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You feeling okay? That's literally Zucker/ OEL moneyWell I like the contract
You feeling okay? That's literally Zucker/ OEL moneyWell I like the contract
Neutral fan but you and I both know that in a few years the Sharks are going to be in the sewer standings wise with not much to look forward too.
5 million a season is about double what he should be paid
Zuck and Silf have near identical NHL production (0.52 PPG v 0.50 PPG) in their careers to date and OEL signed his contract nearly 6 years ago, in a much different financial era of the NHL - it's rather dumb to be comparing the two at all. Not to mention on OEL's equivalent of this Silf contract he got 8.25m that kicks in from next season.You feeling okay? That's literally Zucker/ OEL money
Our GM has been behind the bench now, assessing how much damage his drinking buddy Carlyle did, Perry & Kesler suddenly regrew their balls the past two games so quickly after Carlyle is gone. Perry actually looks like the Perry of yesterday these past 2 games, Kesler suddenly has life in his legs again. Fowler & Lindholm suddenly playing much better lately too.I mean the contract ittself is not bad but i don't quite get it for Anaheim in their current position.
... I'd rather get younger and accumulate some draft picks to help move up in the draft this year.
and another team should have. I would have no issue with this deal if we were looking like team capable of 2 or 3 more serious cup runs. but we'll be lucky to get one more in next season before Getz really starts to fall off. And I don't see any of our prospects making a large enough impact to replace Getzlaf. Not to mention the ridiculous log jam at wing we have now and will in the future. This is just another example of Murray being to cautious to actually change this core since he thinks it can still win, but it just can't.
Again, as I said - we're likely not going to be competitive for the next 2-3 years at a minimum (unless you honestly think an aging center core of Getzlaf/Henrique/Kesler/Rowney is actually going to be competitive) so his current age isn't the only thing in play. And yes parts of the roster are young, but one of the most important parts (the center group is among the oldest in the league) which is a massive issue, and is why I don't think signing guy's in their late 20's to long term contracts into their mid 30's right now is the best course of action as we're just not going to be competitive enough to justify it.Just throwing some names in there
Gibson 25
Boyle 26
Fowler 27
Lindholm 25
Manson 27
Montour 25
Larsson 21
Welinski 25
Mahura 20
None of any D on the Ducks is over 30.
Henrique 29
Silfverberg 28
Kase 23
Ritchie 23
Rakell 25
Shore 24
Terry 21
Jones 21
Comtois 20
Spron 21
Steel 21
Sherwood 23
Getzlaf is 33, Kesler is 34 and Perry is 33
I have no clue how young you want to get but imho this roster is quite young overall.
The roster will be even younger next season. Miller won't be back imo, 2mil too much money when they need the cap space & Murray may have pressure to follow a internal budget.Just throwing some names in there
Gibson 25
Boyle 26
Fowler 27
Lindholm 25
Manson 27
Montour 25
Larsson 21
Welinski 25
Mahura 20
None of any D on the Ducks is over 30.
Henrique 29
Silfverberg 28
Kase 23
Ritchie 23
Rakell 25
Shore 24
Terry 21
Jones 21
Comtois 20
Spron 21
Steel 21
Sherwood 23
Getzlaf is 33, Kesler is 34 and Perry is 33
I have no clue how young you want to get but imho this roster is quite young overall.
Again, as I said - we're likely not going to be competitive for the next 2-3 years at a minimum (unless you honestly think an aging center core of Getzlaf/Henrique/Kesler/Rowney is actually going to be competitive) so his current age isn't the only thing in play.
That center group is arguably not even good enough to be competitive to make the playoffs (and certainly wouldn't be if the West wasn't complete ass this year), and certainly nowhere close to be a cup contender. The time Montour/Manson/Kase/Lindholm/Rakell/Ritchie contracts are up - Anaheim are perhaps more likely to be a competitive team (more of a decent playoff team then a contender) hence re-signing them actually would make sense (along with the fact Manson/Kase/Lindholm/Rakell are flat out better players too) if they actually are competitive. If we're not competitive like they are now? Then anything is possible - I'd certainly explore trade options, maybe re-sign a couple of the key players and get assets for the rest of them, if you're not a playoff team by that point there is zero point in retaining the vast majority of a core that can't get the job done.What is competitive in your definition? My personal perspective is aim to go into the playoffs every year. That is the only way to win a cup. Sometimes it sounds like the team has to be on the cup favs lists of everyone and only then they are "competitive". If you have this understanding, well then tanking is the only way. But down the road, if we are not competitive the next 2-3 years what else should we do? Trade Montour, Manson, Kase, Lindholm, Rakell, Ritchie as well? All their contracts are up then and they will ask for contracts putting them in their mid 30s. Especially Lindholm, Manson and Rakell. Should we trade them now that all the players they fetch are ready then?
Thing is, before the Silf extension it was possible Anaheim already had to trade someone for financial reasons in the off-season - now with the extension it's effectively guaranteed they will have to trade someone to make the cap work, and that's not even considering that the owners are supposedly unhappy with the amount of money Anaheim are currently spending which would make a trade even more likely perhaps even more than one trade to get rid of more salary.Only time will tell if this team will be more competitive in 2 or three years. I don't see this as a guarantee. We all don't know how Steel will do over summer, whom the Ducks land, how Shore will look like in fall. With trading Henrique or Silfverberg you hope to get a player of that caliber. Without trading them you have this kind of player already.
This is atrocious. It’s as bad as Bieksa. Murray should have thrown a NMC while he’s at it.
Just throwing some names in there
Gibson 25
Boyle 26
Fowler 27
Lindholm 25
Manson 27
Montour 25
Larsson 21
Welinski 25
Mahura 20
None of any D on the Ducks is over 30.
Henrique 29
Silfverberg 28
Kase 23
Ritchie 23
Rakell 25
Shore 24
Terry 21
Jones 21
Comtois 20
Spron 21
Steel 21
Sherwood 23
Getzlaf is 33, Kesler is 34 and Perry is 33
I have no clue how young you want to get but imho this roster is quite young overall.
Just throwing some names in there
Gibson 25
Boyle 26
Fowler 27
Lindholm 25
Manson 27
Montour 25
Larsson 21
Welinski 25
Mahura 20
None of any D on the Ducks is over 30.
Henrique 29
Silfverberg 28
Kase 23
Ritchie 23
Rakell 25
Shore 24
Terry 21
Jones 21
Comtois 20
Spron 21
Steel 21
Sherwood 23
Getzlaf is 33, Kesler is 34 and Perry is 33
I have no clue how young you want to get but imho this roster is quite young overall.
More term, takes him to age 35 and sure, Bailey did take a hometown discount. The discussion was what players would get in the open market and Bailey definitely is an outlier. And even then, Bailey's contract will only be better if he doesn't slow down with age. Silfverberg's age/term, on the other hand, has almost no risk involved.
If you move it back to include the last 10 seasons, starting when the Sharks went to their first of back to back conference finals and the Ducks missed the playoffs, the Sharks have been marginally better over that stretch.