Amount of NHLers all time

TheBradyBunch

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I have 2 questions that I can't seem to find the answer to. Any help would be awesome.

1) What percentage of NHLers were Canadian in 1972?
2) How many NHLers have their been, all-time?

Approximations are okay as long as they are based off of some sort of knowledge.

Thanks:handclap:
 

Weztex

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Judging from HockeyReference.com...

1) 379 players took part in the 1971-72 regular season. From those, 356 were born in Canada. It doesn't take nationality in account so guys like Mikita are listed as Europeans. So 93,9% of the players were canadian born. Interesting tidbit; all goalies for that particular season were born in Canada.

2) 5894 skaters and 647 goalies played at least one regular season game in the National Hockey League. That would probably include a handful of players twice like Lester Patrick. You could probably add about 100 players who were only active in the playoffs.
 
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TheDevilMadeMe

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Thanks a ton man, I really really appreciate it. This will be a huge help to me.

Just out of curiosity, what are you using this data for?

I was considering doing a study estimating the size of the talent pool from which the NHL has been drawing over time, and the % of players from Canada in the league at any given time is a key component.

Is that what you are working on? If so, I see no need for me to bother. :)
 

tony d

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6541 players have played in the NHL? That is a lot. It would obviously take a lot of work but it would be neat if someone where to rank them all from 1-6541
 

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and the % of players from Canada in the league at any given time is a key component.

Is that what you are working on? If so, I see no need for me to bother. :)

SEASON | All | Canada | % Canada | USA | % USA | Euro | % Euro
1917-18|45|42| 93.33% |3| 6.67% |0| 0.00%
1918-19|36|35| 97.22% |1| 2.78% |0| 0.00%
1919-20|49|47| 95.92% |2| 4.08% |0| 0.00%
1920-21|48|46| 95.83% |2| 4.17% |0| 0.00%
1921-22|47|46| 97.87% |1| 2.13% |0| 0.00%
1922-23|44|42| 95.45% |2| 4.55% |0| 0.00%
1923-24|54|52| 96.30% |2| 3.70% |0| 0.00%
1924-25|83|79| 95.18% |4| 4.82% |0| 0.00%
1925-26|107|100| 93.46% |7| 6.54% |0| 0.00%
1926-27|150|146| 97.33% |4| 2.67% |0| 0.00%
1927-28|148|145| 97.97% |3| 2.03% |0| 0.00%
1928-29|147|140| 95.24% |7| 4.76% |0| 0.00%
1929-30|159|152| 95.60% |7| 4.40% |0| 0.00%
1930-31|183|172| 93.99% |11| 6.01% |0| 0.00%
1931-32|151|140| 92.72% |11| 7.28% |0| 0.00%
1932-33|171|161| 94.15% |10| 5.85% |0| 0.00%
1933-34|175|163| 93.14% |12| 6.86% |0| 0.00%
1934-35|178|167| 93.82% |11| 6.18% |0| 0.00%
1935-36|170|159| 93.53% |11| 6.47% |0| 0.00%
1936-37|176|160| 90.91% |16| 9.09% |0| 0.00%
1937-38|166|151| 90.96% |15| 9.04% |0| 0.00%
1938-39|155|145| 93.55% |10| 6.45% |0| 0.00%
1939-40|149|139| 93.29% |10| 6.71% |0| 0.00%
1940-41|151|144| 95.36% |7| 4.64% |0| 0.00%
1941-42|160|152| 95.00% |8| 5.00% |0| 0.00%
1942-43|143|138| 96.50% |5| 3.50% |0| 0.00%
1943-44|151|137| 90.73% |14| 9.27% |0| 0.00%
1944-45|132|122| 92.42% |10| 7.58% |0| 0.00%
1945-46|140|136| 97.14% |4| 2.86% |0| 0.00%
1946-47|150|146| 97.33% |4| 2.67% |0| 0.00%
1947-48|153|148| 96.73% |5| 3.27% |0| 0.00%
1948-49|147|142| 96.60% |5| 3.40% |0| 0.00%
1949-50|170|166| 97.65% |4| 2.35% |0| 0.00%
1950-51|170|167| 98.24% |3| 1.76% |0| 0.00%
1951-52|156|153| 98.08% |3| 1.92% |0| 0.00%
1952-53|161|158| 98.14% |3| 1.86% |0| 0.00%
1953-54|154|152| 98.70% |2| 1.30% |0| 0.00%
1954-55|157|155| 98.73% |2| 1.27% |0| 0.00%
1955-56|147|146| 99.32% |1| 0.68% |0| 0.00%
1956-57|150|149| 99.33% |1| 0.67% |0| 0.00%
1957-58|159|155| 97.48% |4| 2.52% |0| 0.00%
1958-59|145|143| 98.62% |2| 1.38% |0| 0.00%
1959-60|155|151| 97.42% |4| 2.58% |0| 0.00%
1960-61|160|155| 96.88% |5| 3.13% |0| 0.00%
1961-62|151|149| 98.68% |2| 1.32% |0| 0.00%
1962-63|155|152| 98.06% |3| 1.94% |0| 0.00%
1963-64|168|165| 98.21% |3| 1.79% |0| 0.00%
1964-65|171|168| 98.25% |2| 1.17% |1| 0.58%
1965-66|184|181| 98.37% |3| 1.63% |0| 0.00%
1966-67|179|176| 98.32% |3| 1.68% |0| 0.00%
1967-68|326|320| 98.16% |6| 1.84% |0| 0.00%
1968-69|329|323| 98.18% |6| 1.82% |0| 0.00%
1969-70|326|316| 96.93% |8| 2.45% |2| 0.61%
1970-71|388|377| 97.16% |10| 2.58% |1| 0.26%
1971-72|382|364| 95.29% |17| 4.45% |1| 0.26%
1972-73|405|384| 94.81% |19| 4.69% |2| 0.49%
1973-74|439|409| 93.17% |25| 5.69% |5| 1.14%
1974-75|503|464| 92.25% |35| 6.96% |4| 0.80%
1975-76|493|455| 92.29% |35| 7.10% |3| 0.61%
1976-77|506|460| 90.91% |40| 7.91% |6| 1.19%
1977-78|511|458| 89.63% |41| 8.02% |12| 2.35%
1978-79|502|436| 86.85% |49| 9.76% |17| 3.39%
1979-80|656|559| 85.21% |71| 10.82% |26| 3.96%
1980-81|641|534| 83.31% |75| 11.70% |32| 4.99%
1981-82|686|563| 82.07% |75| 10.93% |48| 7.00%
1982-83|678|560| 82.60% |67| 9.88% |51| 7.52%
1983-84|693|560| 80.81% |86| 12.41% |47| 6.78%
1984-85|675|524| 77.63% |93| 13.78% |58| 8.59%
1985-86|693|539| 77.78% |99| 14.29% |55| 7.94%
1986-87|688|535| 77.76% |101| 14.68% |52| 7.56%
1987-88|746|581| 77.88% |115| 15.42% |50| 6.70%
1988-89|734|560| 76.29% |113| 15.40% |61| 8.31%
1989-90|730|543| 74.38% |121| 16.58% |66| 9.04%
1990-91|743|549| 73.89% |127| 17.09% |67| 9.02%
1991-92|788|561| 71.19% |146| 18.53% |81| 10.28%
1992-93|789|529| 67.05% |143| 18.12% |117| 14.83%
1993-94|872|574| 65.83% |154| 17.66% |144| 16.51%
1994-95|808|512| 63.37% |149| 18.44% |147| 18.19%
1995-96|857|539| 62.89% |154| 17.97% |164| 19.14%
1996-97|849|533| 62.78% |145| 17.08% |171| 20.14%
1997-98|836|518| 61.96% |140| 16.75% |178| 21.29%
1998-99|902|555| 61.53% |148| 16.41% |199| 22.06%
1999-00|923|535| 57.96% |149| 16.14% |239| 25.89%
2000-01|975|543| 55.69% |149| 15.28% |283| 29.03%
2001-02|966|524| 54.24% |150| 15.53% |292| 30.23%
2002-03|979|544| 55.57% |142| 14.50% |293| 29.93%
2003-04|1012|555| 54.84% |161| 15.91% |296| 29.25%
2005-06|963|518| 53.79% |182| 18.90% |263| 27.31%
2006-07|942|499| 53.15% |182| 19.58% |261| 27.71%
 

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The decline in American players from the 1940s until the 1970s is interesting.

There's an artificial bump in the 1930s when Major McLaughlin with the Black Hawks decided that he wanted to ice an all-American team, or at least an all-American starting five. When you combine his nationalism with the shorter careers of players at the time (plus WWII), it seems that there would be a natural decline.

On the 1937-38 Black Hawks, consider the following:
Vic Heyliger (from Boston) played 7 games, then only saw the NHL again during WWII
Doc Romnes (White Bear Lake, MN) was a regular, but was traded the next year and was out of the league before WWII
Rudy Ahlin (Eveleth, MN) played one NHL game
 

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6541 players have played in the NHL? That is a lot. It would obviously take a lot of work but it would be neat if someone where to rank them all from 1-6541

241 skaters have played only 1 NHL game, and only 15 of them registered a point (with only 3 scoring a goal). 79 goalies only have a single game to their name, with only 9 getting a win (7 of them actually playing a full 60 minutes.

Of course, we can have some fun with this. Among goalies with one game....
Cody Rudkowsky has the most minutes without allowing a goal (30)
Ron Loustel allowed the most goals (10)
Scott Sharples faced the most shots (40, although this data is incomplete)
Sharples also has the most saves (36)
Four goalies (Paul Gauthier, Phil Stein, Joe Turner, and Alex Wood) played the most minutes (70)
Martin Houle has the highest GAA (allowed 1 goal in 2 minutes for a GAA of 30.00)
None has ever taken a penalty during their only game

Among defensemen with a single game (of which there are 90)...
Dean Morton and Brad Fast are the only to score a goal
Eight players have registered an assist
None has ever had a multi-point game
Martti Jarventie and Darrel Anholt have the highest +/- (+2)
Four players have been -2
Jonathan Sigalet and Pat Mayer have the most penalty minutes (4)
Paul Hurley has the most shots on goal (5)
Brad Fast has the most minutes (21)

Among forwards with a single game (149 total)....
Rolly Huard is the only to score a goal
Seven have registered an assist
None has ever had a multi-point game
Ten players have been a +1
Tom Colley and Ron Homenuke have the worst +/- (-3)
Cam Brown and Danny Bois have the most PIMs (7)
Trent Kaese has the most shots on goal (5)
Nazem Kadri has the most minutes (17)
 

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There's an artificial bump in the 1930s when Major McLaughlin with the Black Hawks decided that he wanted to ice an all-American team, or at least an all-American starting five. When you combine his nationalism with the shorter careers of players at the time (plus WWII), it seems that there would be a natural decline.

On the 1937-38 Black Hawks, consider the following:
Vic Heyliger (from Boston) played 7 games, then only saw the NHL again during WWII
Doc Romnes (White Bear Lake, MN) was a regular, but was traded the next year and was out of the league before WWII
Rudy Ahlin (Eveleth, MN) played one NHL game

There were some stars from that era though-Taffy Abel, Frank Brimsek, Mike Karakas. Yet by the mid 1950s there wasn't a single American trained player in the entire league.
 

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There were some stars from that era though-Taffy Abel, Frank Brimsek, Mike Karakas. Yet by the mid 1950s there wasn't a single American trained player in the entire league.

In a sense, it reminds me of what was often said about black quarterbacks. "If you were a black quarterback, you had to be dominant because otherwise they'd switch you to another position." For the Americans in the early days of the NHL, the same thing applied...you had to be dominant because otherwise the teams would just grab a Canadian to fill the spot.

We can throw Sam LoPresti in the mix as well; he filled in admirably for Karakas for two seasons before being drafted into the Navy during WWII. Cecil Dillon was another; he's also the first Ohio-born NHLer.

I think the spike and then decline is based on the following:
- More Americans entered during the NHL expansion period of the 1920s
- Those who could play stuck around through the contraction
- Most were old by the time WWII hit
- The league's contraction to six teams reduced the number of spots available
- There was an anti-American bias to some extent
- The NHL wasn't paying well enough to justify leaving good jobs during the post-WWII time period

The Minnesota natives (Brimsek, Karakas, Romnes) swore that there were plenty of local players just as good or better than they were, but they refused to take a pay cut to play hockey and have to give up farming, mining, or whatever else they did.

If we adjust the qualifications to simply "players who played in more than 25% of the season", we would already see a drop in number of players over the span of the 1930s.

1930-31 - 10 played at least 11 games, 1 played fewer (plus one goalie with 1 game)
1931-32 - 9 played at least 12 games, 1 played fewer.
1932-33 - 10 played at least 12 games, 0 played fewer.
1933-34 - 9 played at least 12 games, 2 played fewer (plus one goalie with 6 games)
1934-35 - 10 played at least 12 games, 1 played fewer.
1935-36 - 9 played at least 12 games, 1 played fewer (plus one goalie with a full season)
1936-37 - 7 played at least 12 games, 9 played fewer (plus one goalie with a full season)
1937-38 - 9 played at least 12 games, 5 played fewer (plus one goalie with a full season)
1938-39 - 7 played at least 12 games, 1 played fewer (plus two goalies with a full season)
1939-40 - 4 played at least 12 games, 4 played fewer (plus two goalies with a full season)
1940-41 - 3 played at least 12 games, 2 played fewer (plus two goalies with a full season)
1941-42 - 2 played at least 12 games, 4 played fewer (plus two goalies with a full season)
 

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1930-31 - 10 played at least 11 games, 1 played fewer (plus one goalie with 1 game)
1931-32 - 9 played at least 12 games, 1 played fewer.
1932-33 - 10 played at least 12 games, 0 played fewer.
1933-34 - 9 played at least 12 games, 2 played fewer (plus one goalie with 6 games)
1934-35 - 10 played at least 12 games, 1 played fewer.
1935-36 - 9 played at least 12 games, 1 played fewer (plus one goalie with a full season)
1936-37 - 7 played at least 12 games, 9 played fewer (plus one goalie with a full season)
1937-38 - 9 played at least 12 games, 5 played fewer (plus one goalie with a full season)
1938-39 - 7 played at least 12 games, 1 played fewer (plus two goalies with a full season)
1939-40 - 4 played at least 12 games, 4 played fewer (plus two goalies with a full season)
1940-41 - 3 played at least 12 games, 2 played fewer (plus two goalies with a full season)
1941-42 - 2 played at least 12 games, 4 played fewer (plus two goalies with a full season)

Strange, considering that during the war the league became so depleted that 16 year olds were being brought in.
 

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Strange, considering that during the war the league became so depleted that 16 year olds were being brought in.

The effects of wartime conscription didn't really hit until 1943 and 1944. I know in the NFL, the number was around 200 players that were in the armed forces in the 1943 season and something like 350 in 1944. Basically, who was eligible for service went from "we need to be selective" in 1941 and 1942 to "we need ANYONE who can do the job, even if we washed them out two years ago" in 1943 and 1944.

Chicago had a guy named Virgil Johnson, who was on Chicago's "All American" team and only had the one year in 1937-38. He went back to the AHA, ended up in the AHL when player shortages started in 1942, and then played the 1943-44 and 1944-45 season with Chicago back in the NHL. Detroit had a 33-year-old defenseman named Rudy Zunich, whose only two NHL games came in 1943-44. They also had a guy named Bernie Ruelle, whose only NHL experience (two games) was during that same year. Boston in 1942 had Irvin Boyd, who hadn't played in the NHL in seven years; he was a teammate of Johnson in the AHA. Detroit had Tony Bukovich, whose only NHL experience came during the war, and so on.

Among the wartime players, the only Americans who did or could have played outside of the war were Cully Dahlstrom, Aldo Palazzari, and Mike Karakas. The rest were a cut below NHL-caliber, and after the war they went back to the local leagues or ended up out of hockey entirely.

In the case of others like Sam LoPresti, they lost too much during the war to be able to make it back to their previous level. In his case specifically, he was on a ship that was torpedoed by a U-boat. The captain of the U-boat checked to see if there were any wounded or dead on the lifeboats, then left the survivors to float. He was at sea for 42 days, lost a ton of weight, and never did physically recover from the ordeal.
 

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