and I feel he is being exposed by having this piece of crap team.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Nelson had a .333 winning percentage. How is that good?

 

[ZJuice]

Nelson had a .333 winning percentage. How is that good?

We are a better team this year with an extra 3.3% wins I guess.. Not that we've improved with McDavid, Talbot, Sekera, Gryba or anything while losing Gordon and Roy..

 

[tikkanen]

Scotty Bowman with Al Arbour and Babcock assisting couldn't win with this team of "puss n' boots". When they changed management I expected that they would spend a season evaluating the core group of players. there was so much hype about all the talented first rounders that it was hard to figure out who the problem was. Got a good goalie and addressed that and now it is apparent to everyone what the issue is--whole team sucks including the core guys save about 4 guys. Time to make big changes and reshape this misbegotten thing called a hockey team. Hopefully they will do so sooner rather then later so Klef-Nurse-Macdavid and Drai aren't wasted like all the others were. I will give them one more summer to at least address 5 or 6 of the 10 or 12 poor roster spots. Good player will have to be dealt and if the star forwards are as great as some would have us believe they will be moved to address some other more pressing issues like bad D. Cant have it both ways. D is the problem and the core forwards are very good then you have to move some of them. Cant get worse then last.