Proposal: An Extended Pavel Buchnevich to Detroit for 2024 #15 Overall Pick. (STL/DET)
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If you want an extended buch think kasper wallinder and 2024 first. It was two first plus player at trade deadline.
WingsToPick4th
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Deal. I know blues fans love buch but he may be too old for their timeline. Never watched him play, can he play C? how is he defensively?
Memento
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He cannot play center. He had to play center in spot situations where our center depth (Kevin Hayes, who is terrible and Brayden Schenn, who is incapable of playing center) was cratered by ineffectiveness; it's why what Robert Thomas did with this team was so impressive.) was horrible, but he's purely a winger. A very good defensive winger who can play right and left wing equally well, but a winger. He's well-rounded, but I'm trading him because he doesn't fit the timeline.
I love what he's done for the team, but I don't think he fits a retool (Doug Armstrong's words, not mine. Personally, I'd advocate by saying it's a mini-rebuild, but the word isn't what we're using.) as well as, say, Kyrou or Neighbours.
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Im trying to come up with comparable trades similar to buchnevic
29 year year old pure winger who doesnt play C, good defensively and career about 0.8 PPG.
He makes 5.8 for 1 more year, how big of a raise is he due for?
29 year year old pure winger who doesnt play C, good defensively and career about 0.8 PPG.
He makes 5.8 for 1 more year, how big of a raise is he due for?
Memento
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Probably a fair bump. I’ll freely admit that I’m no cap - or trade, for that matter; that’s why I’m asking out Blues fans and Wings fans alike to come up with a fair trade - expert, but he will get a significant raise.
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Buch is one of the better 2 way wingers in the league. He needs to play on a team that’s close to the cup.
Not enough. Blues would need at least someone like Wallinder or Gibson added, I'd think.
Memento
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Detroit should pass for now. The extension he wants is probably not the length of contract that Yzerman would willingly extend him for. He'd be a good pickup at the TDL, though. Probably revisit then.
Blues should keep him. He would be amaxing on dvorskys wing. Need vetts to usher in the future. Extendee buch will cost
SuperScript29
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Good player, but not worth throwing the sink at given he's at the 30 year old mark, and the Wings would prefer a center, not another winger.
norrisnick
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Wallinder is lost in the LD shuffle. He has no future in Detroit. If it tips the scales, by all means take him.
I would much rather trade now and then flip him at the TDL if it doesn't work out, than vice versa. Asset investment is largely the same.
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And think it’s fair to say, as we all said back at the deadline, they should’ve traded him then, if they had any intentions of not giving him a new contract, because his value was only going down from there. 2 guaranteed runs compared to 1.
They can get that 15OA PLUS, but the plus isn’t what it was anymore. If they got Wallinder, a serviceable NHL player, and a future 2nd (if he resigns) that’s probably about the most they can be looking at now. The most.
Thats about TRIPLE what the Sens got for Debrincat last summer, and he’s NOT 3 times the player. Certainly not worth adding another recent Top 10 pick, who’s having a really good first season in NA as a 19 year old in the AHL.
No team is gonna make an offer like you’re suggesting.
Seems like there’s a chance we’re gonna find out who’s right and wrong on this one.
If you get him, now, in what should be a playoff campaign, thinking that you're going to flip him because it didn't work out, is just bad usage of assets. You're better off to have just stood pat. If you are trying to upgrade at a certain position than do that. If Buchnevich is a Fabbri replacement, so be it. But also know that Berggren and Albert Johansson have to be on your roster, next year, because of waiver eligibility. So unless you have particular roster players to trade back in a Buchnevich deal, trading futures is just not a good trade, IMO.
norrisnick
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Sure there are. But cementing an (I'm assuming at least 6-8 year contract) extended Buchnevich makes no sense with how your prospects are lining up over the next couple of years. If you aren't extending him but treating him as a rental, you're still better off doing it at the TDL and knowing what you might have with him and with the rest of your team and what you would need. I just think it's too early for a rental type of trade.
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We don't have any top line wingers coming down the pipe (I would count Berggren, but the organization seems hesitant). I'm perfectly fine signing him to a 6 year deal.
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Or a team that needs one final bump to get over the hill into solid playoff-contender status. Detroit fits that description. Maybe Buffalo aswell with all of their talent, New Jersey if they can also fix their goalie issue in a separate deal. Teams that have picks 10/11 and 15 this draft. If Buch doesn't want to extend with us, not saying it would work, but I'd absolutely at least try to target one of those picks.
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He is a rental, he can't be market as anything more. Also he literally can't sign an extension until July 1st which is after the draft
SoupNazi
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The value isn't the same after the season as at the deadline prior.
With an extension in place as the title suggests it would be more
