Prospect Info: Andrew Mangiapane (6th Round 2015, 166th overall)

[Taranis]

Had he been eligble for this years draft ie born 4 months and 12 days later. Would he have been a 6th rounder still?

I doubt it, given his point totals. I mean he is a little small right now but lots of players take a bit to add muscle and size.

 

[tfong]

I doubt it, given his point totals. I mean he is a little small right now but lots of players take a bit to add muscle and size.

Depends on his frame too.

 

[CraigsList]

Had he been eligble for this years draft ie born 4 months and 12 days later. Would he have been a 6th rounder still?

Nope, not at all. He'd be a late 1st/early 2nd. Anthony Beauvillier of the Islanders (28th OA) is a great example.

 

[DFF]

You know Craig Button is indirectly responsible for our success. He hired his brother, Todd.
So thanks be to Craig.

I am glad Tod has finally figured this scouting thing out.

Tod was here before Craig. The drafting by the Flames from 2000-2010 was pathetic.

If I was that bad at my job, I dont think I get to keep it.

Anyway, all is forgiven, he seems to have done better in the last few drafts.

BTW: there is a reason, Craig is a "journalist" for TSN instead of having a real hockey job.

 

[Calculon]

[nhl]831262[/nhl]

 

[BigRangy]

Just looking at pure counting stats, there doesn't seem to be any reason for this guy to go behind players like konecny/senyshyn etc.

Is Barrie just super stacked or what? I don't remember hearing much about them this year but they had 3 of the league's top scorers.

 

[Johnny GODreau]

Just looking at pure counting stats, there doesn't seem to be any reason for this guy to go behind players like konecny/senyshyn etc.

Is Barrie just super stacked or what? I don't remember hearing much about them this year but they had 3 of the league's top scorers.

It's because this is his 2nd go around at the draft.

 

[tfong]

It's because this is his 2nd go around at the draft.

I don't think it is actually. He wasn't eligible for last year draft, but he is one of the oldest players in this draft.

I think it is because of how he is almost a full year older than other prospects and he played on a pretty offensively heavy Colts team.

 

[Anglesmith]

I don't think it is actually. He wasn't eligible for last year draft, but he is one of the oldest players in this draft.

I think it is because of how he is almost a full year older than other prospects and he played on a pretty offensively heavy Colts team.

Read this article: http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/2014/11/28/diminutive-barrie-colts-forward-putting-up-big-points

Seems pretty clear that it's his second bite at the apple.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

I am glad Tod has finally figured this scouting thing out.

Tod was here before Craig. The drafting by the Flames from 2000-2010 was pathetic.

If I was that bad at my job, I dont think I get to keep it.

Anyway, all is forgiven, he seems to have done better in the last few drafts.

BTW: there is a reason, Craig is a "journalist" for TSN instead of having a real hockey job.

I don't know about the early 00s, but it seemed that Dutter had a heavy hand in the draft when he was GM. I don't think we can strictly blame Button under him.

 

[Anglesmith]

Count me among those who find Mangiapane being so overlooked kind of confusing. First off, while this was his second crack at the draft, he was in the younger half of players last year in his first crack. So there are players who were in their draft year this year who were less than 6 months older than him.

Second off, even if he's viewed as a true overager in this draft, just look at those stats. 108 points in 68 games. That's close to the 2.0 ppg that Sven Baertschi scored in his draft+1 year, and that was considered very good. If we'd taken Mangiapane last draft in the 7th round, people would have seen it as an extremely good pick, looking at it today. So why the lack of interest from the league? Just his size? I think Tyler Johnson is what we should all be hoping for here, and based on that interview, it sounds like he kind of plays that game.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Most likely AS, his and "okay" draft year numbers probably made most scouts pass over him. I really like this pick a whole bunch.

 

[Anglesmith]

Most likely AS, his and "okay" draft year numbers probably made most scouts pass over him. I really like this pick a whole bunch.

His "okay" draft year numbers are typically what you get in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, let alone the 6th.

 

[Lunatik]

Count me among those who find Mangiapane being so overlooked kind of confusing. First off, while this was his second crack at the draft, he was in the younger half of players last year in his first crack. So there are players who were in their draft year this year who were less than 6 months older than him.

Second off, even if he's viewed as a true overager in this draft, just look at those stats. 108 points in 68 games. That's close to the 2.0 ppg that Sven Baertschi scored in his draft+1 year, and that was considered very good. If we'd taken Mangiapane last draft in the 7th round, people would have seen it as an extremely good pick, looking at it today. So why the lack of interest from the league? Just his size? I think Tyler Johnson is what we should all be hoping for here, and based on that interview, it sounds like he kind of plays that game.

He wasn't that close to being 2 ppg, he didn't even crack 1.6 ppg.

I do liek the pick though, when you look at where he was ranked in all the different publications, he went at least 30 spots behind the latest he was expected to go. CSS, Hockey Prospects & Future Considerations had him going top 100 and ISS at 138.

 

[Anglesmith]

He wasn't that close to being 2 ppg, he didn't even crack 1.6 ppg.

Sure, but if 2.0 post-draft is considered excellent for a 14th-overall pick, then 1.6 for a 6th-rounder seems like a home run!

 

[Lunatik]

Sure, but if 2.0 post-draft is considered excellent for a 14th-overall pick, then 1.6 for a 6th-rounder seems like a home run!

It's tough to say because junior stats don't say a whole lot. And honestly looking at the stats in Barrie last year, Magpie & Andersson were 3-4 in scoring but Magpie had 40 more points. And Lemieux, a 2nd round pick last year was 46 points lower. I do find it interesting as well that Magpie, Labanc and Blandisi were the teams three 100 points guys and all 3 are 6th round picks (the other 2 went last year)

And yes, I am calling him Magpie, it was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw his name for the first time.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

His "okay" draft year numbers are typically what you get in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, let alone the 6th.

I agree, but those picks in that range usually have a lot more size. Still though, it's funny he didn't even get picked, at all? But the same thing happened to Garland, posting very similar numbers. Has to be the size.

 

[tfong]

Read this article: http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/2014/11/28/diminutive-barrie-colts-forward-putting-up-big-points

Seems pretty clear that it's his second bite at the apple.

Oh mb, for some reason I thought I was in the Rasmus Andersson thread.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Oh mb, for some reason I thought I was in the Rasmus Andersson thread.

"“I don’t know, to be honest,†Mangiapane said when asked of the reason for his torrid scoring pace over the last month. “I try not to think about stuff point-wise. I try to think more about the two points for the team."

The Anti-DanielSprong

 

[JoeParez]

Andrew is extended family to me (he is my sister in-laws boyfriends first cousin). Treat him well!

Good Luck Andrew!!

 

[Lunatik]

Andrew is extended family to me (he is my sister in-laws boyfriends first cousin). Treat him well!

Good Luck Andrew!!

So you will become a Flames fan like Shaner has?

 

[JoeParez]

So you will become a Flames fan like Shaner has?

Only when you guys play the Oilers and the Canucks.

 

[Lunatik]

Only when you guys play the Oilers and the Canucks.

just not good enough